Shafer

[Cusefan69]

Prepared to fake injuries?

Let's be honest, he can *feel* great about vindication or something if he wants. Truth is he wasn't fired for his defensive chops. He was fired for not being up to the full job as HC (poor hiring, meh recruiting, and most especially a really bad OC hire). He showed us what we already knew - he's a great DC. He was fired for things he didn't do yesterday and won't do for that team. He's not up to it.

And he showed his true colors in the process. I was rooting for him in his new role. Not anymore.

What if it was the head coaches strategy to have the players drop with an injury? I'm not saying he did or didn't order the code red, just saying we blamed the other teams head coaches last year, not the coordinators. Seems like he is the focus is all for obvious other reasons....the normal things I saw from Scott yesterday was his usual aggressive but undisciplined defense that overall did a better job of shutting down Cuse, then our defense did to them.

 

[Cusefan69]

It's not against the rules - but it is BS. And we don't know if we'd have won or lost had they not done it. a 7 point game.

It never should have been that close...at least by our way of thinking...this is a bit like blaming the refs for a loss...sorry man...I get it but Cuse should have nailed these guys and slowing the game down a few times cannot be the excuse we hang our hat on...do you think HCDFB blamed the loss on that when talking with his team? I am guessing not...we shouldn't either.

 

[HOFCeluck]

We lost to a CUSA team at home and people are complaining about other team faking injuries.

FFS.

 

[OrangeDW]

We lost to a CUSA team at home and people are complaining about other team faking injuries.

FFS.

It's a legit complaint when you run a no huddle offense.

 

[TheCusian]

I don't think anyone is making Shafer out to be a great guy. We're mocking all the people claiming a moral superiority victory like that counts for anything.

Also if Shafer was lucky to get the job and got put out on his ass after 3 years but came in here with directional U #615 and held Dino's offense to -26 yards offense in the 1st quarter, what does that say about our current staff?

I have a feeling the players and staff just like 99% of those in the prediction thread thought this game was going to be a cake walk. The offense was not well prepared and looked like they never saw a blitz before.

Ok. Look it's not moral superiority. If you're going by the score - we lost. We didn't score more than they did. We didn't stop them from scoring. I haven't been hiding from the awful play. They need to own what they didn't do well and get better. I've been saying it's damn near impossible to say "they stopped our offense fairly" and "SS out coached Dino" with any certainty... and by extension SS smoking a cigar and claiming some sort of victory when his players used a BS tactic that we did not is bush league.

It's tough to tell the team to "take their lumps" when some of it was winning by lying to refs to avoid *actually* stopping them on the field.

What does the first Q it say about our current staff? Same thing we can say about their staff after our D dominated their O in the first half. I was happy with the halftime adjustments as we seemed to move the ball more easily. We had a couple of TO's and lost by 7 driving in for a score.

 

[TheCusian]

We lost to a CUSA team at home and people are complaining about other team faking injuries.

FFS.

It's akin to stealing signs or buying a WF playbook. It has nothing to do with skill, and everything to do with lying to the refs to gain an advantage. It stops drives and robs teams of scoring opportunities.

We should try slipping the FSU players some bad grub so they get sick... I mean they won't mind since we're just lowly Syracuse that they should beat anyways. As long as you're bad enough and your opponents supposed to win - cheat away.

 

[HOFCeluck]

It's akin to stealing signs or buying a WF playbook. It has nothing to do with skill, and everything to do with lying to the refs to gain an advantage. It stops drives and robs teams of scoring opportunities.

We should try slipping the FSU players some bad grub so they get sick... I mean they won't mind since we're just lowly Syracuse that they should beat anyways. As long as you're bad enough and your opponents supposed to win - cheat away.

Food poisonings are akin to faking injuries.

Sweet analogy.

 

[TheCusian]

What if it was the head coaches strategy to have the players drop with an injury? I'm not saying he did or didn't order the code red, just saying we blamed the other teams head coaches last year, not the coordinators. Seems like he is the focus is all for obvious other reasons...the normal things I saw from Scott yesterday was his usual aggressive but undisciplined defense that overall did a better job of shutting down Cuse, then our defense did to them.

That's fair. It's on both of them.

 

[TheCusian]

Food poisonings are akin to faking injuries.

Sweet analogy.

I don't know man. Once you get into crap like that it's a slippery slope. Who decides? Lie to the refs, lie to the conference or the NCAA, pay some refs, food poisoning... I mean it's all cheating.

 

[Ozcuse]

Ok. Look it's not moral superiority. If you're going by the score - we lost. We didn't score more than they did. We didn't stop them from scoring. I haven't been hiding from the awful play. They need to own what they didn't do well and get better. I've been saying it's damn near impossible to say "they stopped our offense fairly" and "SS out coached Dino" with any certainty... and by extension SS smoking a cigar and claiming some sort of victory when his players used a BS tactic that we did not is bush league.

It's tough to tell the team to "take their lumps" when some of it was winning by lying to refs to avoid *actually* stopping them on the field.

What does the first Q it say about our current staff? Same thing we can say about their staff after our D dominated their O in the first half. I was happy with the halftime adjustments as we seemed to move the ball more easily. We had a couple of TO's and lost by 7 driving in for a score.

-26 in the first Q says the O was unprepared for what Shafer would do and he didn't do anything outside the box of his normal scheme. They made adjustments to max protect but we never looked like ourselves. Everyone who predicted our O would destroy Shafer's scheme because he is too aggressive were dead wrong. Players weren't prepared, play calling didn't make sense, and execution was lacking.

