Syracuse football not planning any MetLife Stadium games after 2016, according to official (PS)

[TheCusian]

Are you sure you don't work for the SU AD. SU BB made a lot of money for the SUAD that it covered a lot of loss revenue from FB. If the Big East took the ESPN offer SUAD would have received triple the TV money it received in 2010-2012 how do you dispute this.

I meant relative to other CFB teams. And no, I run a graphic design firm.

"If the Big East did something" ... Yada, yada ... That's out of our control. Bball was helping sure - but that's no way to get where you want to go.

 

[Alsacs]

I meant relative to other CFB teams. And no, I run a graphic design firm.

"If the Big East did something" ... Yada, yada ... That's out of our control. Bball was helping sure - but that's no way to get where you want to go.

Gross took the MetLife money it isn't wrong to admit Gross knew SU was going to receive atleast triple the TV money it was receiving because he was one of 12
BE schools that voted to accept the ESPN offer.
Gross took this MetLife money for reasons only he knows but for him to claim the BE wasn't paying a lot is disingenuous because he know about the ESPN offer to the BE in 2010 and that it was declined because the BE thought it could get more on the open market.

 

[TheCusian]

Gross took the MetLife money it isn't wrong to admit Gross knew SU was going to receive atleast triple the TV money it was receiving because he was one of 12 BE schools that voted to accept the ESPN offer. Gross took this MetLife money for reasons only he knows but for him to claim the BE wasn't paying a lot is disingenuous because he know about the ESPN offer to the BE in 2010 and that it was declined because the BE thought it could get more on the open market.

He wanted the TV deal for the same reason he wanted the MetLife deal: money and exposure. This is easy stuff.

You make it sound like you wouldn't do the same thing... Hey, boss - could have made 5million more dollars this year and had us play a huge game in front of a national audience. But opted to play Western Arkansas instead.

Also - do you have access to the athletic budget?

 

[rrlbees]

He wanted the TV deal for the same reason he wanted the MetLife deal: money and exposure. This is easy stuff. You make it sound like you wouldn't do the same thing... Hey, boss - could have made 5million more dollars this year and had us play a huge game in front of a national audience. But opted to play Western Arkansas instead. Also - do you have access to the athletic budget?

One it wasn't $5m for the game. Two, it's not all profit. Three, there is a loss of revenue to SU and the local economy by losing a home game. I'm sure it was a financial benefit, but it's not some huge windfall.

 

[TheCusian]

One it wasn't $5m for the game. Two, it's not all profit. Three, there is a loss of revenue to SU and the local economy by losing a home game. I'm sure it was a financial benefit, but it's not some huge windfall.

Okay - 5x the amount of a normal bowl game. Unless you wang to break some news? You always refute what's said from the AD office like you have inside info - I'd gladly be wrong, if your words had the weight of a source...

So subtract travel expenses, etc. Same with a home game, subtract staffing, food, utilities, security, etc.

 

[Alsacs]

He wanted the TV deal for the same reason he wanted the MetLife deal: money and exposure. This is easy stuff.

You make it sound like you wouldn't do the same thing... Hey, boss - could have made 5million more dollars this year and had us play a huge game in front of a national audience. But opted to play Western Arkansas instead.

Also - do you have access to the athletic budget?

Your point honestly is pro SU AD spin.
I give credit to dr. Gross for improving our Olympic sports but the job he has done for Football is not good.
He claims the reason for the MetLife home games was money when the money for TV rights exploded last round of negotiations for every conference. The need for this money is being used as a justification to spin a deal that makes SU look small time.
UConn and Rutgers were both in the BE during the same time and both declined the same deal with MetLife. SU BB made a lot do money to help FB which is not available to many other schools because of the size of the Dome for BB.
The home games with MetLife made our program look small time midmajor that is the only reason I didn't like them.

 

[KellySyracuse]

You're vastly overselling our position in the BE. It was a sinking ship with or without the TV deal.

The funniest thing in all of the MetLife threads is a lack of knowledge. None of us have access to the athletic department budget or to the details of the deal. Would seem to be a pretty glaring hole in any definitive statement on either side of the argument.

I stand by my position that folks are just mad that they get one less home game in their ticket package and/or own a local business that gains money from home games. The mental gymnastics required to ignore the facts we know while making assumptions about we don't is Billy Fucillo huge.

well as a season ticket holder I was pissed about losing a home game. As an SU fan I tried to look at the upside and for the most part it was okay until we all saw the failure of fan support at the USC game. I'll give the good Dr. the Penn State and Notre Dame games but 3 strikes you're out. And I'll also give you that this MetLife series has further alienated home town fans. You know, those fans that supported the program for decades with donations and buying season seats so you have the ability today to enjoy those shiny, new grey uniforms and complain that we're all old geezers because we're "not on board". Sorry but give me an break

 

[Stevenson]

Saturday wasn't small time mid major. Your intellect is. Drop it, Johnny-one-note.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

He claims the reason for the MetLife home games was money when the money for TV rights exploded last round of negotiations for every conference. The need for this money is being used as a justification to spin a deal that makes SU look small time.

