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TE Landon Morris / Portal from Utah to Temple

Rocco said:
My thoughts exactly. The convenience of the new transfer portal rules will allow these *unhappy* kids to jump at the first sign of inconvenience. As an adult, you don't get to do that in the real world.

He's a young man, but suck it up buttercup. Life throws curveballs at you, figure out how to hit them.
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Agreed at least stay the first year and see if things progress. Get stronger, etc. Such a waste of time to just stop now
 
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Orijinal said:
I'm going to backpedal just a bit on some of my initial thoughts here.

I think that the running game is drastically changing under Schmidt, and that will change the look of the offense ...how often the TE needs to stay in to block/what is expected at that position going forward.

This could be Morris' motivation for moving on, and the reason he says the coaches had good intentions.

I'm thinking Landon was recruited while Cavanagh was still coach and was recruited to the system that was in place under him. The hiring of Schmidt I truly believe drastically changed some things that even the coaches could not foresee before he was hired.

I can be corrected here if I am wrong
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Makes sense. When he was recruited the OL was still a mess, Rhino was playing guard, and Howard and Adams were not on the team. Now there is depth on the O-Line, Rhino is the FB/TE and the RB room is arguably the strongest position group on the team. I imagine a lot of the early work has been spent evaluating the ground game and he doesn’t necessarily fit the TE profile that aspect of the offense demands.
That being said, there is a kid out there who lost a spot at Syracuse when Morris committed. That is the unseen part about moves like this.
 
dollarbill44 said:
I actually blame T-ball for all of society's problems. That and bumper bowling. There's nothing wrong with kids tasting some failure early. Ridiculous!!!
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Very true!
 
He was an early enrollee so he's been in the program for a 7-8 months now, so I get the frustration here but it's not a situation where he's been on campus a month or less and is now leaving. If you sell someone on a vision during their recruitment, it's kind of abrupt to shift from that before they're even through their first year. We've seen some success with shifting kids (Tebucky, Hogue, etc) from their recruited position to another position after a year or two but usually they're given some time to hit the depth chart and be utilized the way they were recruited. If that wasn't the case here, and with him being in the program for 7-8 months, I really can't blame him for deciding it wasn't for him.

This sounds like more of a position transformation issue than position shift, so I think the Cavanaugh to Schmidt change here sounds reasonable as perhaps being a driver of it.
 
regardless of what the vision was.. the kid still needs to block someone even if its in the bubble screen spot as a large WR. they cant roll him out there and every time he only runs patterns or teams will pick up on that pretty fast.
 
tep624 said:
He was an early enrollee so he's been in the program for a 7-8 months now, so I get the frustration here but it's not a situation where he's been on campus a month or less and is now leaving. If you sell someone on a vision during their recruitment, it's kind of abrupt to shift from that before they're even through their first year. We've seen some success with shifting kids (Tebucky, Hogue, etc) from their recruited position to another position after a year or two but usually they're given some time to hit the depth chart and be utilized the way they were recruited. If that wasn't the case here, and with him being in the program for 7-8 months, I really can't blame him for deciding it wasn't for him.

This sounds like more of a position transformation issue than position shift, so I think the Cavanaugh to Schmidt change here sounds reasonable as perhaps being a driver of it.
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All good thoughts. My thought is he gained 20 pounds for the position. Plus he saw the writing on the wall during the spring. He saw what the TE position entailed. He could have left right after that. Why come back then leave after a week of fall practice?
 
tep624 said:
He was an early enrollee so he's been in the program for a 7-8 months now, so I get the frustration here but it's not a situation where he's been on campus a month or less and is now leaving. If you sell someone on a vision during their recruitment, it's kind of abrupt to shift from that before they're even through their first year. We've seen some success with shifting kids (Tebucky, Hogue, etc) from their recruited position to another position after a year or two but usually they're given some time to hit the depth chart and be utilized the way they were recruited. If that wasn't the case here, and with him being in the program for 7-8 months, I really can't blame him for deciding it wasn't for him.

This sounds like more of a position transformation issue than position shift, so I think the Cavanaugh to Schmidt change here sounds reasonable as perhaps being a driver of it.
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Super good point. Didn't recall he was here in the Spring.
 
tep624 said:
He was an early enrollee so he's been in the program for a 7-8 months now, so I get the frustration here but it's not a situation where he's been on campus a month or less and is now leaving. If you sell someone on a vision during their recruitment, it's kind of abrupt to shift from that before they're even through their first year. We've seen some success with shifting kids (Tebucky, Hogue, etc) from their recruited position to another position after a year or two but usually they're given some time to hit the depth chart and be utilized the way they were recruited. If that wasn't the case here, and with him being in the program for 7-8 months, I really can't blame him for deciding it wasn't for him.

This sounds like more of a position transformation issue than position shift, so I think the Cavanaugh to Schmidt change here sounds reasonable as perhaps being a driver of it.
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Before reading through the thread, this is exactly what I was thinking.

My (educated) guess is that he was told he'd be used as a big WR. They probably even gave him this opportunity during the spring. Then decided to move him to TE full time this summer into camp. Morris decided this wasn't what he was told during recruiting and didn't feel like he got a fair shake as a big WR. Right, wrong or indifferent this happens quite a bit with these kinds of big athletes.

