Wildhack is on the Clock

[Fly Rodder]

I don’t know where you’re going with this but I’m gonna push back some with facts about Kent and athletics. Just a few things off the top of my head.

1. He attends the occasional game, football and basketball.

2. Another poster, I forget the name, mentioned how they had access to some kind of senate? meeting minutes. In that, Kent was very pro athletics because he recognizes the value of strong athletics to admissions.

3. Like all schools, most facilities are funded by donations. But there is some risk because schools have to put up “seed” money and there’s always the risk of not being fully funded by donations. We have poured millions into facilities and Kent has let John and Pete do their job.

4. It seems like starting next year, schools are going to be on the hook for $22m to “pay” athletes. I have not heard anything yet about us being one of the schools to not fund that.

5. Maybe the best indicator is that he is the Chairperson of that national committee of senior college administrators trying to come up with a “better” way to organize NCAA sports and conferences.

He’s not anti athletics.

So it must be the fans. The coach is good, the players are good, the school is all in on athletics.

 

[rrlbees]

So it must be the fans. The coach is good, the players are good, the school is all in on athletics.

That’s exactly what I said.

 

[Fly Rodder]

That’s exactly what I said.

it’s what you mean.

 

[rrlbees]

it’s what you mean.

lol. Yep. That’s why I didn’t mention the fans, the coaches nor the players. Glad you could read my mind when I was addressing one specific topic.

 

[pokercuse08]

The hire was borderline negligence, although people rationalized that away. And here we are.

The main issue I had was no national search. If they did that and still hired Red, so be it. Of course Boeheim left them in a bit of a bind with the timing. It all is what it is now, he obviously needs to go and a full search needs to happen.

Then who cares? If SU isn’t committed to hoops then they might as well just churn through coaches every couple three years and see if one sticks.

And I don’t want a name guy anyway. I want a freaking bulldog who’s moving up, loves the grind, and wants to work 18 hour days. $2.5 mill would be a windfall for that guy.

Right and I think JW is correct to direct funds towards FB instead of hoops for several reasons, the biggest being that realignment is based on football not hoops.

If we get into the B1G when the dust settles, rebuilding our basketball program will be a breeze. If we don't, keeping it relevant will be a massive lift.

I see no way Red is here if he finishes with 10 wins or less. You can’t keep a coach in his second year that literally has the worst season in the past 55 years of Syracuse basketball. It’s incompetence if he’s allowed to keep his job.

Unless there's a huge buyout and exercising it would take money away from football.

This is where I'm at. We've long been borderline for the inevitable "super conference" situation and JW and KS seem keenly aware of that. Fran may not have been the *most* expensive hire, but in general they did not skimp on the many pieces of the football redo. I don't think they're going to skimp on the basketball redo either.

I don't think the ROI is as good pumping money into basketball as football. We know which one is driving 99% of realignment, plus every dollar we funnel into football has Fran's force multiplier on it.

It would help if our basketball program was top 25 right now, but it would still only be a cherry on top. It's also not like our basketball brand has a super high value regular season game to sell right now. Duke and UNC have two primetime highly rated games a year. The B1G/SEC aren't taking UConn or Georgetown so...

 

[Dinkyspond]

We can rehash the Maryland game over and over again but the thing that sticks in my mind is that we were down at one point 17-53. That is like Maryland playing a D2 team in an exhibition. The embarrassment has a reached a new low. I cannot fathom how far we have fallen.

 

[Red2003]

We can rehash the Maryland game over and over again but the thing that sticks in my mind is that we were down at one point 17-53. That is like Maryland playing a D2 team in an exhibition. The embarrassment has a reached a new low. I cannot fathom how far we have fallen.

We were averaging a turnover a minute for the first part of the game. It's almost hard to do that and Maryland was in no way playing some crazy defense.

 

[atlanticuse]

It might not have been bad for the lacrosse programs. Elevated their competition and attractiveness for recruits.

is lacrosse "revenue" ?

 

[OrangeinBoston]

I don’t know where you’re going with this but I’m gonna push back some with facts about Kent and athletics. Just a few things off the top of my head.

1. He attends the occasional game, football and basketball.

2. Another poster, I forget the name, mentioned how they had access to some kind of senate? meeting minutes. In that, Kent was very pro athletics because he recognizes the value of strong athletics to admissions.

3. Like all schools, most facilities are funded by donations. But there is some risk because schools have to put up “seed” money and there’s always the risk of not being fully funded by donations. We have poured millions into facilities and Kent has let John and Pete do their job.

4. It seems like starting next year, schools are going to be on the hook for $22m to “pay” athletes. I have not heard anything yet about us being one of the schools to not fund that.

5. Maybe the best indicator is that he is the Chairperson of that national committee of senior college administrators trying to come up with a “better” way to organize NCAA sports and conferences.

He’s not anti athletics.

Good post. Well, this is, after all, an internet message board where most everything posted is nonsense.

