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This is why you play Shrader…

TheHaze315 said:
^^^ This is a perfect way to put it. If we are in a game where the opposition stops giving us the 2 high look, drops their safety’s in the box, and dares us to throw it, we simply need Tommy Devito in the football game. GS might have more situational awareness and more football intangibles but the kid cannot push the football down the field in any capacity. We need both our guys to get to where we need to go. This civil war needs to end.
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If a team drops their safeties into the box TD will be sacked more then making completions. We have seen 4 years of Tommy's arm and only 1 true game of GS's arm. Whom by the ways hasn't played in two years. Yet everyone here is saying he can't throw. He is given the plays to run by the OC. There was only one true play that was called for a deep pass, which was first play. He missed him but it was overthrown, not a under thrown pass. It's not like we haven't seen Tommy over throw receivers many times.
 
Killdozer said:
If a team drops their safeties into the box TD will be sacked more then making completions. We have seen 4 years of Tommy's arm and only 1 true game of GS's arm. Whom by the ways hasn't played in two years. Yet everyone here is saying he can't throw. He is given the plays to run by the OC. There was only one true play that was called for a deep pass, which was first play. He missed him but it was overthrown, not a under thrown pass. It's not like we haven't seen Tommy over throw receivers many times.
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He also threw into triple coverage on a post, and had 2 crossers that could’ve been picked. His mechanics in his throwing motion are broken and part of the reason he doesn’t get enough on the ball is because of his footwork, he doesn’t completely plant on some of his throws. These issues aren’t fixed in a week between games, they’re gonna be there all season long. And with Tommy, if they’re putting our WRs on islands and putting both their safeties in the box we can hide his lack of situational football awareness by making his reads a simple high to low. the receivers will be 1 on 1 with no help.
 
FloridaFan said:
My arguement is that teams know now how to stop them. And I don’t think GS is a good enough passer to not get the box stacked on us to the point we throw for 100 yards and win in ACc Play
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I think that's a valid concern. I guess my counter would be, have teams been scared of TD's passing enough to refrain from stacking the box? It seems like they know they can just blitz and get to either the RB if it's a run or get the QB before anything downfield develops since they know he struggles to evade and adjust. I can certainly see both playing going forward. The jist is, we really don't have a complete player at the position.
 
TheHaze315 said:
He also threw into triple coverage on a post, and had 2 crossers that could’ve been picked. His mechanics in his throwing motion are broken and part of the reason he doesn’t get enough on the ball is because of his footwork, he doesn’t completely plant on some of his throws. These issues aren’t fixed in a week between games, they’re gonna be there all season long. And with Tommy, if they’re putting our WRs on islands and putting both their safeties in the box we can hide his lack of situational football awareness by making his reads a simple high to low. the receivers will be 1 on 1 with no help.
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And yet he was one of three FBS freshmen quarterbacks to account for 1,000 yards passing and 500 yards rushing … Finished No. 28 nationally and No. 3 in the SEC in yards per completion (13.3) … Ranked No. 67 in the FBS and No. 6 in the SEC in passing efficiency (132.5). So you really don't know what you are talking about and just spewing opinion as fact.
 
Killdozer said:
And yet he was one of three FBS freshmen quarterbacks to account for 1,000 yards passing and 500 yards rushing … Finished No. 28 nationally and No. 3 in the SEC in yards per completion (13.3) … Ranked No. 67 in the FBS and No. 6 in the SEC in passing efficiency (132.5). So you really don't know what you are talking about and just spewing opinion as fact.
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I actually do know what i’m talking about, unfortunately for you. I come from a coaching family so film study has always been my thing, for pro and college. 3 of his 8 TDs came against TA&M when they were down 35-10. And 2 more came in a game against Auburn when they lost by almost 40. They weren’t TDs when the game was still in the balance. Maybe it’s you who doesn’t know what they’re talking about?
 
TheHaze315 said:
I actually do know what i’m talking about, unfortunately for you. I come from a coaching family so film study has always been my thing, for pro and college. 3 of his 8 TDs came against TA&M when they were down 35-10. And 2 more came in a game against Auburn when they lost by almost 40. They weren’t TDs when the game was still in the balance. Maybe it’s you who doesn’t know what they’re talking about?
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Unfortunately you must come from a really bad coaching family.
 
Dick_in_MI said:
The only thing I can think of is this; Dino sees these guys every day in practice and he has a better feel for them than we do. We get to see them once a week for a few minutes and we think we know everything. We do not.

