ACC, PAC-12, and BIG alliance / conference realignment

[HtownOrange]

The new Big12 and the SEC could play by the opposite set of rules than the Alliance and play a semipro level of football and really take the top talent there, leaving the ACC, B1G, and PAC12 in a disadvantageous competitive situation.

Respectfully, no. The Alliance has 41 teams. Assuming the Big 12 aligns with the SEC (this is a rather large assumption as eight schools will have serious heartburn about working with OU and UT,) they would have 32 teams. The P5 is autonomous., thus the Alliance can make the rules. I don't see an abuse from the Alliance, rather, I see them strong arming the SEC (and friends) to return the field to a level surface. All the major colleges are necessary to keep CFB relevant. Academics is already on the table, SEC schools will have major issues fielding teams with truly academically qualified student athletes.

I would not be surprised if the Big 12 works with the Alliance, at least some of the time.

 

[CousCuse]

Nonsensical stuff here Cous. They won’t be competitive $ wise with the SEC, much less the alliance.

Respectfully, no. The Alliance has 41 teams. Assuming the Big 12 aligns with the SEC (this is a rather large assumption as eight schools will have serious heartburn about working with OU and UT,) they would have 32 teams. The P5 is autonomous., thus the Alliance can make the rules. I don't see an abuse from the Alliance, rather, I see them strong arming the SEC (and friends) to return the field to a level surface. All the major colleges are necessary to keep CFB relevant. Academics is already on the table, SEC schools will have major issues fielding teams with truly academically qualified student athletes.

I would not be surprised if the Big 12 works with the Alliance, at least some of the time.

I'm suggesting they will de-emphasise academics in favor of paying talent who might not be admitted to the Alliance schools. Something like North Carolina was doing for years but now has been legitimized.

 

[baggerbob]

Respectfully, no. The Alliance has 41 teams. Assuming the Big 12 aligns with the SEC (this is a rather large assumption as eight schools will have serious heartburn about working with OU and UT,) they would have 32 teams. The P5 is autonomous., thus the Alliance can make the rules. I don't see an abuse from the Alliance, rather, I see them strong arming the SEC (and friends) to return the field to a level surface. All the major colleges are necessary to keep CFB relevant. Academics is already on the table, SEC schools will have major issues fielding teams with truly academically qualified student athletes.

I would not be surprised if the Big 12 works with the Alliance, at least some of the time.

That league, add Boise, and Memphis is actually a better league than the Pac 12.

 

[TheCusian]

I'm suggesting they will de-emphasise academics in favor of paying talent who might not be admitted to the Alliance schools. Something like North Carolina was doing for years but now has been legitimized.

Big 12 ain’t got enough money, cous

 

[CousCuse]

Big 12 ain’t got enough money, cous

If they play fast and loose with admissions and their boosters use the NIL to pay their players, it will change the landscape of college football. I believe that's what they are intending on doing.

 

[HtownOrange]

I'm suggesting they will de-emphasise academics in favor of paying talent who might not be admitted to the Alliance schools. Something like North Carolina was doing for years but now has been legitimized.

Yes, and you missed my point that the alliance can enforce academic standards. The SEC will be out voted.

Further, the SEC is regional and cannot go it alone, they need the other teams. Likewise, the alliance cannot neglect the south east. There will be a middle ground and they will get there.

Recall that the P5 are autonomous, not individual schools or conferences. The Alliance has sufficient votes to overrule the SEC, with or without the Big 12.

 

[CousCuse]

Yes, and you missed my point that the alliance can enforce academic standards. The SEC will be out voted.

Further, the SEC is regional and cannot go it alone, they need the other teams. Likewise, the alliance cannot neglect the south east. There will be a middle ground and they will get there.

Recall that the P5 are autonomous, not individual schools or conferences. The Alliance has sufficient votes to overrule the SEC, with or without the Big 12.

The Alliance wants to set the rules to their advantage, I don't think the SEC will take that sitting down. And, the athletic departments in the Big12 are faced with an existential crisis, they will do what they have to.

 

[WoadBlue]

If they play fast and loose with admissions and their boosters use the NIL to pay their players, it will change the landscape of college football. I believe that's what they are intending on doing.

There are professed SEC fans online - some of them making cases along this line for years - who are asserting that the SEC intends on creating a new division of CFB, one totally, or virtually totally, separate from the NCAA that is basically a semi-pro league.

A couple of those alleged SEC posters have long struck me as Big Ten people playing online games, just like BT people did against the ACC that whole years during which the BT had Maryland on the signed secret negotiation. Now, with the exception of a number of Ohio St fans, the standard BT fan wants the game to remain what we have always meant with the term 'college football.' They do not want a semi-pro team located a university. They see that mentality as a perversion of the sport. So I can see BT online actors pretending to be SEC people who want CFB's 'elite' to become a Pro league. That way they mock those they see as beneath them in class.

But there is such a thing, and it is rather common, of blowback, of your dirty tricks being thrown back at you by those who take the ideas seriously. SEC types know that the BT is a permanent whore for money. They know that means that the BT deep down really is all about 'pro' football but lacks the self-awareness to see that.

The one of those professed SEC people that I am confident in a BT person acting still insists that the BT will now lay its plans to break up the ACC. He says the SEC will be OK with the BT taking UNC and UVA, because the SEC will take Clemson and FSU.

Neither the BT nor the SEC can be trusted. Each has a large number of power brokers who see the CFB landscape the way that Gordon Gekko sees Wall Street.

 

[HtownOrange]

The Alliance wants to set the rules to their advantage, I don't think the SEC will take that sitting down. And, the athletic departments in the Big12 are faced with an existential crisis, they will do what they have to.

