Texas A&M boosters paying $30M NIL

[David321]

You wouldn’t take that compensation to value ratio at any job you work. Nor should they.

(It used to be pretty fair like in the 50’s. TV money has made the arrangement untenable, IMO)

But you’re comparing student athletes to employees, which is a false equivalency.
Also, I’m a volunteer firefighter; so I guess I already do, but even less so? Lol

 

[TheCusian]

But you’re comparing student athletes to employees, which is a false equivalency.
Also, I’m a volunteer firefighter; so I guess I already do, but even less so? Lol

What is the difference between a student athlete and an employee?

 

[David321]

What is the difference between a student athlete and an employee?

Is a student athlete legally considered an employee? That’s not just an arbitrary definition, it has a legal status attached to it. So tell me, is there any state in the US that has defined student athletes as employees?

 

[kcsu]

I expect that eventually even the SEC will realize that without some degree of parity college footballs value will diminish.

 

[TheCusian]

Is a student athlete legally considered an employee? That’s not just an arbitrary definition, it has a legal status attached to it. So tell me, is there any state in the US that has defined student athletes as employees?

Players at private schools are according the US legal entity that decides such things: Labor agency: Union allowed in college football

The Supreme Court has thoughts too: Even the Supreme Court Thinks NCAA Amateurism Is a Farce

 

[JimBoston]

I think the original intention of NIL was deals like Paige Bueckers of UConn signed with Gatorade, not schools blatantly paying players for coming to the school. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the NCAA is strong enough right now to enforce any rules, so maybe things get out of control. If that happens, I would think some schools will decide to participate and some would not. My guess is all of the schools in the SEC would participate with the possible exception of Vanderbilt. Unfortunately, some conferences won't come to a consensus about participating which could lead to the next round of conference realignment.

 

[NKR1978]

Are the rich folks who contribute millions to the syracuse basketball and football programs upset at the money they have spent on buildings that have gome towards a losing football season and currently a 7-7 basketball season?

it’s all relative...now the money is just going to the players Instead of flashy dorms and weight rooms

Contributing to a building is tangible. Spending millions of dollars to secure a recruiting class to finish 7-6 isn’t going to fly.

 

[NKR1978]

I think the original intention of NIL was deals like Paige Bueckers of UConn signed with Gatorade, not schools blatantly paying players for coming to the school. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the NCAA is strong enough right now to enforce any rules, so maybe things get out of control. If that happens, I would think some schools will decide to participate and some would not. My guess is all of the schools in the SEC would participate with the possible exception of Vanderbilt. Unfortunately, some conferences won't come to a consensus about participating which could lead to the next round of conference realignment.

Out of control just means players being compensated.

The NCAA could have negotiated with plaintiffs, instead they spent millions of dollars fighting to preserve the system that funneled wealth to administrators and coaches and lost everything.

This is America. We should be cheering this on. The fact that people became millionaires off of kids who were stopped from earning money off their name, image and likeness blows my mind.

 

[xc84]

Out of control just means players being compensated.

The NCAA could have negotiated with plaintiffs, instead they spent millions of dollars fighting to preserve the system that funneled wealth to administrators and coaches and lost everything.

This is America. We should be cheering this on. The fact that people became millionaires off of kids who were stopped from earning money off their name, image and likeness blows my mind.

Open bidding disguised as recruiting is not "Name Image Likeness" related. I don't cheer it on. College sports should be about student athletes.

 

[RandomGuy]

I always thought that a free education, especially if room and board, is fair compensation for scholarship players. But what do I know. The only issue I ever had was I think that if a student athlete gets injured, the school should still honor the scholarship all the way through.

Take 2015. University of Texas football team made more profit than just about every single NFL team. (And the #'s have gone up significantly since. From $121M in 2015 to over $200M today )

I'm not sure that I can argue that the $11500 tuition(plus Room and Board) is sufficient, Nor could I argue that continuing education/room and board is good enough compensation for NFL players.

NCAA Football Teams Made More Money Than Many NFL Teams in 2015 [INFOGRAPHIC] | uCribs

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www.ucribs.com

 

[RandomGuy]

I think the original intention of NIL was deals like Paige Bueckers of UConn signed with Gatorade, not schools blatantly paying players for coming to the school. Unfortunately, it doesn't seem like the NCAA is strong enough right now to enforce any rules, so maybe things get out of control. If that happens, I would think some schools will decide to participate and some would not. My guess is all of the schools in the SEC would participate with the possible exception of Vanderbilt. Unfortunately, some conferences won't come to a consensus about participating which could lead to the next round of conference realignment.

I think the original intention(hope) of NIL was to push schools having to pay players out a little further. Protect school money.

 

[TheCusian]

Open bidding disguised as recruiting is not "Name Image Likeness" related. I don't cheer it on. College sports should be about student athletes.*

*secretly getting paid under the table in weird relationships with bagmen, as is tradition

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Open bidding disguised as recruiting is not "Name Image Likeness" related. I don't cheer it on. College sports should be about student athletes.

