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USA East Coast Basketball trip with Benny Williams

Just doesn't look comfortable on the court, much like Kaleb Joseph did early in his career at cuse. Hoping the light will go on and game slow down.
 
It’s been established that without Benny we don’t get Judah.

So do you guys think we would be better without both and trying to grab guys from the portal/beg Cole to come back?

Or will be better with Judah and crossing our fingers that Benny and a freshman forward or two are ready to go?

I don’t think that we were getting guard out of the portal as good as Judah but man, the Cole we saw play for the Lakers had an All-American ceiling if he came back. Interesting thought exercise.
 
tee1222 said:
Just watched the scrimmage and practice. The only positives I have are
  1. He had one segment where he helped on defense which prevented anything easy from happening.
  2. He almost beat one of the guards when doing sprints. Was faster than any other big man, but it was just sprints. Doesn't necessarily make him better during game time. Doesn't hurt!
  3. Had good position on one free throw to grab the offensive rebound. But the shot went in.
Otherwise and truthfully
  • He stood out on the perimeter.
  • Didn't cut enough.
  • Wasn't interested in the paint. To expand, he got out-muscled by a bigger dude, definitely a 5 with weight and strength.
  • Missed a three and another jump shot.
The major point here is that he's either doing the wrong things for his game or everyone is telling him he's Glen Rice. He's not! Should stop shooting and somehow make plays closer to the basket, on both ends. Get into the lane. Post up when a wing is on him, etc. I just don't see the value in Benny hanging out on the perimeter. I don't think he's a scoring threat that way. At least until he gets the yips out of his system. Best way to do that is to attack, and at least try to force contact or make a play within the paint.

Also, I could swear that early or pre season last year, he had a handful of assists once. That also would build confidence in the rest of his game. Seems lost and needs to make plays. Think Marek and maybe young CJ/Robey on the defensive end.
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Hopefully it will kick in. CMac was the same way when he first started and had just started playing inside the 3 pt line and inside the paint when he got injured. So it doesn't appear he will outmuscle anyone so the coaches better make sure he understands the proper positioning and anticipation. If he doesn't have natural instincts then the coaches need to work harder. If he has great chemistry with Judah and company that will go a long way.
 
Yes it's just observations of a practice in the summer, but...

I just don't get what the deal is with Benny. I mean, did all the scouts/high-major coaching staffs/analysts regarding him so highly coming out of HS just completely whiff? Did something happen to him between HS and arriving at SU last year? Did Boeheim wreck him?
ugh
 
pearl31 said:
Yes it's just observations of a practice in the summer, but...

I just don't get what the deal is with Benny. I mean, did all the scouts/high-major coaching staffs/analysts regarding him so highly coming out of HS just completely whiff? Did something happen to him between HS and arriving at SU last year? Did Boeheim wreck him?
ugh
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Benny's just trolling us.

He's good for 20 & 10 this season.
 
Practice was stateside before they left.
Why is even this of significance? Well JB had a lot to comment about him and how he practiced last year. It was also clear of his struggles outside a selection of games.

So when you see the same things we saw last year on the court months later it's concerning.
 
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Joe,Judah and Jesse should provide enough o fence hope Bennie can give us 4-5 rebounds a put back or two and 2 blocks a game and we should be happy.
 
the villager said:
Joe,Judah and Jesse should provide enough o fence hope Bennie can give us 4-5 rebounds a put back or two and 2 blocks a game and we should be happy.
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That's not gonna cut it. I'm 6-4, 190 lbs and 69 years old, still play pick-up twice a week and I'm pretty confident I could get 4-5 rebounds and a put back or two playing 20 minutes. No blocks though--no more quickness when I jump--my mind knows when to jump but my legs are 2 seconds behind! LOL PS I can still dunk the ball with a running start--although just barely.
 
tee1222 said:
Just watched the scrimmage and practice. The only positives I have are
  1. He had one segment where he helped on defense which prevented anything easy from happening.
  2. He almost beat one of the guards when doing sprints. Was faster than any other big man, but it was just sprints. Doesn't necessarily make him better during game time. Doesn't hurt!
  3. Had good position on one free throw to grab the offensive rebound. But the shot went in.
Otherwise and truthfully
  • He stood out on the perimeter.
  • Didn't cut enough.
  • Wasn't interested in the paint. To expand, he got out-muscled by a bigger dude, definitely a 5 with weight and strength.
  • Missed a three and another jump shot.
The major point here is that he's either doing the wrong things for his game or everyone is telling him he's Glen Rice. He's not! Should stop shooting and somehow make plays closer to the basket, on both ends. Get into the lane. Post up when a wing is on him, etc. I just don't see the value in Benny hanging out on the perimeter. I don't think he's a scoring threat that way. At least until he gets the yips out of his system. Best way to do that is to attack, and at least try to force contact or make a play within the paint.

