Wildhack is on the Clock

[cusefan88]

I think they want him to be a bigger part. From managing the Nil to managing our recruiting. That is my sense anyway.

Sorry I meant finding transfers was a big part and coaching matters a ton. I absolutely agree with you and NBA front office background should be in charge and he hopefully can put his mark on the program.

 

[rrlbees]

"Sac State does not have anything close to $50 million (2.5 X Ohio State's roster) in NIL money." - Stewart Mandel

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[dasher]

Grant has been present at NIL events for Red.

I am very happy to hear that. We need to hit others up as well.

 

[littlereg]

most of us aren’t saying NIL isn’t a PART of the issue. Coaching, talent evaluation, roster management, NIL, School $$ allocation are all pieces of the pie. It just gets exhausting and old having NIL be labeled the only thing and used as an excuse and mask for the other issues. People just want it straight up. Like cusefan said I’m not convinced we’d be much better with another million or two in NIL because of all those other issues. There’s multiple schools all over the country with worse NIL situations than us performing levels above us from the a-10 , MW, WCC, etc.

 

[BillSU]

losing JJ is like losing Kyle He is without a doubt the leader of the team and the best player. Yes, better and more valuable than Donnie at this point. Not pro potential but to Syracuse this year. With JJ we might have won the last two games. Red isn't getting fired after this season He will however get fired after the next one if he doesn't significantly improve.

Agreed! Terrible that JJ hurt himself at this point in the season and yes, I also think we would have won
the last two had he been able to play. Bad times for us right now on the BB front. I would also be out looking for an experienced available coach if Red can't put 2and 2 together.

 

[jdubs30]

3 players on Tenn get more NIL money than our entire team. I brought this up a while back. We have done a terrible job with NIL. We are lucky we have Fran. He is a force to be reckoned with and our NIL has grown in football because of him. Right now, we are going to be fortunate to hold on to Moore and Freeman. Let alone strike gold in the portal next year. If we could hold to them, with the frosh class, and do better in the portal, good not great, we could be pretty good next year.

But we were told their was a portal PG who we’d be getting next year ……

 

[wiCuse]

most of us aren’t saying NIL isn’t a PART of the issue. Coaching, talent evaluation, roster management, NIL, School $$ allocation are all pieces of the pie. It just gets exhausting and old having NIL be labeled the only thing and used as an excuse and mask for the other issues. People just want it straight up. Like cusefan said I’m not convinced we’d be much better with another million or two in NIL because of all those other issues. There’s multiple schools all over the country with worse NIL situations than us performing levels above us from the a-10 , MW, WCC, etc.

This is spot on. NIL is such a small part of the issue right now. We have no identity and are so poorly coached. Please explain the sustained success at Wisconsin or Dayton. Schools with limited NIL budgets, who also pull in 3 star recruits and do well on a regular basis. It comes down to coaching.

 

[dasher]

But we were told their was a portal PG who we’d be getting next year ……

I think they will go after a portal pt guard this year. After Carlos, I'm scared.

 

[AZOrange]

Grant has been present at NIL events for Red.

Saw Jerami last night. We sat courtside and he saw my kids Cuse jersey. He smiled, waved and said “I see you buddy”. He’s criminally underused

 

[IthacaMatt]

OJT?

On the Job Training

 

[Cuseball]

I’m sure it is. He travels the country meeting with groups. He also does appearances for university groups like IMPACT at Whitman. His role is fundraising and engagement but I’m sure it’s not NIL driven. It’s school and AD driven.

Autry needs to be the face of the program and the face of all of the NIL efforts. He needs to drum excitement and he needs to be the one constantly calling and meeting with donors to sell his vision.

My dad is a Legends Society donor. Guess who called him twice this summer while on recruiting trips in his car. Coach Fran Brown who is clearly busier than Autry took time out of his schedule to try and drum up more support for the program. He talked about the kids, DART and his vision for the program. The head coach job in today’s environment is recruiting players (high school, portal etc) and recruiting NIL donors . The coach needs to energetic and a believable and relentless salesman. If Autry isn’t capable of this then it’s another mark against him.

 

[rrlbees]

Autry needs to be the face of the program and the face of all of the NIL efforts. He needs to drum excitement and he needs to be the one constantly calling and meeting with donors to sell his vision.