This is about student athletes.

 

[RandomGuy]

You wouldn’t take that compensation to value ratio at any job you work. Nor should they.

(It used to be pretty fair like in the 50’s. TV money has made the arrangement untenable, IMO)

I wonder what that ratio would be for some schools? Texas generated 1.6M per player, a couple years back. This is per the NFL model where the team has already kept its half. If you figure players work 1300 hours per year(probably more), that equates to $1230/hr in income generated per player in the NFL model. (Actual revenue at about 2400/hr.)

Texas in state tuition is $11500. I'll use 30k. Compensation is $23/hour, for $2400/hr in net revenue. SlIghtly less than 1% . That would put a basic $15/hr job, having the employer earning about $60K/week per employee for expenses. Lol.

 

[xc84]

This is about student athletes.

What about offering money before a kid steps on campus is "Name Image Likeness"?

 

[xc84]

*secretly getting paid under the table in weird relationships with bagmen, as is tradition

I am not a supporter of that either.

 

[NKR1978]

What about offering money before a kid steps on campus is "Name Image Likeness"?

His name due to his high school accomplishments.

 

[Bayside44]

Is NIL for a student athlete to make some appearance fees and sponsor the local pizza parlor? And make a buck for the dozens of jerseys with their name on it?

Or is it major donors forming various shells to buy recruits?

Seems like two different things.

 

[xc84]

His name due to his high school accomplishments.

fair enough. I still think this is the beginning of the end. To be competitive, schools will need more money than ever and there will be a disparity...enough so I think that it won't make any sense for many schools to field teams. In the end, I think there will be less schools playing which means less student athletes getting scholarship which = less educational opportunities. Maybe 20 schools stay in the race and that subset of athletes gets the benefit of education (if they choose) and cash. They will be the feeders to the NFL, which will have a smaller pool to deal with.

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

Is NIL for a student athlete to make some appearance fees and sponsor the local pizza parlor? And make a buck for the dozens of jerseys with their name on it?

Or is it major donors forming various shells to buy recruits?

Seems like two different things.

Well, arent the LLCs going to be non-profits? It looks like a pretty convenient way to get a tax deduction too for the boosters philanthropic donors.

 

[TheCusian]

I wonder what that ratio would be for some schools? Texas generated 1.6M per player, a couple years back. This is per the NFL model where the team has already kept its half. If you figure players work 1300 hours per year(probably more), that equates to $1230/hr in income generated per player in the NFL model. (Actual revenue at about 2400/hr.)

Texas in state tuition is $11500. I'll use 30k. Compensation is $23/hour, for $2400/hr in net revenue. SlIghtly less than 1% . That would put a basic $15/hr job, having the employer earning about $60K/week per employee for expenses. Lol.

That’s where is gets fun lol. Def complicated

 

[TheCusian]

Is NIL for a student athlete to make some appearance fees and sponsor the local pizza parlor? And make a buck for the dozens of jerseys with their name on it?

Or is it major donors forming various shells to buy recruits?

Seems like two different things.

Indeed. If only the NCAA had decided to actually set up a real system to regulate it

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Is NIL for a student athlete to make some appearance fees and sponsor the local pizza parlor? And make a buck for the dozens of jerseys with their name on it?

Or is it major donors forming various shells to buy recruits?

Seems like two different things.

It's not if the kid earns it for being who they are.

 

[JimBoston]

Out of control just means players being compensated.

The NCAA could have negotiated with plaintiffs, instead they spent millions of dollars fighting to preserve the system that funneled wealth to administrators and coaches and lost everything.

This is America. We should be cheering this on. The fact that people became millionaires off of kids who were stopped from earning money off their name, image and likeness blows my mind.

College football players already get room, board, tuition, fees, books, plus top medical care, academic tutoring, coaching, training, cost of attendance,... The cost of all of that is typically >$100k per year, so they are being compensated for playing football. Sure, they deserve extra cash and receive value for their NIL, but I don't think schools should be promising payment to commit.

 

[xc84]

College football players already get room, board, tuition, fees, books, plus top medical care, academic tutoring, coaching, training, cost of attendance,... The cost of all of that is typically >$100k per year, so they are being compensated for playing football. Sure, they deserve extra cash and receive value for their NIL, but I don't think schools should be promising payment to commit.

I agree and think the compensation was fair. Let's forget the term NIL and just say players can be bought now. This model will not work for the schools that just don't have the cash. There will be a ripple effect when they can't compete on the field (no support anymore from fans or alumni for dismal programs) and need to cut their team. That won't just affect football and basketball. It will kill all their sports in terms of being able to offer athletic scholarships given the 2 sports pay for the rest. The net is less educational opportunities for athletes. I am not saying this is good or bad... just what I think will happen.