Wildhack is on the Clock

[BillSU]

It sends a bad message to the coaching industry? What in the world does that mean?

Yes, what does that mean?

 

[CuseCPT]

I think he's saying coaches would be leery of coming here because it would create the perception that we are unreasonable and a bad place to take a job as a coach. I don't think that's the case, but I think that's what he is saying.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

You cannot fire the coach mid-season.

Red is a Syracuse guy; we all want him to be successful. That said, and putting NIL aside, like the announcers said in the first half, "This looks like an AAU game," and for the Orange it stayed that way and got even more so in the second half. I am admittedly old anf the guys I play with are old but we play defense and the game with more passion and pride than I see on the court for SU. I am starting to think it was Mintz, and others on some occasions, that won 20 last year not because of the coach but in spite of the coach

Let's talk February 28 or March, 2025. That may need to be another story.

Despite popular thinking, you actually can fire a coach mid-season. It’s very rare and Syracuse won’t do it in this situation, at least not yet.

However, if Red is 8-20 headed into the last week of the year, I can see the school making an announcement that he will not be retained for 2025-26.

But the most likely outcome is Red is fired after the end of the regular season.

This will be a long 3 months. I recommend complete and total apathy. Come back in early March so we can all start discussing the coaching search and once again get hopeful for the future of Syracuse basketball.

 

[bnoro]

When there's less than 10k in the dome for every game between now and senior night, the AD will not be able to hide. Money talks and Red is toast.

Dion Waiters highlights came up on my IG the other day and we were ranked in the top 10 in almost every single clip. It's like watching a different sport, and it truly feels like we'll never get back there.

Is this what Nebraska football feels like?

 

[DilemaCuse]

It doesn't look good right now, but it's too early to panic or to make any changes.

You have to give the new staff time to recruit and to develop the talent.

Too early to panic?

We're 0-6 against the power 5.

Is this a serious or sarcasm post?

 

[dcw914]

Despite popular thinking, you actually can fire a coach mid-season. It’s very rare and Syracuse won’t do it in this situation, at least not yet.

However, if Red is 8-20 headed into the last week of the year, I can see the school making an announcement that he will not be retained for 2025-26.

But the most likely outcome is Red is fired after the end of the regular season.

This will be a long 3 months. I recommend complete and total apathy. Come back in early March so we can all start discussing the coaching search and once again get hopeful for the future of Syracuse basketball.

Is him being let go at the end of the year actually a likely outcome though? I have a hard time thinking Wildhack and the University won't give him one more year, even if they end up with a record as bad as 10-18. When you factor in the financial implications of firing him + hiring someone new, the 2025 recruiting class, and potential backlash from Syracuse former players/staff, I just feel like the odds of him getting another year are significantly higher than not.

 

[RF2044]

Too early to panic?

We're 0-6 against the power 5.

Is this a serious or sarcasm post?

x1000

 

[kcsu]

I don't think people realize how impactful Juda Mintz was on this team...he could drive us cazy but he could penetrate and score which made guys like Bell, Starling and others much more effective and helped us win 20 games ...maybe we should have paid him big bucks to stay

Ah I did. He was a stud last year and took crap from half the board because he didn't pass enough. Put Judah and Q on this team JJ healthy and we are solid. Crazy that we ended up with Dry Rub and a Carlos. I have no idea what anyone was thinking. Eddie doesn't fit what Red wants to do which is get up and down. Sure, he is a good passer, but he is a half-court player who can't defend the rim. Really bad pick. I know Carlos was the consolation prize but geez the kid should be playing for Maine or Gmac. This roster makes zero sense. Nothing fits.

 

[Scooch]

The reality is that as an organization the University simply cannot fire a coach after one relatively decent year and eleven games into the second year of a contract.

It costs money. It sends a bad message to the coaching industry. It presents to the basketball world an unstable program that will not attract talent. It is just not the way to do business - no matter how emotional the fans or the members of this board may get about the situation.

Organizations that quickly fire coaches are generally not successful ones. Organizations that show patience and help the coach attract and develop talent over time are generally successful ones.

If Autry is violating rules or mistreating players or engaging in activity that might embarrass the University, then make a change.

