What happens if Frazier (and Gross) muck this up?

[rrlbees]

I did not know that. That includes BCS bowls?

Yes, for now. They are considering a change for the future where the conference champ would get more.

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[anomander]

Yes, for now. They are considering a change for the future where the conference champ would get more.

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That would make sense. Still for now if the ACC gets Clemson in that's roughly an extra 500k.

Does anyone have the future ACC bowl tie ins? I tried searching I thought I remembered seeing a thread here

 

[Jake]

The ACC deal is maybe all the more reason to invite WSU. What if they wind up with Syracuse two years in a row? WSU is a good story too with the Leach/Texas Tech angle.

Thats not how it works in the land of bowl games. its all handshakes and politics...if the ACC has a deal next year, they'll get their team in the game this year if need be.

 

[TexanMark]

Hate to say it but Phil Steele could be right...we need Rutgers and SMU both lose to ensure a bowl...otherwise it looks like one P5 team is screwed. The thing screwing us up is the SunBelt has a secondary agreement with the Beef O'Brady Bowl, the MAC has secondary agreements w/ 4 bowls for this year: Poinsettia, New Mexico, Beef O'Brady's, and BBVA Compass.

I'm leaning to Dallas now...but don't underestimate the Mike Leach Factor...a ton of TX Tech fans in Dallas...but will they go out of their way to buy a ticket. If North Texas is the other team they will bring 20k I figure...Cuse might bring 3-5k...will DFW area bring another 15k to make it look decent on TV?

Now you know why I was pissed about all these MAC teams getting to 6-6...also WSU and Miss ST hurt us too.

 

[orange79]

Hate to say it but Phil Steele could be right...we need Rutgers and SMU both lose to ensure a bowl...otherwise it looks like one P5 team is screwed. The thing screwing us up is the SunBelt has a secondary agreement with the Beef O'Brady Bowl, the MAC has secondary agreements w/ 4 bowls for this year: Poinsettia, New Mexico, Beef O'Brady's, and BBVA Compass.

Who do you see as 'on the bubble' - the P5 teams who cold be screwed? I assume Pitt and SU in the ACC. Who else?

 

[TexanMark]

Who do you see as 'on the bubble' - the P5 teams who cold be screwed? I assume Pitt and SU in the ACC. Who else?

Washington St and Maryland.

Also, one more thing to root for: UCF to finish ahead of the NIU in the BCS standings...and for NIU to finish no higher than #17.

 

[upperdeck]

tickets to the game dont mean anything. every bowl makes the school buy tickets and probably we would be in the hook for 15-20K no matter what. the question is who would spend more money 3-5k of SU fans who fly in or 20K of N texas fans who drive in. locals are not buying 2-3 nights of hotel and food

 

[jr4750]

The ACC splits bowl revenues evenly among league schools (less expenses). So while there is an incentive to secure bowl slots for as many conference schools as possible (which perhaps includes using their leverage in Dallas), the bowl payout has little direct financial impact on the ACC team playing in it.

Any idea what the additional revenue to the ACC would be this year with FSU in the National Championship game? Went back and googled that David Teele article that spoke of this from May of 2013 and it didn't have the actual payout per team per year. With one team in the NC and another (Clemson) perhaps in a BCS, not to mention, possibly 11 of 14 teams in bowls, this has got to be the biggest payout in the history of the ACC, no??

I left out ND too, not sure their bowl payouts get counted...

 

[rrlbees]

That would make sense. Still for now if the ACC gets Clemson in that's roughly an extra 500k. Does anyone have the future ACC bowl tie ins? I tried searching I thought I remembered seeing a thread here

I know next year they start a tie in with the Beef O Brady.

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[TexanMark]

tickets to the game dont mean anything. every bowl makes the school buy tickets and probably we would be in the hook for 15-20K no matter what. the question is who would spend more money 3-5k of SU fans who fly in or 20K of N texas fans who drive in. locals are not buying 2-3 nights of hotel and food

North TX would be our opponent...we are potentially competing against Wash St. for an at-large spot in the Dallas Bowl

Actually having UNT (North TX) is helpful in this case as they will be a local team to help fill seats and Cuse or Wash St. will bring the P5 and TV eyeballs.

