Weitsman issues

[cliftonparksufan]

AW is all about risk. Some don’t care and want the competitive advantage of having a super booster, others have less risk and don’t want to get in trouble. I get both arguments however I don’t think we lost much by AW taking his ball and going home. Just my opinion

Time will tell. So far Red is off and running. However, you need a level playing field to compete with the winners.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

To say you would stop following SU's sports is a bit heavy handed. He was doing many of the same things as a lot of the good old boys at many successful universities.

Wake up to 2023. Not all money in college sports is 99.4% pure. Not that it ever was. It's just not $50 bills in Xmas cards anymore.

You fully misunderstand me. If someone wants to come in and pump $150 million into the program and do it quietly, I'm all for that. If the football team is suddenly a bunch of 5 stars driving Ferraris for unexplained reasons, I'm fine with that too.

However, I will not bend a knee and act grateful for the actions of someone who makes my "bad feeling about this" radar go off like crazy. There are more important things in my life than SU athletics.

 

[kcsu]

Good lord. It’s a sanction against a business. It’s an environmental regulation, not a criminal statute.

It feeds the narrative of those that don't realize that he is a huge fan and was trying to help and trying to do things the right way. If Kent would have reached out to him none of this would have had to happen. It's called respect.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

trying to do things the right way.

LOL

 

[orangefog]

LOL

NIL is/was the wild west. AW hired a lawyer to make sure that he was adhering to the rules. He was trying to stay within the rules. "The right way" is subjective. Some consider "the right way" to be quiet and behind the scenes. AW didn't want to do things that way. If done a different way, possibly we could have retained a potential large NIL donor and had things done in a more acceptable way to the university.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

NIL is/was the wild west. AW hired a lawyer to make sure that he was adhering to the rules. He was trying to stay within the rules. "The right way" is subjective. Some consider "the right way" to be quiet and behind the scenes. AW didn't want to do things that way. If done a different way, possibly we could have retained a potential large NIL donor and had things done in a more acceptable way to the university.

If NIL is/was the wild west, how is any lawyer supposed to actually know what the rules are?

Also, the University was just supposed to do things his way because he has the money? That's a recipe for success /s.

 

[orangefog]

If NIL is/was the wild west, how is any lawyer supposed to actually know what the rules are?

Also, the University was just supposed to do things his way because he has the money? That's a recipe for success /s.

A lawyer that was up to date on the NIL rules at the time and reviewed AW's intentions to make sure they complied. I didn't say the university was supposed to do things AW's way. But, don't you think that a conversation should have happened to discuss how the two parties may have come to a compromise? Even if a compromise couldn't be made, the discussion should have, don't you think?

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

A lawyer that was up to date on the NIL rules at the time and reviewed AW's intentions to make sure they complied. I didn't say the university was supposed to do things AW's way. But, don't you think that a conversation should have happened to discuss how the two parties may have come to a compromise? Even if a compromise couldn't be made, the discussion should have, don't you think?

Regarding the lawyer - I take your word for it.

Regarding the conversation with the University. Do we only have Weitsman's side of the story or the University's side of the story too?

 

[orangefog]

Regarding the lawyer - I take your word for it.

Regarding the conversation with the University. Do we only have Weitsman's side of the story or the University's side of the story too?

I only know AW's side of the story. He likes all the coaches and Wildhack, but he has never spoken to Kent.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

I only know AW's side of the story.

There in lies the problem. To take his side of the story at face value without the context available of what the line of thinking was from the University's standpoint is making a decision with only half the information available.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

If really rich people only have to pay fines when they break the law, then the law doesn't apply to them.

$400k for pollution lawlessness is a travesty.

It's significantly cheaper to pay the fine annually than to pay to upgrade the facility to actually follow the laws designed to protect us.

Except that’s not what happened at all.

 

[djcon57]

It feeds the narrative of those that don't realize that he is a huge fan and was trying to help and trying to do things the right way. If Kent would have reached out to him none of this would have had to happen. It's called respect.

Per his own words, he was not a huge fan. He offered due to his friendship with JB...alledgedly

All of this has happened, Weitsman says, despite the fact that he’s not that much of a college basketball fan.
“To be honest,” Weitsman said, “I’m really involved in basketball just because of the friendship with Coach.”

Hence, why people were questioning his motives.

Your proclaiming him being a huge fan seems to be feeding an incorrect narrative itself.

 

[Eric15]

He tried jumpstarting a clinically dead program, with his good friend's permission.

Best* friend's permission.

 

[orangefog]

There in lies the problem. To take his side of the story at face value without the context available of what the line of thinking was from the University's standpoint is making a decision with only half the information available.

Do you think AW is lying about not speaking to Kent? Because, that’s where, I believe, the problem is. It’s worth a meeting to discuss a compromise. How hard is it to simply thank him for his support over the years, but there are concerns that there may be repercussions from the NCAA if he continues to do things the way he has been? And, then offer an alternative.

 

[kcsu]

LOL

You really don't have a clue on this one.

 

[kcsu]

Per his own words, he was not a huge fan. He offered due to his friendship with JB...alledgedly

All of this has happened, Weitsman says, despite the fact that he’s not that much of a college basketball fan.
“To be honest,” Weitsman said, “I’m really involved in basketball just because of the friendship with Coach.”