But, if it is simply a matter of building a program, patience - rather than changing coaches after less than a year an a half - is the better way to go.

Okay, now really let me have it!

Not 11 games in. That’d be silly.

But if this year ends up being the catastrophe it might be, then there’s every logical reason to let Autry go.

There has to be some semblance of standards at a P4 program that has a rich, successful history.

Autry was given an incredible gift to be hired as HC of Syracuse. His resume certainly didn’t warrant the hiring.

If this season ends with 20+ losses, which seems entirely possible at the moment, then no one would be surprised if he’s let go.

It has nothing to do with emotions. That’s a cop out. It has everything to do with competence. We’re seeing very little of it right now.

Good organizations make tough decisions when it’s necessary. I’ve been in several circumstances where an executive was clearly a bad hire very early in their tenure. Too often the company left them in their position, and a tremendous amount of damage was done before the plug was inevitably pulled.

Patience is one thing, negligence is quite another.

 

[OrlandoCuse]

Is him being let go at the end of the year actually a likely outcome though? I have a hard time thinking Wildhack and the University won't give him one more year, even if they end up with a record as bad as 10-18. When you factor in the financial implications of firing him + hiring someone new, the 2025 recruiting class, and potential backlash from Syracuse former players/staff, I just feel like the odds of him getting another year are significantly higher than not.

The financial implications of keeping Red are much worse than firing him.

 

[Cusefan95]

It sends a bad message to the coaching industry? What in the world does that mean?

It’s a last-line defense when you can’t make an argument based on a coach’s actual performance. It’s absurd because we’re talking about a team that might be headed for single digit wins - this isn’t Nebraska firing Solich after a 10-3 football season. The idea that letting Red go might scare away good coaches is laughable - although they might not want to come for a bunch of other reasons (one being that JB will get his panties in a bunch if we fire Red and will actively work to sabotage a new hire…).

We may need to acknowledge that JB has gone from a huge asset for Syracuse to a massive liability.

 

[RF2044]

Not 11 games in. That’d be silly.

But if this year ends up being the catastrophe it might be, then there’s every logical reason to let Autry go.

There has to be some semblance of standards at a P4 program that has a rich, successful history.

Autry was given an incredible gift to be hired as HC of Syracuse. His resume certainly didn’t warrant the hiring.

If this season ends with 20+ losses, which seems entirely possible at the moment, then no one would be surprised if he’s let go.

It has nothing to do with emotions. That’s a cop out. It has everything to do with competence. We’re seeing very little of it right now.

Good organizations make tough decisions when it’s necessary. I’ve been in several circumstances where an executive was clearly a bad hire very early in their tenure. Too often the company left them in their position, and a tremendous amount of damage was done before the plug was inevitably pulled.

Patience is one thing, negligence is quite another.

Tremendous post.

 

[DilemaCuse]

If I was the dude who stepped up and paid for Eddie I'd never give this coach another cent of my money

Your post made me think of a new nickname for Lampkin

 

[JustPherU]

Ah I did. He was a stud last year and took crap from half the board because he didn't pass enough. Put Judah and Q on this team JJ healthy and we are solid. Crazy that we ended up with Dry Rub and a Carlos. I have no idea what anyone was thinking. Eddie doesn't fit what Red wants to do which is get up and down. Sure, he is a good passer, but he is a half-court player who can't defend the rim. Really bad pick. I know Carlos was the consolation prize but geez the kid should be playing for Maine or Gmac. This roster makes zero sense. Nothing fits.

He saw what twinkle toes from NC State did last year and thought he could replicate that.Lampkin is no DJ Burns

 

[Scooch]

Tremendous post.

Thank you. I just get annoyed to see the same old cliche things here: you’re all just “emotional”, you’re “entitled”, you all don’t understand what’s *really* happening behind the scenes.

The program is in a death spiral. I’d like nothing more than Autry to pull us out of it and be wildly successful.

But I used the term “negligence” purposefully. That’s what’s occurring right now. Negligent stewardship of the program.

 

[RF2044]

Thank you. I just get annoyed to see the same old cliche things here: you’re all just “emotional”, you’re “entitled”, you all don’t understand what’s *really* happening behind the scenes.