 

[HOFCeluck]

I don't know man. Once you get into crap like that it's a slippery slope. Who decides? Lie to the refs, lie to the conference or the NCAA, pay some refs, food poisoning... I mean it's all cheating.

I mean, the NCAA decides. I haven't seen anyone crack down on faking injuries. Till they do, this won't be last you see it.

 

[djorange1989]

We lost to a CUSA team at home and people are complaining about other team faking injuries.

FFS.

That CUSA team has better talent than us at a lot of positions so losing to them shouldn't be unexpected unfortunately. Not until this roster is overhauled do I expect automatic wins against good G6 teams.

 

[bcubs9497]

C'mon, seriously (you know what I mean)?

 

[OrangeDW]

That CUSA team has better talent than us at a lot of positions so losing to them shouldn't be unexpected unfortunately. Not until this roster is overhauled do I expect automatic wins against good G6 teams.

Yeah, we were like 7 point favorites right? It's not like the people who really pay attention to all the teams are shocked by this. As was said many times earlier: no position player draft picks since 2014. It seems we won't have one in 2018 either based on what I see. That's pretty crazy to go a whole entire 4 year cycle without a draft pick. The end of the Marrone tenure and the Shafer era really set us back talent wise. I really hope we see a RB and a home run threat WR emerge this season.

 

[GoSU96]

I swear to god the Shafer people make him out to be mother Theresa because he was blue collar and gave them access.
He could be the best human on the planet Earth but he was not done wrong.
He was lucky to get the job.

We hired the architect's(Marrone) painter to build the house after we lost the architect.

What Shafer people?

 

[djorange1989]

Yeah, we were like 7 point favorites right? It's not like the people who really pay attention to all the teams are shocked by this. As was said many times earlier: no position player draft picks since 2014. It seems we won't have one in 2018 either based on what I see. That's pretty crazy to go a whole entire 4 year cycle without a draft pick. The end of the Marrone tenure and the Shafer era really set us back talent wise. I really hope we see a RB and a home run threat WR emerge this season.

Marrone would have had a solid 2013 class but once he bolted it fell apart, then add in 3 blah Shafer classes and you are dead on, the talent is bottom of the barrel for a P5 program. They need to start playing kids like Pierre and Johnson more, see what they can do

 

[TheCusian]

-26 in the first Q says the O was unprepared for what Shafer would do and he didn't do anything outside the box of his normal scheme. They made adjustments to max protect but we never looked like ourselves. Everyone who predicted our O would destroy Shafer's scheme because he is too aggressive were dead wrong. Players weren't prepared, play calling didn't make sense, and execution was lacking.

Sure. You go into a game thinking X, Y, and Z work and when it doesn't you adjust. I have confidence in the O staff to make those adjustments, unlike under SS.

I think wide open drops were mental, associated with the Shafer stuff.

But yeah, we came up short.

Also - Shafer made adjustments yesterday to actually stop the screen game that he never made here. Good for him. Good coaching.

 

[TheCusian]

I mean, the NCAA decides. I haven't seen anyone crack down on faking injuries. Till they do, this won't be last you see it.

Agreed. Still bush league cheating, IMO.

 

[Ozcuse]

Sure. You go into a game thinking X, Y, and Z work and when it doesn't you adjust. I have confidence in the O staff to make those adjustments, unlike under SS.

I think wide open drops were mental, associated with the Shafer stuff.

But yeah, we came up short.

Also - Shafer made adjustments yesterday to actually stop the screen game that he never made here. Good for him. Good coaching.

From what I remember the screen pass issues were more under Bullough than Shafer. Shafer's D was more aggressive and the secondary was better. Shafer had top 10 and top 20 defenses I don't remember Bullough's ever even being top 40. Some of that could be attributed to the overall SoS though.

 

[TheCusian]

From what I remember the screen pass issues were more under Bullough than Shafer. Shafer's D was more aggressive and the secondary was better. Shafer had top 10 and top 20 defenses I don't remember Bullough's ever even being top 40. Some of that could be attributed to the overall SoS though.

I hear you - but as HC he can fix that. Another reason he's a better DC than HC.

 

[CousCuse]

I hear you - but as HC he can fix that. Another reason he's a better DC than HC.

Maybe you should let this Shafer thing go and focus on CMU next week, it's over man.

 

[TheCusian]

Maybe you should let this Shafer thing go and focus on CMU next week, it's over man.

Nope. It's interesting and he's a part of our history. Get used to it

 

[JLine]

We lost. Should have won. Shaf showed his true colors that many of us overlooked while hoping he would do well here. He didn't. I just feel bad for the kids that carried him off, then he comes for their head.

Deservedly was fired. Acted like a child, which is disrespectful to children actually.

Dino knows what he is doing. I don't think Shaf can spell time management, or recruiting. He's a phony. End of story for me. I'm on to CMU.

Shaf who?

 

[blizz]

From what I remember the screen pass issues were more under Bullough than Shafer. Shafer's D was more aggressive and the secondary was better. Shafer had top 10 and top 20 defenses I don't remember Bullough's ever even being top 40. Some of that could be attributed to the overall SoS though.

Who's this Bullough that you speak of?

 

[SWC75]

him.

Guy was a bad head coach who had some terrible press conferences and even worse in game decisions.

Straight meat head. We owe him nothing.

Coaches who give terrible press conferences should definitely be fired.