Winston press conference tomorrow at 2pm

[JarHeadJim]

Winston press conference tomorrow at 2et. Is he charged or not. Weigh in with your opinion.

My opinion they aren't having a press conference to say he isn't being charged.

 

[bevosu]

I woulda thunk they'd wait until after the bowl games

 

[dinosaurbbq]

Winston press conference tomorrow at 2et. Is he charged or not. Weigh in with your opinion.

My opinion they aren't having a press conference to say he isn't being charged.

The prosecutor has already said a decision won't be made on whether he will be charged until after the 12/9 deadline for Heisman ballots. That reeks of a favor to help out Winston and the program given that accusations were made a year ago. So I can't imagine the press conference is for Winston to say he is being charged. I would think the press conference is an effort to avoid any Heisman balloters not putting Winston on the ballot due to the possibility of charges and that Winston will say that he is not guilty of any wrongdoing other than bad judgment for having consensual sex with his accuser who is pursuing charges for personal gain.

 

[Lou_C]

The prosecutor has already said a decision won't be made on whether he will be charged until after the 12/9 deadline for Heisman ballots. That reeks of a favor to help out Winston and the program given that accusations were made a year ago. So I can't imagine the press conference is for Winston to say he is being charged. I would think the press conference is an effort to avoid any Heisman balloters not putting Winston on the ballot due to the possibility of charges and that Winston will say that he is not guilty of any wrongdoing other than bad judgment for having consensual s e x with his accuser who is pursuing charges for personal gain.

The next favor that Meggs does for FSU football will be the first. They don't have that kind of relationship. He prosecutes football players to the fullest, even when there's an opportunity to do otherwise, and even when they are innocent and exonerated. No love lost there at all.

It works that way in Gainesville, but not in Tallahassee.

That said, Winston's lawyer is certainly pushing for a speedy resolution if a resolution is forthcoming. If there are not going to be charges filed, and they know that right now, of course it's in everybody's interest not to sit on that for several more weeks.

 

[oldpinepoint]

The next favor that Meggs does for FSU football will be the first. They don't have that kind of relationship. He prosecutes football players to the fullest, even when there's an opportunity to do otherwise, and even when they are innocent and exonerated. No love lost there at all.

It works that way in Gainesville, but not in Tallahassee.

That said, Winston's lawyer is certainly pushing for a speedy resolution if a resolution is forthcoming. If there are not going to be charges filed, and they know that right now, of course it's in everybody's interest not to sit on that for several more weeks.

What are you hearing Lou?

 

[Moontan]

I heard that the police investigation has been completed.

No idea how long it'll take them to take that to the DA nor how long it'll take the DA to present that to a grand jury, if he chooses to pursue the matter.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

The next favor that Meggs does for FSU football will be the first. They don't have that kind of relationship. He prosecutes football players to the fullest, even when there's an opportunity to do otherwise, and even when they are innocent and exonerated. No love lost there at all.

It works that way in Gainesville, but not in Tallahassee.

That said, Winston's lawyer is certainly pushing for a speedy resolution if a resolution is forthcoming. If there are not going to be charges filed, and they know that right now, of course it's in everybody's interest not to sit on that for several more weeks.

Thanks Lou for the heads up on that. I obviously don't know anything about Meggs' relationship with and attitude about the program and players. I assumed it is the same as most places, other than apparently FSU and certainly SU. At SU, the prosecuting attorney, and the press for that matter, goes after the players and the program as much as possible.

With that said, Winston would be a fool to hold a press conference to announce that there will be no charges brought against him. That is a press conference to be held and a message to be conveyed by the prosecuting attorney or police. He would essentially be daring the prosecuting attorney to come after him to demonstrate that it isn't his place to announce that. Prosecuting attorney can always file charges with the justification being that he hasn't presumed guilt and that it will be a jury's call after hearing all the evidence. However, it costs money to pursue a case for sexual assault or rape to a jury trial.

 

[javadoc]

Thanks Lou for the heads up on that. I obviously don't know anything about Meggs' relationship with and attitude about the program and players. I assumed it is the same as most places, other than apparently FSU and certainly SU. At SU, the prosecuting attorney, and the press for that matter, goes after the players and the program as much as possible.

With that said, Winston would be a fool to hold a press conference to announce that there will be no charges brought against him. That is a press conference to be held and a message to be conveyed by the prosecuting attorney or police. He would essentially be daring the prosecuting attorney to come after him to demonstrate that it isn't his place to announce that. Prosecuting attorney can always file charges with the justification being that he hasn't presumed guilt and that it will be a jury's call after hearing all the evidence. However, it costs money to pursue a case for s e x ual assault or rape to a jury trial.