My dad is a Legends Society donor. Guess who called him twice this summer while on recruiting trips in his car. Coach Fran Brown who is clearly busier than Autry took time out of his schedule to try and drum up more support for the program. He talked about the kids, DART and his vision for the program. The head coach job in today’s environment is recruiting players (high school, portal etc) and recruiting NIL donors . The coach needs to energetic and a believable and relentless salesman. If Autry isn’t capable of this then it’s another mark against him.

Im sure your dad didn’t get a call if you say he didn’t, but I know numerous donors who got calls from red and/or Alex. I guess it hasn’t been 100% but many are legends society members. Some also said they got calls from reps of Fran and not necessarily Fran himself.

 

[kirbivore]

NIL has destroyed NCAA Sports

Maybe, but adapt or die. SU basketball is far too reactive and will slide further into irrelevance.

 

[Cusefan0307]

A classic follow a trend show we're doing something hire that is ultimately unqualified. He'll coast for a few years before getting fired.

Lazy take. Alex is not unqualified. He's the best hire we have made.

 

[kingtidge]

I think they will go after a portal pt guard this year. After Carlos, I'm scared.

Hopefully Kline will have better targets.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Hopefully Kline will have better targets.

Already helped us get the Aussie.

 

[MSOrange]

Lazy take. Alex is not unqualified. He's the best hire we have made.

Exactly. He's about the only thing that gives me any hope right now. There's plenty to justifiably criticize SU for over the years, but kirbivore seems to get off on repeating the same old stuff over and over again though whether it makes sense or not.

 

[RF2044]

I’m not convinced we would be much better if we had another 2 million in NIL. We might have a better point guard and someone besides Lucas Taylor, but we still would have the rest of the same team that plays poor defense and doesn’t appear to play hard. If fans think NIL fix all our problems they are sadly mistaken.

I think that there was a hope that Red and this staff would recruit better than JB at the end, with the notion that Jimmy's and Joe's were more important than X's and O's. In other words, get better players, and the results will improve.

And that seemed reasonable, given that Red was an inexperienced HC, who couldn't be expected to coach like a season vet right away, and that Straughn was purported to be a bulldog recruiter.

With all due respect to Freeman, White, Anthony, and Fennel, results have probably been mixed, at best.

Otherwise, agree with the rest of your post.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I think that there was a hope that Red and this staff would recruit better than JB at the end, with the notion that Jimmy's and Joe's were more important than X's and O's. In other words, get better players, and the results will improve.

And that seemed reasonable, given that Red was an inexperienced HC, who couldn't be expected to coach like a season vet right away, and that Straughn was purported to be a bulldog recruiter.

With all due respect to Freeman, White, Anthony, and Fennel, results have probably been mixed, at best.

Otherwise, agree with the rest of your post.

HS recruiting has ticked up for sure, but the portal has been terrible outside of JJ and Davis.

 

[DilemaCuse]

How did Uconn get past the obstacle that their Athletic Dept was in the Red from lost football revenue to win 2 bball titles? Coaching, player evaluation, outworking JB on the recruiting trail, good assistant hires and some patience with Hurley. They had to poach Hurly from URI and had to pay for that and couldn't be too quick triggered to fire him and pay him off due to their situation but their patience paid off.

Contrast to our situation, we didnt have to pay to poach Autry from anyone so if the results aren't there being its a results business, why are we keeping him? we cant seriously be that cheap to not pay any nominal buyout on his contract.

For those saying we need to keep him for next years recruiting class, I agree HS recruiting has improved and next class looks decent but what gives you confidence that he can max out the results with that talent? Many think it would be wasted. I use the phrase giving talented players to a sub par coach is like handing the keys of a corvette to a teenager. Risky

 

[Gotothehole]

How did Uconn get past the obstacle that their Athletic Dept was in the Red from lost football revenue to win 2 bball titles? Coaching, player evaluation, outworking JB on the recruiting trail, good assistant hires and some patience with Hurley. They had to poach Hurly from URI and had to pay for that and couldn't be too quick triggered to fire him and pay him off due to their situation but their patience paid off.