Also, I could swear that early or pre season last year, he had a handful of assists once. That also would build confidence in the rest of his game. Seems lost and needs to make plays. Think Marek and maybe young CJ/Robey on the defensive end.
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Hmmm...when you try to find positives and one is "Had good position on one free throw to grab the offensive rebound. " ... that's not good.
 
Was really hoping he would play to his potential in November, but I'm not sure that's going to happen based on these scouting reports. I could see it unfolding in a way where Benny starts the season looking more or less the same, especially on offense, and we just hope that with solid playing time he starts figuring it out by middle to end of the season. In that scenario, I'm not sure if we'll win enough games to make the tournament, but hopefully we do and hopefully he's starting to come alive by then. He'll really need to be good on defense all year, and let the offense come to him.
 
Losing Cole was a dagger to this team but if Benny is the same as last year or just marginally better we are probably in for a long season. Unless we hit a home run with the incoming class we are looking at another sub par season.
 
I obviously want benny to do well but not sure how anyone can be optimistic about it after last season’s performance. It was shockingly bad for his rating. Also, I don’t ever see him becoming a good 3 pt shooter. As everyone has stated, he needs to get in the lane and bang. He needs to find one move that works, and grab a bunch of rebounds. He looks like he should be very strong eventually, if not already, so he should be hitting the weights hard.
 
Chill people. August doesn’t count. We’ve had reports that we’re going to win the national championship in August and it didn’t happen. It means very little. All Star games are not conducive to SU basketball. Benny will never be a pro. He doesn’t do one thing that well that sets him up for an NBA career. He might end up being a really good four year college player and there’s nothing wrong with that.
 
hoopsupstate said:
Chill people. August doesn’t count. We’ve had reports that we’re going to win the national championship in August and it didn’t happen. It means very little. All Star games are not conducive to SU basketball. Benny will never be a pro. He doesn’t do one thing that well that sets him up for an NBA career. He might end up being a really good four year college player and there’s nothing wrong with that.
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This post seems very contradictory. Starts off so positive and ends up so negative.
 
hoopsupstate said:
Chill people. August doesn’t count. We’ve had reports that we’re going to win the national championship in August and it didn’t happen. It means very little. All Star games are not conducive to SU basketball. Benny will never be a pro. He doesn’t do one thing that well that sets him up for an NBA career. He might end up being a really good four year college player and there’s nothing wrong with that.
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Right now I'm just hoping he plays hard, defends and works hard around the glass forget pro stuff. More than 7 or 8 a game would be gravy. All star practice or not he is still floating around and nothing looks like it's done with intensity and conviction. Good habits and bad habits translate. Doesn't matter the setting of the game it's about going out and playing like you plan to every night when you are a young player trying to develop. Hope we see that intensity at 1 today.
 
pearl31 said:
I mean, if you got tee and bees of all people basically saying "uh this doesn't look good folks"... uh yeah
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I hope he looks much better at 1. I don't even care about points. Effort, movement and confidence. Make open shots, catch the ball and flush it when given opportunity. Gotta do the first three before that.
 
Sinking feeling Benny might square peg for us. He would excel in more of a man to man, high transition offensive team. If we don't play some 3 guard, man-to-man defense, and get out in lots of transition; might be another struggle for him.
 
stlorange said:
That's not gonna cut it. I'm 6-4, 190 lbs and 69 years old, still play pick-up twice a week and I'm pretty confident I could get 4-5 rebounds and a put back or two playing 20 minutes. No blocks though--no more quickness when I jump--my mind knows when to jump but my legs are 2 seconds behind! LOL PS I can still dunk the ball with a running start--although just barely.
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Hang on you're 69 (nice) and can still dunk?

We need to see this in video. Sounds awesome.
 

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