The program is in a death spiral. I’d like nothing more than Autry to pull us out of it and be wildly successful.

But I used the term “negligence” purposefully. That’s what’s occurring right now. Negligent stewardship of the program.

The hire was borderline negligence, although people rationalized that away. And here we are.

 

[SDjohn]

When there's less than 10k in the dome for every game between now and senior night, the AD will not be able to hide. Money talks and Red is toast.

Dion Waiters highlights came up on my IG the other day and we were ranked in the top 10 in almost every single clip. It's like watching a different sport, and it truly feels like we'll never get back there.

Is this what Nebraska football feels like?

It’s a lot like how I felt about Syracuse football…until they hired HCFB. I have been a ”Red” defender until, the last week or so. It’s clear his team doesn’t compete. I didn’t want to
lose Sadiq or Kiyan but if that’s the price to
pay so be it at this point.

 

[dcw914]

It doesn't look good right now, but it's too early to panic or to make any changes.

You have to give the new staff time to recruit and to develop the talent.

Here's the thing though. "Recruit and develop talent" doesn't mean what it used to. Times have changed in college basketball. It's rare to see players stick around even 3 years at this point. So the development of players over 2+ seasons is not the norm and should no longer be something that is factored into a coaches tenure of an extended period of time.

In today's landscape, a coach has to be thinking year to year, certainly no more than 2 years out. And that means its more important to bring in the right talent, and have a guy who actually knows how to coach them right away. Red aint that guy. Red has shown a complete inability to do either of those things. Is the sample size relatively small? I guess. But what could possibly inspire anyone to think Red will suddenly have a competent offense, aggressive and disciplined defense, or any sense of how to play winning basketball in year 3? I keep going back to that top recruits recent comments about a Red practice feeling like AAU Team Takeover... this is who he is, how he coaches, and that is very obviously not conducive to winning high level college basketball.

 

[baggerbob]

It’s a last-line defense when you can’t make an argument based on a coach’s actual performance. It’s absurd because we’re talking about a team that might be headed for single digit wins - this isn’t Nebraska firing Solich after a 10-3 football season. The idea that letting Red go might scare away good coaches is laughable - although they might not want to come for a bunch of other reasons (one being that JB will get his panties in a bunch if we fire Red and will actively work to sabotage a new hire…).

We may need to acknowledge that JB has gone from a huge asset for Syracuse to a massive liability.

After this year JB needs to be as far away from the program as possible. Time for him to spend some time traveling the world during basketball season.

 

[Cusefan95]

Thank you. I just get annoyed to see the same old cliche things here: you’re all just “emotional”, you’re “entitled”, you all don’t understand what’s *really* happening behind the scenes.

The program is in a death spiral. I’d like nothing more than Autry to pull us out of it and be wildly successful.

But I used the term “negligence” purposefully. That’s what’s occurring right now. Negligent stewardship of the program.

The “you don’t understand what’s really happening behind the scenes” annoys me the most. Because teams where decisions aren’t based on the on field performance, but “behind the scenes” stuff are train wreck organizations. An example of that would be the Jets who apparently make trades (or don’t make trades) based on Madden ratings. We’re like the New York Jets? I don’t think the people who say that stuff realize how damning an indictment that is of Syracuse University.

 

[hoopsupstate]

It sends a bad message to the coaching industry? What in the world does that mean?

It means coaches don’t go to schools who don’t give coaches a chance.

 

[JustPherU]

It means coaches don’t go to schools who don’t give coaches a chance.

Any coach worth a damn doesn’t care about that BS.Crazy talk!

 

[hoopsupstate]

Any coach worth a damn doesn’t care about that BS.Crazy talk!

Not true, especially if you already have a good job with security. Why take a risk with a knee jerk university!

 

[Scooch]

It means coaches don’t go to schools who don’t give coaches a chance.

Coaches follow the money and leveling up their opportunity.

Saying that a team/school will harm their standing with coaches if they fire someone is an old trope that’s never proven true.

 

[JustPherU]

Not true, especially if you already have a good job with security. Why take a risk with a knee jerk university!

Fantasy land stuff.