The conference was scheduled by Meggs.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...orney-wraps-investigation-jameis-winston-case

 

[Lou_C]

What are you hearing Lou?

I don't hear much, but from the beginning nobody had intimated the existence of evidence that would have any chance of conviction. That doesn't mean there isn't some hidden bombshell indicating his guilt, just that in a case full of leaks, NOBODY has intimated that they know of such evidence.

However, not being able to get a conviction hasn't stopped this prosecutor in the past. He took a case against FSU DT Travis Johnson to trial on very weak evidence, and Johnson was acquitted in 30 minutes by an all-female jury. Johnson has been pretty vocal about his experience during this whole thing.

Right now, the only things that people are coming out with in terms of "sources say" or "I'm hearing" are that he won't be charged.

I tend to believe that Winston has a pretty compelling case for his innocence, based on the way the situation's been managed by Jimbo Fisher. He's taken all the first-team snaps in practice, he's been fully involved in everything, they've let him speak to the media (not about this obviously), and Jimbo and Candi Fisher have still had their kids around him. And Jimbo has vouched for him.

Now, I'm not saying Jimbo Fisher is Mr. Morality, we should know better than to give coaches too much credit in that area. But I am saying that Jimbo is Mr. Process, and this entire situation is about as far from the process as could be. I do not believe Jimbo Fisher would have rolled the dice on his QB getting arrested mid season if there was any chance that this was true, because of the way Fisher (like Saban) is all about controlling everything you can possibly control.

If this was a sketchy, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I can't believe Winston would ever have started. He could have easily been suspended for undisclosed team rules while this played out, as we had other very capable quarterbacks. It's not like Jimbo was coaching for his job this year or anything.

So my gut feeling has been, unless Jimbo was really kept in the dark about the details, that Winston must be in a pretty convincing and confident position.

But I'll be the first to say, who knows? There could be strong evidence/witnesses to his guilt that we haven't heard about, or even if there aren't, Meggs could charge just for the principle of the situation.

Finally, if he is being charged, it seems odd to call a presser rather than just arrest him. If he's being charged, we'll know before 2 I would think. I would have to imagine they'd have negotiated his surrender for tonight or tomorrow. I can't see how you could announce charges while a guy is walking around and could run. I guess flight is pretty unlikely in this scenario, but it still seems like an odd way to do it.

 

[retro44]

they had almost a full year to clear him....actions by Tallahassee P.D. smells of a cover-up.

Winston's lawyer first said he was not involved, then bam!!!! then comes the DNA evidence and his lawyer follows up with that we knew all along as he said it was consensual s ex. Then why didn't he offer that up in the first place.

Meggs did say he needed to interview one more person at the end of last week...Winston? And if Winston refused like most lawyers who say he should, then why wait to charge him.

gut feeling he will get charged.

 

[Lou_C]

Thanks Lou for the heads up on that. I obviously don't know anything about Meggs' relationship with and attitude about the program and players. I assumed it is the same as most places, other than apparently FSU and certainly SU. At SU, the prosecuting attorney, and the press for that matter, goes after the players and the program as much as possible.

Yeah, that's been one of the frustrating things about this, the automatic assumption that TPD and Meggs are protecting an FSU player just because that's business as usual. Even the TPD does not at all have a rep for looking the other way for FSU players, and have a rep for going after them. In this case the TPD is really taking a lot of heat for slow-playing the investigation, but that's just not the history there. That's just not the reality in Tallahassee. Not just talking smack, but that is the way it goes in Gainesville (see Aaron Hernandez, and I think national media types just lump it all together, but it couldn't be more different.

Just another example...everyone remembers the Peter Warrick/Laverneous Coles shopping discount. Now obviously, they were guilty, and that's fine that they were suspended. However, Meggs could have charged them individually for the amount of the discount they each got, which would have been a misdemeanor. However, he charged them jointly and combined the totals to go over $500, so it could be charged as a felony. Felony = missed games, misdemeanor does not. End of Warrick's sure Heisman trophy.

Now obviously, that changes nothing about what the guys did, and you pay the price. I'm not mad about it. However, does that seem like the actions of someone protecting FSU football's interests? Can you imagine how many places that would have never even gone anywhere at all, let alone felony charges?

I'm not even saying Meggs is wrong to take that approach. Only that it drives me crazy to see it portrayed opposite by national pundits that don't bother to look at the real record.