I think he feels he needs to get to six wins somehow. He isn't worrying about winning the conference; he is worried about keeping his job. With this win he only needs to go 3-5 the rest of the way to get what passes for a bowl these days. Maybe he feels that with Devito he could possibly win more than 6 games but he could also lose most of the rest. With GS plus what he wants do do with his modified offense he thinks he can get to 6 wins. The ACC is weak enough that with a good D plus Sean Tucker, perhaps handing off, not getting sacked, etc. Dino sees a way forward. We won't win all of our games and the passing game may look like total crap at times but as long as he can get his bowl he may not care. That's all I've got.
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I don't know. That line of logic escapes me. I don't see how Shrader is more consistently mediocre and Devito more up and down. Not a lot of evidence of ups for Devito recently. You have go back quite a ways for ups. I should also say here that I'm not a Shrader superfan and a Devito hater. Both have huge limitations so I think it's more likely that Babers is going with what he thinks is the hot hand/best matchup in the moment and he won't be afraid to pull a guy if we fall behind. It didn't happen in this game so we don't have proof of that yet.
 
FloridaFan said:
I mean he also cost us the game at points too with the offense being almost completely inept in the second half. But he does have good moments
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Well with Devito we would probably been losing and not even in the game. He would take some sacks that or not caught one of the high snaps and Liberty would have had much better field position all night
 
UD1954 said:
l can't believe we have posters on here complaining Shrader can't throw based on one game...l just want to win and l really believe Shrader is the best option. l don't think we beat Liberty with Devito under center.
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It’s too bad we don’t have a counter factual…. Oh wait we do devito lost to liberty last year
 
UD1954 said:
l can't believe we have posters on here complaining Shrader can't throw based on one game...l just want to win and l really believe Shrader is the best option. l don't think we beat Liberty with Devito under center.
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Who cares about winning? I want beautiful perfect spirals that hang in the air forever like big golden rainbows. I want a majestic throwing motion with hip rotation and wrist snap that is clean and fluid like angels flapping their wings while blowing trumpets.

I mean, let's focus on what's important here.
 
RandomGuy said:
Incorrect. Under pressure he graded FAR better than Shrader. He got rocked just as he released that bomb to Alford last week.

Vs Albany Tommy posted an ELITE 90.4 grade. Garrett a failing 58.6. Thats why so few passes for Garrett. He's a runner. Passing without pressure is the problem.
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Against Albany? You don’t say….
 
OrangeFoo said:
It’s too bad we don’t have a counter factual…. Oh wait we do devito lost to liberty last year
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You mean, Rex Culpepper, who managed 3TDs and 211 yards against Liberty, last year? Lol.
 
We’ve seen what Devito brings for 3 years now. Let’s give GS a chance.
Devito is the Jeff George of SU football. He throws a perfect ball but for whatever reason, can’t seem to get the job done when it counts.
Nothing against the kid, but we’ve seen that movie before. Let GS play leading man for a bit and maybe we’ll get a different ending.
Could care less about throwing motion or great mechanics. I want wins. And TD hasn’t bought us many of those.
 
blizz said:
Who cares about winning? I want beautiful perfect spirals that hang in the air forever like big golden rainbows. I want a majestic throwing motion with hip rotation and wrist snap that is clean and fluid like angels flapping their wings while blowing trumpets.

I mean, let's focus on what's important here.
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Nobody is saying he needs to throw a perfect spiral or have perfect mechanics, but the flaws in his mechanics make it very difficult for him to efficiently push the football down the field, and you need to be able to do that to win games. it’s as simple as that. you can’t run on 3rd and 8 and expect to pick it up in ACC play, and when you have a QB like Garrett 3rd and 8 feels like 3rd and a mile. it puts a cap on what you can do offensively. Especially late in the season, Tucker is getting a high school Derrick Henry type workload right now, that’s going to wear down anybody. We need to be able to take the pressure off of him and give him some help.
 
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UD1954 said:
l can't believe we have posters on here complaining Shrader can't throw based on one game...l just want to win and l really believe Shrader is the best option. l don't think we beat Liberty with Devito under center.
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It isn’t one game. Go and watch his film from MSST, he has the same issues then that he does now. I can’t believe that we have posters who only look at stats from games years ago with absolutely no context of those games. Maybe like the 3 of his 4 best games Garrett had passing the ball came in games where his team was getting blown out. Auburn 56-23. LSU 36-13. Auburn 49-30. And in the auburn game the score got to 35-10 before he started actually moving the ball. You can’t just look at stats and think “oh look he can pass the ball!” there’s genuine flaws in his ability to pass the football.
 
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Killdozer said:
You forgot to mention that Tucker wasn't the primary on that play. TD would jave thrown the ball away as the primary was covered.
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I thought that was a called screen I’ll have to go back and watch again.
 
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The takes comparing this year's game against Liberty to last year's and the year before are silly. So much about our team this year is different than last year, and Liberty was very different in 2019 compared to last year and this.
 
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