 

[upperdeck]

3 years ago Maryland was in the military bowl , 38K showed up with 2 local teams. 2years before maryland played in the humanitarian bowl 26K, the year before they played in San fran and 32K. Maryland brings no one and . N Texas/maryland would not get 30K and sell no hotel rooms.

 

[upperdeck]

North TX would be our opponent...we are potentially competing against Wash St. for an at-large spot in the Dallas Bowl

so SU needs to step up and make a better offer on ticket sales. will they ante up money for the bigger picture?

 

[rrlbees]

Hate to say it but Phil Steele could be right...we need Rutgers and SMU both lose to ensure a bowl...otherwise it looks like one P5 team is screwed. The thing screwing us up is the SunBelt has a secondary agreement with the Beef O'Brady Bowl, the MAC has secondary agreements w/ 4 bowls for this year: Poinsettia, New Mexico, Beef O'Brady's, and BBVA Compass. I'm leaning to Dallas now...but don't underestimate the Mike Leach Factor...a ton of TX Tech fans in Dallas...but will they go out of their way to buy a ticket. If North Texas is the other team they will bring 20k I figure...Cuse might bring 3-5k...will DFW area bring another 15k to make it look decent on TV? Now you know why I was pissed about all these MAC teams getting to 6-6...also WSU and Miss ST hurt us too.

You're a worry wart.

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[TexanMark]

You're a worry wart.

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You are saying Beef O'Brady and the MAC has the secondary agreement...the bowl is not going to break a contract just to get a name team.

We need UCF to win big

we need Rutgers to lose or NIU to lose to help. A close NIU win might be enough if UCF wins big...I have a feeling some voters will not vote NIU as high as they haven't been winning huge the last game or two.

 

[Consigliere]

Hate to say it but Phil Steele could be right...we need Rutgers and SMU both lose to ensure a bowl...otherwise it looks like one P5 team is screwed. The thing screwing us up is the SunBelt has a secondary agreement with the Beef O'Brady Bowl, the MAC has secondary agreements w/ 4 bowls for this year: Poinsettia, New Mexico, Beef O'Brady's, and BBVA Compass.

Steele's projection not only considers the multiple tie ins for non-P5 conferences but ALSO projects 7-5 Toledo and Ohio teams getting open, at-large bids from bowls where contracted P5 conferences can;t fill with a bowl eligible team. Struggle with that logic.

 

[JoeSU]

Any idea what the additional revenue to the ACC would be this year with FSU in the National Championship game? Went back and googled that David Teele article that spoke of this from May of 2013 and it didn't have the actual payout per team per year. With one team in the NC and another (Clemson) perhaps in a BCS, not to mention, possibly 11 of 14 teams in bowls, this has got to be the biggest payout in the history of the ACC, no??

I left out ND too, not sure their bowl payouts get counted...

Sorry, I don't have any further info. I was going on the Teele article as well, which CuseLagacy brought to my attention in another thread.

Considering the ACC hasn't been able to fill its bowl slots in 3 of the last 4 years, I would think this year is shaping up to be a record (especially if all 11 teams end up in bowls).

 

[anomander]

North TX would be our opponent...we are potentially competing against Wash St. for an at-large spot in the Dallas Bowl

Actually having UNT (North TX) is helpful in this case as they will be a local team to help fill seats and Cuse or Wash St. will bring the P5 and TV eyeballs.

Mark don't you think the ACC having a bowl tie in with the Heart of Dallas bowl going forward would help us get the spot instead of Washington St? You would think they would take care of the conference they have reached a future agreement with? Not to mention the game will be televised on ESPN

 

[sabach]

Is that what Mark was saying? My understanding of what Mark was saying is that the secondary agreements are hurting us and those open at large slots really aren't open because of those MAC secondary agreements.

 

[Chris02M]

By my count even if we do not get an ACC tied bowl and Clemson does NOT get the Sugar Bowl bid there are six open slots (seven if Rutgers loses) and other than Cuse 3 teams from BCS conferences eligible. Notre Dame makes four. That means all four of those schools (Washington State the weakest) PLUS two from other conferences (Toledo, Ohio and Arkansas State the only teams with better than 6-6 records) would need to receive bids to leave us out.