 

[Lou_C]

they had almost a full year to clear him....actions by Tallahassee P.D. smells of a cover-up.

Winston's lawyer first said he was not involved, then bam!!!! then comes the DNA evidence and his lawyer follows up with that we knew all along he said consensual s ex. Then why didn't he offer that up in the first place.

Meggs did say he needed to interview one more person at the end of last week...Winston? And if Winston refused like most lawyers who say he should, then why wait to charge him.

gut feeling he will get charged.

First of all, the TPD states that the accuser stopped cooperating, effectively stalling the investigation.

Second, Winston's lawyer never said he wasn't involved, just that he wasn't guilty. Their position, though not public, was always that they had consensual sex. Long before the DNA became public, even before the DNA was TAKEN, Winston's lawyers provided affidavits supporting Winston's position. Clearly, had those affidavits been that Winston did not have sex with her, and the DNA proved otherwise, Winston would be arrested by now, as well as probably the people that swore to false affidavits.

Instead, Winston's position never changed. The DNA didn't mean anything except to the public, because Winston's lawyer is the only one not leaking information. In retrospect, I think he SHOULD have leaked that their position was consensual sex, so the DNA didn't look like a bombshell. But he had no reason to expect evidence would be leaked (illegally) to the press.

Everything about your post is wrong, whether he is charged or not.

 

[CusefanATL]

790 the zone in ATL (jp peterson) reported that they arent filing charges

take that for what its worth.

 

[Lou_C]

What are you hearing Lou?

This is the type of stuff everyone is hearing:

Eric_Eggers ‏@Eric_Eggers 19m
If #Jameis gets charged 2moro it will be this towns best kept secret. And that's not how #Tallahassee works. All my contacts say no charges

 

[Moontan]

First of all, the TPD states that the accuser stopped cooperating, effectively stalling the investigation.

Rumor has it that she was strongly encouraged not to pursue the matter else the family's stay in Tallahassee would be less than pleasant.

 

[dinosaurbbq]

The conference was scheduled by Meggs.

http://espn.go.com/college-football...orney-wraps-investigation-jameis-winston-case

Damn misleading Post title! I read it literally to mean that Winston is holding the press conference instead of there simply being a conference about Winston and the situation. I wish I'd have looked at media today about it before responding. I read your link Javadoc -- thanks for that. Prosecutor is done evaluating and has obviously made a decision and will announce whether charges will be filed or not. My guess is no charges, but I think we'll know about noon tomorrow if there are news reports Winston has been arrested.

 

[retro44]

I'm just waiting for the accuser's family of hitting the airwaves tonight if they are not pressing charges. Seems strange that all these media people know this inside information and her lawyer doesn't know?

She seems to be very outspoken in this story, the lawyer that is.

 

[bnoro]

@richarddeitsch
Interesting planning for SportsCenter coming. Decision on Jameis Winston case hits 2pm ET on Thur. Will Ferrell co-hosts 6pm ET SC same day.

 

[Toga]

I have a totally open mind on this thing. From afar, the most damning fact is the woman sought help within hours. Unless she has some sort of history of being unbalanced - that's not a positive for Winston. That said, I don't know what the burden of proof is in a se xual assault case.

 

[baggerbob]

I don't hear much, but from the beginning nobody had intimated the existence of evidence that would have any chance of conviction. That doesn't mean there isn't some hidden bombshell indicating his guilt, just that in a case full of leaks, NOBODY has intimated that they know of such evidence.

However, not being able to get a conviction hasn't stopped this prosecutor in the past. He took a case against FSU DT Travis Johnson to trial on very weak evidence, and Johnson was acquitted in 30 minutes by an all-female jury. Johnson has been pretty vocal about his experience during this whole thing.

Right now, the only things that people are coming out with in terms of "sources say" or "I'm hearing" are that he won't be charged.

I tend to believe that Winston has a pretty compelling case for his innocence, based on the way the situation's been managed by Jimbo Fisher. He's taken all the first-team snaps in practice, he's been fully involved in everything, they've let him speak to the media (not about this obviously), and Jimbo and Candi Fisher have still had their kids around him. And Jimbo has vouched for him.

Now, I'm not saying Jimbo Fisher is Mr. Morality, we should know better than to give coaches too much credit in that area. But I am saying that Jimbo is Mr. Process, and this entire situation is about as far from the process as could be. I do not believe Jimbo Fisher would have rolled the dice on his QB getting arrested mid season if there was any chance that this was true, because of the way Fisher (like Saban) is all about controlling everything you can possibly control.