Hence, why people were questioning his motives.

Your proclaiming him being a huge fan seems to be feeding an incorrect narrative itself.

He has been an SU fan for a long time. Bball I'm not sure about. Bottom line is we can all agree to disagree. I personally think the situation was handled poorly by SU.

 

[Cuse'91]

Do you think AW is lying about not speaking to Kent? Because, that’s where, I believe, the problem is. It’s worth a meeting to discuss a compromise. How hard is it to simply thank him for his support over the years, but there are concerns that there may be repercussions from the NCAA if he continues to do things the way he has been? And, then offer an alternative.

Seems fairly clear that the only way to effect Syracuse administration from their little bubble, is through legal action. LQA showed us that.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

You really don't have a clue on this one.

K.

 

[RF2044]

It feeds the narrative of those that don't realize that he is a huge fan and was trying to help and trying to do things the right way. If Kent would have reached out to him none of this would have had to happen. It's called respect.

How much money did AW donate to the university? I'm not talking about NIL contributions.

I know that he paid for a box. But if he wasn't a big donor, than why would Kent meet with him?

AW is a billionaire. He hob knobs with celebrities. He's probably not accustomed to people not accommodating him.

 

[djcon57]

He has been an SU fan for a long time. Bball I'm not sure about. Bottom line is we can all agree to disagree. I personally think the situation was handled poorly by SU.

No, there's no agree to disagree here. By his own words, he wasn't an SU fan a long time. He had never even attended a game.

"The situation". Sure. We can all agree to disagree there.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

Do you think AW is lying about not speaking to Kent? Because, that’s where, I believe, the problem is. It’s worth a meeting to discuss a compromise. How hard is it to simply thank him for his support over the years, but there are concerns that there may be repercussions from the NCAA if he continues to do things the way he has been? And, then offer an alternative.

I have no idea. I only have one person's side of the story.

 

[Cuseregular]

Both RF and Bayside have told you what the issue is in this thread and you keep poo pooing it, which is fine. Nothing is going to change your mind obviously.

what did I miss? Where was anything explained? This issue is this......many have inferred to me here and away from here that some horrible criminal type thing going on, and that's what trueblue suggests as well and that this is NOT the issue (Environmental) that had SU push him out. That it was NOT just the rapper/recruiting thing that RF, Bayside and others have referred to as well nor is it the finances of the box and security as that's NOT the issue either, but there's supposedly more and that more is nefarious.

That THAT is why they cut ties because of some unsaid, unspoken issue. That's my beef. If its the flashy style or the finances the thought on my end is work it out, then the ridiculous environmental thing is put up potentially as the big behind the scenes reason he was pushed out, only now it's something else.

Lots of BS is my perception. Just stop (SU and everyone else suggesting such) that there's more to the story when it appears there isn't. Enough. They, the critics, simply don't like his style and the repercussions to the university that it could bring, don't like him either and don't want him being a part of any of it. Fine. That's their right. Fine, get it. Keep it at that.

 

[pfister1]

I doubt many kids under the age of 30 even know who he is.

he played 14 seasons in the National Basketball Association (NBA) at both the shooting guard and point guard positions. Iverson won NBA Rookie of the Year Award in 1997 and was an 11-time NBA All-Star, won the All-Star game MVP award in 2001 and 2005, and was the NBA's Most Valuable Player (MVP) in 2001. He was inducted into the Naismith Memorial Basketball Hall of Fame in 2016. In October 2021, he was named to the NBA 75th Anniversary Team.[3] Iverson is often regarded as one of the greatest scorers and one of the most influential players in NBA history.


Do you mean that ^^^ Iverson? Only real black mark was that time he spent at Georgetown.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Per his own words, he was not a huge fan. He offered due to his friendship with JB...alledgedly

All of this has happened, Weitsman says, despite the fact that he’s not that much of a college basketball fan.
“To be honest,” Weitsman said, “I’m really involved in basketball just because of the friendship with Coach.”

Hence, why people were questioning his motives.

Your proclaiming him being a huge fan seems to be feeding an incorrect narrative itself.

I agree. If he’s such a great fan why did he try to burn everything down on the way out through Syracuse.com?

I generally respect what he has and had done for the area, but that’s where he lost me.

The guy cannot do anything quietly including going away. Everything needs to be broadcast as a PR win for him.

 

[LeMoyneCuse]

what did I miss? Where was anything explained? This issue is this...many have inferred to me here and away from here that some horrible criminal type thing going on, and that's what trueblue suggests as well and that this is NOT the issue (Environmental) that had SU push him out. That it was NOT just the rapper/recruiting thing that RF, Bayside and others have referred to as well nor is it the finances of the box and security as that's NOT the issue either, but there's supposedly more and that more is nefarious.

That THAT is why they cut ties because of some unsaid, unspoken issue. That's my beef. If its the flashy style or the finances the thought on my end is work it out, then the ridiculous environmental thing is put up potentially as the big behind the scenes reason he was pushed out, only now it's something else.

Lots of BS is my perception. Just stop (SU and everyone else suggesting such) that there's more to the story when it appears there isn't. Enough. They, the critics, simply don't like his style, don't like him either and don't want him being a part of any of it. Fine. That's their right. Fine, get it. Keep it at that.

Why do you need a magic bullet when the evidence suggests they were just tired of dealing with him?