When situations like this arise - the truth is ALWAYS somewhere in the middle. Did the staff "lie" during recruiting? Maybe. Did Morris only hear what he wanted to hear? Probably. It's just not as clear cut as some here want to believe - "so the kid didn't want to block so he's transfering!!" It just didn't work out and those who want to find some hidden insinuations are wasting your time.

He didn't quit two weeks in, he was here for 8 months. That changes things in my book. He gave it a shot and it doesn't sound like it was working out for either side. My second guess is that he will land somewhere fairly quickly. I'm sure he communicated his unhappiness with his high school coach or others around them and they've already put some feelers out to other programs. This is why he did this now and didn't wait until the end of the season. He can transfer now but can't play this Fall. He can still practice wherever he ends up.

Wish he stuck it out a bit longer but sometimes these things don't happen and it's better for both sides for someone to move on sooner rather than later.
 
Alsacs said:
If this kid can make plays why wouldn’t we use him as a weapon.
I like Dino but this chit is getting annoying.
Our offense has been absolutely nothing he advertised.

This sucks.
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We got sold a bill of goods

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EuclidBred said:
Before reading through the thread, this is exactly what I was thinking.

My (educated) guess is that he was told he'd be used as a big WR. They probably even gave him this opportunity during the spring. Then decided to move him to TE full time this summer into camp. Morris decided this wasn't what he was told during recruiting and didn't feel like he got a fair shake as a big WR. Right, wrong or indifferent this happens quite a bit with these kinds of big athletes.

When situations like this arise - the truth is ALWAYS somewhere in the middle. Did the staff "lie" during recruiting? Maybe. Did Morris only hear what he wanted to hear? Probably. It's just not as clear cut as some here want to believe - "so the kid didn't want to block so he's transfering!!" It just didn't work out and those who want to find some hidden insinuations are wasting your time.

He didn't quit two weeks in, he was here for 8 months. That changes things in my book. He gave it a shot and it doesn't sound like it was working out for either side. My second guess is that he will land somewhere fairly quickly. I'm sure he communicated his unhappiness with his high school coach or others around them and they've already put some feelers out to other programs. This is why he did this now and didn't wait until the end of the season. He can transfer now but can't play this Fall. He can still practice wherever he ends up.

Wish he stuck it out a bit longer but sometimes these things don't happen and it's better for both sides for someone to move on sooner rather than later.
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I think this is the best post Ive read about this situation. Well thought out.
 
tep624 said:
He was an early enrollee so he's been in the program for a 7-8 months now, so I get the frustration here but it's not a situation where he's been on campus a month or less and is now leaving. If you sell someone on a vision during their recruitment, it's kind of abrupt to shift from that before they're even through their first year. We've seen some success with shifting kids (Tebucky, Hogue, etc) from their recruited position to another position after a year or two but usually they're given some time to hit the depth chart and be utilized the way they were recruited. If that wasn't the case here, and with him being in the program for 7-8 months, I really can't blame him for deciding it wasn't for him.

This sounds like more of a position transformation issue than position shift, so I think the Cavanaugh to Schmidt change here sounds reasonable as perhaps being a driver of it.
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idk...It was no secret Syracuse recruited him as a 'catch' first TE but it sounds to me like this kid just wanted to be primarily split out wide and be a WR.

"I don't feel like I was being utilized the way I was being recruited," Morris said in a text message. "I was told I was going to be used as a stretch tight end/receiver, but it just didn't play out that way.

Even so...is his current time spent in the program really enough time for him to gauge what his future as a pass catching TE holds?

This team needs to get the running game established before they worry about splitting out a catch first true freshman TE who likely started camp last on the depth chart. Establish the running game and we'll see players like Benson utilizing their strengths running seam routes and being involved in the passing game.

I'm very curious now to see where he ends up and who sold him that he'll be used primarily splitting out.
 
Oakland said:
Has the offense been successful in most of the Dino era?
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Define successful.

Offensive Efficiency in the Babers Era (126 teams):

2015 - 64th (Shafer)

2016 - 59th (Babers year 1)
2017 - 52nd
2018 - 43rd
2019 - 94th
2020 - 123rd

If top half of the country in offensive efficiency is success than he's been mostly successful. Beyond that definition, the answer is most likely No.
 
Louie and Bouie said:
Define successful.

Offensive Efficiency in the Babers Era (126 teams):

2015 - 64th (Shafer)

2016 - 59th (Babers year 1)
2017 - 52nd
2018 - 43rd
2019 - 94th
2020 - 123rd

If top half of the country in offensive efficiency is success than he's been mostly successful. Beyond that definition, the answer is most likely No.
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C'mon. You and I both know efficiency leads to points, good passing numbers, good running numbers etc. If you measure by time of possession, we'd fail that test. The offense had lots of room to grow those 1st three years, of course. I think we had outsized expectations that he didn't reach and therefore is seen as non-successful.

The last two seasons have been awful by any standard. (my reasons include bad OL play, sub-par QB play, and I think the Baylor system got figured out and needs to evolve)
 
Landing any top shelf "pass first" TE's for the foreseeable future. Coaches bear a lot of responsibility for this departure and the inevitable void coming.
 
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