Unfortunately that is exactly what Phil Steele projects this morning.

http://www.philsteele.com/bowls/13-14/bowlprojections.html

Clemson is in line for the orange bowl bid not sugar bowl

 

[Chris02M]

Mark don't you think the ACC having a bowl tie in with the Heart of Dallas bowl going forward would help us get the spot instead of Washington St? You would think they would take care of the conference they have reached a future agreement with? Not to mention the game will be televised on ESPN

we don't have a future bowl agreement with heart of dallas bowl as far as my knowledge but Washington state I highly doubt we would get passed over for them

 

[sabach]

I still think Syracuse would get an invite to the Heart of Dallas bowl ahead of Washington St. The ACC is about to enter a bowl tie-in agreement with that bowl next season vs an SEC school. Why would the HoD people help the PAC12 out ahead of the ACC? Makes no sense

Do you have a link for this future agreement? I'm not saying I disagree but I can't find anything saying this.

 

[Chris02M]

That would make sense. Still for now if the ACC gets Clemson in that's roughly an extra 500k.

Does anyone have the future ACC bowl tie ins? I tried searching I thought I remembered seeing a thread here

I have the bowl tie ins and HOD isn't one.

1-cfb playoff/orange bowl/access bowl
2-capital one bowl vs sec( when big 10 is in orange bowl)
3-russell athletic bowl vs big 12 #3

group of 4 bowls :
gator bowl /Music city bowl 3 times each vs sec
sun bowl vs pac 12 #5
belk bowl vs sec #3-8
pinstripe bowl vs big 10 #5-7

military bowl vs aac
independence vs sec #10/cusa
Detroit bowl vs big 10
beef bowl (in 2014 and 2016)vs aac and back up deal if aac/cusa can't fill
Birmingham(ie pitt bowl) vs sec/aac as backup deal if either can't field a team

 

[anomander]

Do you have a link for this future agreement? I'm not saying I disagree but I can't find anything saying this.

I don't know why I thought that was a tie in my bad

I have the bowl tie ins and HOD isn't one.

1-cfb playoff/orange bowl/access bowl
2-capital one bowl vs sec( when big 10 is in orange bowl)
3-russell athletic bowl vs big 12 #3

group of 4 bowls :
gator bowl /Music city bowl 3 times each vs sec
sun bowl vs pac 12 #5
belk bowl vs sec #3-8
pinstripe bowl vs big 10 #5-7

military bowl vs aac
independence vs sec #10/cusa
Detroit bowl vs big 10
beef bowl (in 2014 and 2016)vs aac and back up deal if aac/cusa can't fill
Birmingham(ie pitt bowl) vs sec/aac as backup deal if either can't field a team

thanks Chris. that's pretty damn confusing if you ask me.

 

[chakka3421]

Clemson is in line for the orange bowl bid not sugar bowl

Yes the 2nd best ACC team, if top team is in NC, has a lock on the Orange is my understanding. That is a huge help to us assuming FSU soundly beats Duke next week. Rutgers losing would really help too for many reasons.

Bigger question - isn't it in the ACCs best interest to get as many of its teams in a bowl just because as a conference it maximizes 2 things - shared $$$ most importantly and increased exposure for ACC football.

So taking a step back from the ledge I guess I'm just going to have to wait and see on this one and let the Doctor work his magic behind the scenes to sell the team as it is his job to do.

 

[TexanMark]

Mark don't you think the ACC having a bowl tie in with the Heart of Dallas bowl going forward would help us get the spot instead of Washington St? You would think they would take care of the conference they have reached a future agreement with? Not to mention the game will be televised on ESPN

I hope so...the ACC is 100% ESPN and the PAC12 isn't. Just that the Mike Leach Tie-in might drive some extra ticket sales. Bottomline: it looks like one P5 team is SOL if NIU gets a BCS Bowl and/or Rutgers winning. SMU could upset UCF also and get to 6 wins to really mess things up.

We need to root for a convincing UCF win and a Rutgers Loss. Also would like to see NIU not make a BCS Bowl.