If the SEC wanted to do so they would either have to withdraw from all college sports or get the Alliance teams to go with them. The Alliance is not going to allow the SEC to set the agenda in their own favor.

Realistically, the SEC semi-pro league would fail. They would have no one to play, play in a small region, and would obliterate their stated purpose. The SEC is not as powerful as everyone is lead to believe.

I don't trust the B1G but their no tweets were aligned with the ACC on this issue. As are the PAC's interests. The Big 12 is more likely aligned with the Alliance than with the SEC.

 

[syrBossHogg]

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Sounds nice but it wouldn't really work. First the P12 has only 12 teams vs 14 in the other two. Then you have the ND problem. Clemson isn't going to want to play 8 ACC games, 1 B1G, 1 P12, South Carolina, and ND 1/3 of the time. Then there is the ND BBall issue. That makes it 15 vs 14 vs 12 in the conferences. Had the P12 taken 3 B12 teams (Texas Tech, Okie State, Houston), the B1G one B12 team (Kansas), and ND been forced into the ACC it would work.

 

[Toga]

Sounds nice but it wouldn't really work. First the P12 has only 12 teams vs 14 in the other two. Then you have the ND problem. Clemson isn't going to want to play 8 ACC games, 1 B1G, 1 P12, South Carolina, and ND 1/3 of the time. Then there is the ND BBall issue. That makes it 15 vs 14 vs 12 in the conferences. Had the P12 taken 3 B12 teams (Texas Tech, Okie State, Houston), the B1G one B12 team (Kansas), and ND been forced into the ACC it would work.

I was told there wouldn't be math.

 

[HtownOrange]

I was told there wouldn't be math.

Never believe the "man", there will always be math. You can never run a legitimate or illegitimate organization without math.

 

[Toga]

Never believe the "man", there will always be math. You can never run a legitimate or illegitimate organization without math.

That doesn't add up.

 

[PaNDalum]

Navy played 3 nonconference games last year.
Notre Dame could have played Navy over South Florida.
They scheduled South Florida.

It’s an excuse.

The rule that the ACC made that nonconfence games had to be in a ACC state scuttled the Navy game. It was all set to be in Annapolis. Navy didn’t want to come to South Bend.

 

[WoadBlue]

The rule that the ACC made that nonconfence games had to be in a ACC state scuttled the Navy game. It was all set to be in Annapolis. Navy didn’t want to come to South Bend.

Navy plays ND anywhere. NY is an ACC state - they could have played in Yankee Stadium. Philadelphia is in an ACC state. Does Navy have an aversion to playing in both Philly and NYC?

 

[OrangeXtreme]

 

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[HRE Otto IV]

What an ugly conference. Temple and Navy do not fit what so ever. North Texas, how/why did they get included?

IMO these are the likely divisions. Memphis can't be too happy.

East- Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, Charlotte, UAB, FAU
West- Tulsa, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Rice, UTSA, North Texas

 

[Alsacs]

What an ugly conference. Temple and Navy do not fit what so ever. North Texas, how/why did they get included?

IMO these are the likely divisions. Memphis can't be too happy.

East- Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, Charlotte, UAB, FAU
West- Tulsa, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Rice, UTSA, North Texas

Navy likes games in Texas.
They asked to be in the West division.
They recruit TX hard.
They will likely ask to stay in the West.
Why they don’t ask Coastal Carolina, App State, Marshall and a Georgia school is kinda stupid.

The Sun Belt must be better off for those schools.

 

[CousCuse]

What an ugly conference. Temple and Navy do not fit what so ever. North Texas, how/why did they get included?

IMO these are the likely divisions. Memphis can't be too happy.

East- Temple, Navy, ECU, USF, Charlotte, UAB, FAU
West- Tulsa, SMU, Tulane, Memphis, Rice, UTSA, North Texas

North Texas is a large state school located in the Dallas metroplex. The schools they added were all in large cities.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

North Texas is a large state school located in the Dallas metroplex. The schools they added were all in large cities.

They aren't good at sports and SMU covers that market.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

A 7 team Northeastern football only conference might not be a bad idea for the G5 schools.

Navy- they are football only for the AAC so they don't need a home for other sports. If they only have 6 conference games they can still schedule OOC ND, Air Force, 2 games vs Texas schools (1 H & 1 A), 2 games vs California schools (1H & 1A).

Army- they are Indy so having 6 set games would help but still allow OOC flexibility.

UConn and UMass- they too are Indy so having 6 set games helps.

Temple- wouldn't playing NE schools be more attractive? And save travel costs? Other sports they could go back to the A10. Extra OOC games allows for pay days.

Marshall- an upgrade for football but they would need to find a home for other sports. Colonial? if the A10 loses teams to the Big East then Marshall could join the A10.

Buffalo- they might be better off with MAC football? Other sports would need a home, America East?

 

[elimunelson]

A 7 team Northeastern football only conference might not be a bad idea for the G5 schools.

Navy- they are football only for the AAC so they don't need a home for other sports. If they only have 6 conference games they can still schedule OOC ND, Air Force, 2 games vs Texas schools (1 H & 1 A), 2 games vs California schools (1H & 1A).

Army- they are Indy so having 6 set games would help but still allow OOC flexibility.

UConn and UMass- they too are Indy so having 6 set games helps.

Temple- wouldn't playing NE schools be more attractive? And save travel costs? Other sports they could go back to the A10. Extra OOC games allows for pay days.

Marshall- an upgrade for football but they would need to find a home for other sports. Colonial? if the A10 loses teams to the Big East then Marshall could join the A10.

Buffalo- they might be better off with MAC football? Other sports would need a home, America East?

If I didn't care about football at SU, I wouldn't mind being in that conference if our basketball conference could be back in the Big East again.