Contrast to our situation, we didnt have to pay to poach Autry from anyone so if the results aren't there being its a results business, why are we keeping him? we cant seriously be that cheap to not pay any nominal buyout on his contract.

For those saying we need to keep him for next years recruiting class, I agree HS recruiting has improved and next class looks decent but what gives you confidence that he can max out the results with that talent? Many think it would be wasted. I use the phrase giving talented players to a sub par coach is like handing the keys of a corvette to a teenager. Risky

Texas Tech's Kirby Hocutt one of first ADs to detail distribution of the $20.5M rev-share by sport:FB $15.1M (74%)MBB $3.6M (17.5%)WBB $410K (2%)BSB $390K (1.9%)Others $920K (4.5%)90% to FB/MBB will be standard across P4, as reported here last month. This is how it works

 

[Blanko97]

If we’re so much better than why was ND predicted to finish ahead of us in the ACC? This is who we are. Fans want more but until Red upgrades the talent level we are still below ND.

We were picked behind ND because red isnt a good coach and the other coaches know that. yes, this team isn't super talented but the lack of in game adjustments, understanding of player strengths, defensive cohesiveness, lineup management and offensive setups are why they are unable to pull away from inferior teams and lose to a bad ND team. Rain down all the talent excuses you want but plenty of teams don't look outmatched against Lemoyne despite having significantly less talent (see Cal State Fullerton). IN fact, Notre Dame plays Le Moyne on Sunday, lets see if they find a way to stop the offensive juggernaut.

 

[djcon57]

If we’re so much better than why was ND predicted to finish ahead of us in the ACC? This is who we are. Fans want more but until Red upgrades the talent level we are still below ND.

Can we all agree making the tournament at large is the bare minimum expectation this season

The tournament should be the bare minimum regardless of what the roster is. You should be able to put together a tournament caliber roster at Syracuse university Our roster is better than most ACC teams. Besides Duke and Carolina, what other team in the ACC will start two McDonald’s All...

syracusefan.com

This is what YOU said in October

"Our roster is better than most ACC teams. Besides Duke and Carolina, what other team in the ACC will start two McDonald’s All Americans? We have a center who’s played in three NCAA tournaments and we have the best shooter in the ACC in Bell. We have a 7’4” backup center and a bunch of swing players. This team has experience and depth. I think they will finish between three and five in the conference. "

...so which is it...

Were you wrong then or now?

Some of the confusion on my end is some folks here flip/flop so much I'm confused on what their opinion is.

Just to clarify...My opinion before the season was the roster was lacking but I thought we could be a bubble team at best. I was scared, appears rightfully so, some folks here were building up the team way too high.

Where I WAS WRONG was I thought Red was a better coach that what he's shown so far, add in some injuries and guys not playing up to par...which results in where we are now

 

[hoopsupstate]

Can we all agree making the tournament at large is the bare minimum expectation this season

The tournament should be the bare minimum regardless of what the roster is. You should be able to put together a tournament caliber roster at Syracuse university Our roster is better than most ACC teams. Besides Duke and Carolina, what other team in the ACC will start two McDonald’s All...

syracusefan.com

This is what YOU said in October

"Our roster is better than most ACC teams. Besides Duke and Carolina, what other team in the ACC will start two McDonald’s All Americans? We have a center who’s played in three NCAA tournaments and we have the best shooter in the ACC in Bell. We have a 7’4” backup center and a bunch of swing players. This team has experience and depth. I think they will finish between three and five in the conference. "

...so which is it...

Were you wrong then or now?

Some of the confusion on my end is some folks here flip/flop so much I'm confused on what their opinion is.

Just to clarify...My opinion before the season was the roster was lacking but I thought we could be a bubble team at best. I was scared, appears rightfully so, some folks here were building up the team way too high.

Where I WAS WRONG was I thought Red was a better coach that what he's shown so far, add in some injuries and guys not playing up to par...which results in where we are now

A little bit of both. I was counting on JJ and Bell playing like all ACC type players. One has and the other hasn’t. If the two of them performed at a high level, the other pieces could fit. Since one is not playing at all and the other is barely comatose, it explains a lot of our problems.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Were you wrong then or now?

That’s the thing when dreaming on a roster/recruits. It’s all sunshine and daisies until the games start and then it’s the players fault for the team not performing up to the fantasy.