If this was a sketchy, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I can't believe Winston would ever have started. He could have easily been suspended for undisclosed team rules while this played out, as we had other very capable quarterbacks. It's not like Jimbo was coaching for his job this year or anything.

So my gut feeling has been, unless Jimbo was really kept in the dark about the details, that Winston must be in a pretty convincing and confident position.

But I'll be the first to say, who knows? There could be strong evidence/witnesses to his guilt that we haven't heard about, or even if there aren't, Meggs could charge just for the principle of the situation.

Finally, if he is being charged, it seems odd to call a presser rather than just arrest him. If he's being charged, we'll know before 2 I would think. I would have to imagine they'd have negotiated his surrender for tonight or tomorrow. I can't see how you could announce charges while a guy is walking around and could run. I guess flight is pretty unlikely in this scenario, but it still seems like an odd way to do it.

The one thing everyone is forgetting, is unless this is a slam-dunk conviction Florida can't afford another high profile trial. After the last 2 trials with Anthony, then the last with George Zimmerman, the state looks like a horse's a**. The rest of the country wouldn't believe a conviction, because of the recent past incompetence. So regardless of who the person is who has accused him, and whoever they might happen to know, after the George Zimmerman trial the state can't afford any more embarrassment. Its much easier to say that under the current law, the facts don't warrant going to trial.

 

[wfschrec]

I don't hear much, but from the beginning nobody had intimated the existence of evidence that would have any chance of conviction. That doesn't mean there isn't some hidden bombshell indicating his guilt, just that in a case full of leaks, NOBODY has intimated that they know of such evidence.

However, not being able to get a conviction hasn't stopped this prosecutor in the past. He took a case against FSU DT Travis Johnson to trial on very weak evidence, and Johnson was acquitted in 30 minutes by an all-female jury. Johnson has been pretty vocal about his experience during this whole thing.

Right now, the only things that people are coming out with in terms of "sources say" or "I'm hearing" are that he won't be charged.

I tend to believe that Winston has a pretty compelling case for his innocence, based on the way the situation's been managed by Jimbo Fisher. He's taken all the first-team snaps in practice, he's been fully involved in everything, they've let him speak to the media (not about this obviously), and Jimbo and Candi Fisher have still had their kids around him. And Jimbo has vouched for him.

Now, I'm not saying Jimbo Fisher is Mr. Morality, we should know better than to give coaches too much credit in that area. But I am saying that Jimbo is Mr. Process, and this entire situation is about as far from the process as could be. I do not believe Jimbo Fisher would have rolled the dice on his QB getting arrested mid season if there was any chance that this was true, because of the way Fisher (like Saban) is all about controlling everything you can possibly control.

If this was a sketchy, maybe he did, maybe he didn't, I can't believe Winston would ever have started. He could have easily been suspended for undisclosed team rules while this played out, as we had other very capable quarterbacks. It's not like Jimbo was coaching for his job this year or anything.

So my gut feeling has been, unless Jimbo was really kept in the dark about the details, that Winston must be in a pretty convincing and confident position.

But I'll be the first to say, who knows? There could be strong evidence/witnesses to his guilt that we haven't heard about, or even if there aren't, Meggs could charge just for the principle of the situation.

Finally, if he is being charged, it seems odd to call a presser rather than just arrest him. If he's being charged, we'll know before 2 I would think. I would have to imagine they'd have negotiated his surrender for tonight or tomorrow. I can't see how you could announce charges while a guy is walking around and could run. I guess flight is pretty unlikely in this scenario, but it still seems like an odd way to do it.

Jimbo may not be Mr. Morality but the cat is a class act and based on the way he presents himself and has managed it I have to agree that Winston will not be charged.

 

[orangenirvana]

Why the hell would any woman tell her family that she was raped when she wasn't?

Sick world we live in when a man can rape a woman and thanks to who he is and what he does is protected and as a result will likely do it again.

 

[Scooch]

@richarddeitsch Interesting planning for SportsCenter coming. Decision on Jameis Winston case hits 2pm ET on Thur. Will Ferrell co-hosts 6pm ET SC same day.

Ferrell's appearance has been cancelled.

 

[mountaincuse]

Why would the state announce a press conference for the next day besides publicity?

If he's freaking guilty go arrest him, if not make a statement and clear him. Either way, it's not something to make a spectacle of.

 

[Scooch]

Why would the state announce a press conference for the next day besides publicity? If he's freaking guilty go arrest him, if not make a statement and clear him. Either way, it's not something to make a spectacle of.

DA's are only slightly more narcissistic than Lady Gaga.