Once again, we signed the MetLife deal back in 2009.

When we were getting paid $3.7 million a year from the old Big East.

While the other P5 schools were making anywhere from $14 to $20 million.

 

[Alsacs]

Saturday wasn't small time mid major. Your intellect is. Drop it, Johnny-one-note.

My intellect is mid major because you don't like my points.
News flash Saturday had more Notre dame fans than Syracuse for a Syracuse home game that is embarrassing. It happened at the nadir of program in 2008 vs. Penn State and happened on Saturday.

 

[Alsacs]

Once again, we signed the MetLife deal back in 2009.

When we were getting paid $3.7 million a year from the old Big East.

While the other P5 schools were making anywhere from $14 to $20 million.

Gross knew the BE TV rights were coming up for negotiation. In 2011 before we played a single game at MetLife the BE turned down a deal from ESPN that would have paid SU 11-13 million a year.
The Syracuse fanbase for games at MetLife have never been over half of the crowd in attendance. I went to USC and Penn State games and ND fans are why that game on Saturday was the largest crowd of the 3.

 

[Chris02M]

My intellect is mid major because you don't like my points.
News flash Saturday had more Notre dame fans than Syracuse for a Syracuse home game that is embarrassing. It happened at the nadir of program in 2008 vs. Penn State and happened on Saturday.

your point is true but ND frequently has equal to or more fans whenever played at carrier dome or almost any away game because they have 7 gazillion fans and the bandwagoners

 

[rrlbees]

Okay - 5x the amount of a normal bowl game. Unless you wang to break some news? You always refute what's said from the AD office like you have inside info - I'd gladly be wrong, if your words had the weight of a source... So subtract travel expenses, etc. Same with a home game, subtract staffing, food, utilities, security, etc.

I've asked you this before. Show me where it was said that this single game was 5x a bowl game.

 

[Alsacs]

your point is true but ND frequently has equal to or more fans whenever played at carrier dome or almost any away game because they have 7 gazillion fans and the bandwagoners

I was a freshman at the Walter Reyes 5TD 2003 ND game at the Dome. 38k were SU fans and 10k were ND fans.
My mom is an SU alum the biggest road fanbase at the Dome was the 1998 Tennessee Vol fans which probably had 15k to 20k McNabb's Sr. Year.

ND likely would not have had more fans at the Dome this season because SU football isn't at its nadir.

 

[Alsacs]

Chris you are the perfect person to debate. Your respectful and get it. I respect we disagree but you know the points I am saying are legit and I say you are probably the smartest person on your side of the debate.
It doesn't mean you agree with me but you don't throw insults because you actually know the facts unlike others.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Gross knew the BE TV rights were coming up for negotiation. In 2011 before we played a single game at MetLife the BE turned down a deal from ESPN that would have paid SU 11-13 million a year.

$11 whole million?

Still below the poverty line for a BCS conference.

Might explain why there are only 5 "power" conferences left, not 6.

 

[cpatrocks]

Business 101. You agree to a long term deal to sweeten the short term gains in hope that things change. They did.

I'm pretty sure that's a graduate level class.

 

[TheCusian]

I've asked you this before. Show me where it was said that this single game was 5x a bowl game.

We've all heard that the MetLife game is beneficial to the athletic department, that it helps support the rest of the programs, but can you give us a tangible number to help people understand why you need to play a game away from the Carrier Dome?

Giansante: I'd say it's unequivocally the best neutral-site deal that's been done. It provides us more value than five bowl games would. And bowl money you're splitting with the rest of the league. In this one, you're not.

Are we talking Texas Bowl or Rose Bowl money? There's a difference.

Giansante: It's not five times a BCS bowl. But five times an average bowl.

The highest neutral site payout that I can find reportedly paid $4.7 million each to Alabama and Michigan in 2012. So you're saying it's better than that?

Giansante: I stand by my statement that it's the best neutral-site deal ever done.

There's also one in 2017 that's reported to pay $6 million to Florida and Michigan. Is it higher than that?

Giansante: I can't speak to the future. I can only say that at the time it was done, it was the most lucrative neutral-site deal ever done.

It's been rumored that it's around $5 million?

Giansante: I won't confirm or deny that number.


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Read between the lines.

1. If it's not for one game, why compare it to a single bowl game?
2. Looks like 5x the amount of a bowl payout. Which is roughly 5 mill give or take.
3. Is there a reason that you don't believe the numbers? Inside info? If so, share.