 

[FloridaCuse]

is lacrosse "revenue" ?

Good question.

 

[Cusefan78]

Good question.

Yeah right. Zero chance they are even remotely close to braking even

 

[hoopsupstate]

Spending $2,000,000 on a good point guard would solve a lot of problems here.

That’s not ever going to happen.

 

[SUfaninAZ]

Thank you. I just get annoyed to see the same old cliche things here: you’re all just “emotional”, you’re “entitled”, you all don’t understand what’s *really* happening behind the scenes.

The program is in a death spiral. I’d like nothing more than Autry to pull us out of it and be wildly successful.

But I used the term “negligence” purposefully. That’s what’s occurring right now. Negligent stewardship of the program.

I don’t even watch the games anymore it’s so bad.

 

[CuseBlock]

I’m graduating from Syracuse in the spring…. without an NCAA tournament appearance in my time on campus.

 

[dasher]

Leaving the Big East was the worst move for the Basketball Team haven’t been the same since.

So, you think we should have stayed in the big east? And written our football program off. And all the money we get from the ACC. Tell me more.

 

[dasher]

I don’t know where you’re going with this but I’m gonna push back some with facts about Kent and athletics. Just a few things off the top of my head.

1. He attends the occasional game, football and basketball.

2. Another poster, I forget the name, mentioned how they had access to some kind of senate? meeting minutes. In that, Kent was very pro athletics because he recognizes the value of strong athletics to admissions.

3. Like all schools, most facilities are funded by donations. But there is some risk because schools have to put up “seed” money and there’s always the risk of not being fully funded by donations. We have poured millions into facilities and Kent has let John and Pete do their job.

4. It seems like starting next year, schools are going to be on the hook for $22m to “pay” athletes. I have not heard anything yet about us being one of the schools to not fund that.

5. Maybe the best indicator is that he is the Chairperson of that national committee of senior college administrators trying to come up with a “better” way to organize NCAA sports and conferences.

He’s not anti athletics.

I've heard so much different from so many people that would be in a position to know things. Let's look at the facts. is the athletic program in a good place? We got somewhat lucky in the hiring of Fran Brown after staying with Dino for how long? Right now, the hoop program is a disaster. And the only thing we can judge our academic rating on is the U.S. news and world report where we have continued the slide that started with Nancy. I would be hard pressed to renew his contract with the information I have right now. And I might add, I don't find that all that impressive that he attends a game now and again.

 

[rrlbees]

I've heard so much different from so many people that would be in a position to know things. Let's look at the facts. is the athletic program in a good place? We got somewhat lucky in the hiring of Fran Brown after staying with Dino for how long? Right now, the hoop program is a disaster. And the only thing we can judge our academic rating on is the U.S. news and world report where we have continued the slide that started with Nancy. I would be hard pressed to renew his contract with the information I have right now. And I might add, I don't find that all that impressive that he attends a game now and again.

I only addressed him supposedly being anti athletics. You added the rest. And attending games was one of five items. All five are true. Doesn’t seem like someone anti athletics.

 

[dasher]

I only addressed him supposedly being anti athletics. You added the rest. And attending games was one of five items. All five are true. Doesn’t seem like someone anti athletics.

Well, taking money away from athletics and using it for a pet project, and I have that on pretty good sourcing, is not being pro athletics. Not in my mind anyway. I think he could have some troubles in his future. Not implying any Shawnigan's for his own benefit.

 

[PauliePeppas]

So, you think we should have stayed in the big east? And written our football program off. And all the money we get from the ACC. Tell me more.

I totally agree with you but playing devils advocate here. Where is this money going if nil sucks, we will struggle money wise to hire a legit hc with experience, and buses are being taken to away games….

 

[dasher]

I totally agree with you but playing devils advocate here. Where is this money going if nil sucks, we will struggle money wise to hire a legit hc with experience, and buses are being taken to away games….

Nil and the school's money are two different items as you know. I don't know where the
money is going. We shouldn't be taking the bus to NYC and Boston.

 

[PauliePeppas]

Nil and the school's money are two different items as you know. I don't know where the
money is going. We shouldn't be taking the bus to NYC and Boston.

For sure. Something is just “off” imo .

 

[oldpinepoint]

Well, taking money away from athletics and using it for a pet project, and I have that on pretty good sourcing, is not being pro athletics. Not in my mind anyway. I think he could have some troubles in his future. Not implying any Shawnigan's for his own benefit.

This is a big no no, it’s what got us in trouble back in the 90’s.

 

[Sbucketball]

Nil and the school's money are two different items as you know. I don't know where the
money is going. We shouldn't be taking the bus to NYC and Boston.

What’s the pet project?

 

[dasher]

What’s the pet project?

That, I don't know. Wish I did

 

[Scooch]

What’s the pet project?

We now have multiple people suggesting that the Chancellor is diverting funds from athletics to fund some shadowy project. But no one either knows what it is, or will say.

The weaponization of insider info shall continue!