They were 12 for 24 from 3 I think. That is on fire in my book. They have terrific shooters and even with those, our zone made them work and was a asset in the win.
zone The game has passed JB by
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And the only reason it was still even close. Imagine if they only went 9 for 24.
Thanks for helping my point, though. Because of their lack of athletic speed on the perimeter or ability for their bigs to play around our collapsing on them under the rim, Virginia was reduced to nothing but three-pointers.
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but who cares? They're a really good team, easily one of the best in the country - were a last second tip in on the road last week against arguably the best team in the country - look what they did to V.Tech's zone the other night - not sure why you're going out of your way to poo-poo a tremendous 2nd half defensive performance
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PC sounded like a guy wrapping up a career.
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UVA went about 9 minutes of game time from the end of the first half into the second half without scoring a single point, so yeah, I'd say the zone was a pretty big factor in the win today.
?? You mean they played to their strength and that is bad? They are great shooters. SMH I guess everyone should play 2-3 against them.
For some reason, in this thread, he has gone way out of his way to try and take some value out of a great Syracuse win.
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Yep. Why looking at stats doesn't always tell the story.
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he did it after Fla St too
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Going to be honest--not to be argumentative, but because I truly am trying to understand--I'm not sure what your point is here. Are you suggesting that Virginia should have been better on offense because they couldn't dribble the ball to the hoop, pass over the top to their bigs over the rim for jams, or penetrate the gaps to set up good threes simply because they were forced to shoot threes? Again, I'm not trying to be argumentative, but if that is the point, it seems to assume all three-point shots are equally good. We know that's not true.
Any offense that is reduced to one dimension only is probably not as effective. I assume we can agree on this?
We can agree that we did that to them. And we had a great victory. Which I am enjoying and as pearl pointed out, you seem to be trying to take something away from. For me, we had that all season until the last couple of weeks. There are days to just enjoy yourself. This is sure one of them.
Didn't know that.
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Days like this are a reminder that it's wise to let seasons (and games) play themselves out.
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I'm quite happy for the kids and the coaches. They got a good win today--one they needed. However, the original post in this thread was not "let's celebrate a good win together, people." It was a provocative post designed to rub a win in the face of those that criticized Boeheim when the team was down.
My posts last week and today are consistent: they looked at specific, concrete examples and stats to show that the teams in the top 10 are not that much better than teams like us. The difference between those teams that are safely in the dance and those scratching to get in just isn't that great.
Kansas showed, and Arizona is showing, that to be true, too.
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Oregon is scratching to get in?
To each his own but if you came on the board after the Fla St game with the intent to damper peoples enthusiasm by showing the team faults that you saw in the game, like today, that confuses me. We all know we have weaknesses. We all know what they are. They are discussed every day. I don't think it is out of line to celebrate wins like this.
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Yeah I just hope our guys keep pushing to improve and don't let down. Heck with 6 minutes to go last game JB was telling the team "this is our whole season"...
Imo everyone has some weaknesses this year. I really think another 6-11 seed could make the FF again this year...might as well be SU....lol
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Agreed. Perhaps a better way to enjoy is to not attack others on the board when we win a big game.
I wasn't and am not in the camp at which you seemed to aim this thread. I have actually defended Coach Boeheim many times on this board.
However, there seems to be an awful lot of bullying on this board lately, and I find that sad. I also find that a lot of arguments are made and then not supported with concrete evidence, but the arguers expect the readers to accept the opinions as fact. If they don't, they are somehow "not real fans."
I think a well-rounded and reasoned examination of the topic being discussed is far better than provocative thread-starters. That's all I will say on it.
I genuinely hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend, Dasher.
I guess I took smug in the wrong way. Enjoy your weekend as wellAgreed. Perhaps a better way to enjoy is to not attack others on the board when we win a big game.
I wasn't and am not in the camp at which you seemed to aim this thread. I have actually defended Coach Boeheim many times on this board.
However, there seems to be an awful lot of bullying on this board lately, and I find that sad. I also find that a lot of arguments are made and then not supported with concrete evidence, but the arguers expect the readers to accept the opinions as fact. If they don't, they are somehow "not real fans."
I think a well-rounded and reasoned examination of the topic being discussed is far better than provocative thread-starters. That's all I will say on it.
I genuinely hope you enjoy the rest of your weekend, Dasher.
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I want you to know I meant nothing personal towards you. I know you are a long-time poster, and I know you bleed Orange, just like me.
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The OP's post was warranted imo. Reading all the stuff on here, on his points, all season being the reason. But it's also really cool to see how many came out and said they'd gladly eat the crow, credit where it's due. From people sticking up for the staff at all criticism, and being thin skinned, on one side, to the other side, people saying the game has passed JB bye, and that everyone's figured out the zone. The pendulum swings. It's cyclical I guess.
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Wow, Virginia must be awful! Have they won a game yet this season?Did you see a bunch of lobs for dunks? I didn't.
Did you see a bunch of dribble drives that created havoc against the zone? I didn't.
Did you see elite college athletes on Virginia? I certainly didn't.
I saw a slow-footed point guard, a big named Salt who couldn't jump, and two freshmen that looked like good shooters, but physically unable to drive the ball.
Sorry to bust your pre-determined narrative with concrete examples, though.