 

[rrlbees]

We've all heard that the MetLife game is beneficial to the athletic department, that it helps support the rest of the programs, but can you give us a tangible number to help people understand why you need to play a game away from the Carrier Dome? Giansante: I'd say it's unequivocally the best neutral-site deal that's been done. It provides us more value than five bowl games would. And bowl money you're splitting with the rest of the league. In this one, you're not. Are we talking Texas Bowl or Rose Bowl money? There's a difference. Giansante: It's not five times a BCS bowl. But five times an average bowl. The highest neutral site payout that I can find reportedly paid $4.7 million each to Alabama and Michigan in 2012. So you're saying it's better than that? Giansante: I stand by my statement that it's the best neutral-site deal ever done. There's also one in 2017 that's reported to pay $6 million to Florida and Michigan. Is it higher than that? Giansante: I can't speak to the future. I can only say that at the time it was done, it was the most lucrative neutral-site deal ever done. It's been rumored that it's around $5 million? Giansante: I won't confirm or deny that number. ------ Read between the lines. 1. If it's not for one game, why compare it to a single bowl game? 2. Looks like 5x the amount of a bowl payout. Which is roughly 5 mill give or take. 3. Is there a reason that you don't believe the numbers? Inside info? If so, share.

I don't believe it because in this interview as well as a recent one with Gross use the word deal. Never game. Always deal. The ND games were a 2 year deal. The original MetLife deal was for 4 games. The way the word deal is used implies to me that the rumored money is either for both ND games or maybe even all 4 games.

I have no inside source, but last year this same topic was discussed prior to the PedSt game. The same $5m number was thrown out. SU would never say whether we were getting $5m for that game either. Also at the time a poster who I consider well connected scoffed at $5 for that single game.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Daryl Gross discusses football games at Yankee Stadium (what we learned about MetLife series) (PS: Carlson)

 

[Upstate]

Daryl Gross discusses football games at Yankee Stadium (what we learned about MetLife series) (PS: Carlson)

posted this in the daily articles thread:

The Yankees Stadium option is so much better than Met Life it isn't even funny. Imagine the people living in NYC. Getting to Met Life from NYC is a pain, no way around it. Getting to Yankee Stadium, however gives many public transit options for ALL of NYC, ALL of close NJ residents (Hoboken, et al.), ALL of Westchester County and is an easier trip for those along 87 and 81. I'm not sure why they wouldn't do that. 15 minutes from midtown Manhattan on the Metro North. 25 Minutes from Midtown via the Lexington Ave. subway line...

It's a better option for SU for getting NYC fans than MetLife.

 

[rrlbees]

posted this in the daily articles thread: The Yankees Stadium option is so much better than Met Life it isn't even funny. Imagine the people living in NYC. Getting to Met Life from NYC is a pain, no way around it. Getting to Yankee Stadium, however gives many public transit options for ALL of NYC, ALL of close NJ residents (Hoboken, et al.), ALL of Westchester County and is an easier trip for those along 87 and 81. I'm not sure why they wouldn't do that. 15 minutes from midtown Manhattan on the Metro North. 25 Minutes from Midtown via the Lexington Ave. subway line... It's a better option for SU for getting NYC fans than MetLife.

Who cares? Games should be played in the Dome. If we have 7 home games and another team is giving up a home slot, fine.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Daryl Gross discusses football games at Yankee Stadium (what we learned about MetLife series) (PS: Carlson)

Axe took Gross to task for that comment about people not understanding the data before making a judgement, and for not giving Neikam a definite answer when asked if SU was working on a new deal with MetLife or YS. Really called him out for hiding behind the private school designation, and for not doing a better job of telling the media/public what the MetLife deal was so people could form an opinion.

Audio for Axe's show should be on the ESPN Syracuse website.

 

[CuseOnly]

I don't believe it because in this interview as well as a recent one with Gross use the word deal. Never game. Always deal. The ND games were a 2 year deal. The original MetLife deal was for 4 games. The way the word deal is used implies to me that the rumored money is either for both ND games or maybe even all 4 games.

I have no inside source, but last year this same topic was discussed prior to the PedSt game. The same $5m number was thrown out. SU would never say whether we were getting $5m for that game either. Also at the time a poster who I consider well connected scoffed at $5 for that single game.

Most recent article states pretty definitively that the MetLife games were the most lucrative at the time the deal was signed, Quote "ever". The highest payout for a "neutral site" game at the time was $4.7 million putting the MetLife games at around $5 million.'

http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...ks_metlife_series_and_yankee_stadium_p_1.html

 

[rrlbees]

Most recent article states pretty definitively that the MetLife games were the most lucrative at the time the deal was signed, Quote "ever". The highest payout for a "neutral site" game at the time was $4.7 million putting the MetLife games at around $5 million.' http://www.syracuse.com/orangefootb...ks_metlife_series_and_yankee_stadium_p_1.html

Doesn't say game. Says deal. The ND deal was 2 games. Nobody at SU has ever said for a single game. Maybe they should clarify but they won't. If we got $20m for 4 games. That's money. I'm skeptical NCAA's they always talk in terms of the deal.