Right, which also means that infrastructure will still exist once JB retires. The losses and comments aren’t actually jeopardizing that.
Day2 - I completely respect you as a poster, and as a defender of JB, but I think you are working way too hard to defend him in every way. Of course his 47 years have been mostly extremely good but he has not been up to par lately. I think that defending him on every little issue is not convincing anyone. We all remember the great moments for the BB program and. An acknowledge that JB is the mastermind for all of that. But he is fading in every aspect and is a shadow of the coach he once was. Defending him on any single issue isn’t changing any minds. The consensus has shifted and it’s not going back in his favor. Every little thing is like another straw on the camel’s back. And there have been too many straws, and the cumulative weight of those straws is getting very heavy. Not any one straw has broken the camel’s back but…….
Seven years between two schools. JB has been at one school for 47 and had a lot more overall success than Holtman. Many of us believe JB has earned the right to leave on his terms.
Ok, so you didnt say it but I can infer that you are fine with JB underperforming in comparison to the expectations.
If it was just the product on the court, I agree we're not a national joke, just irrelevant. It's the comments of our coach that have combined with that mediocre product to make us a bit of a joke lately.
I appreciate that. This is SWC’s premise, though. People just want JB gone and will use anything he says or does as proof. It’s become over-the-top. JB is not doing irrevocable harm to the program. He’s just taking longer to leave than expected. But he will leave and we will hire a great coach and we will return to glory. Patience is being tested, I get it.
So if JB wants another 10 years and we continue to be mediocre, you’re good with that? No cutoff point?
Are you an SU fan or a JB Fan?
He’s earned the right to leave on his terms.
Not sure I'm understanding your point, Day. Are you suggesting that the retractions somehow absolve JB of the stupidity and inappropriate nature of his comments? If that's your point, then let me clarify: I absolutely agree with most of what he said. The point here is not to whether what he said was "true" etc., but whether he should've said it in the first place.
No, I’m just fine with waiting.
This is where I see the defense of JB as too much. I spent my life as a teacher. If I did a good job I got to return the next year. If I started giving kids I didn’t like and F on every assignment, or started yelling at kids daily, or started doing any number of such negative things, my job would be in jeopardy, regardless of what I had done n previous years.
Its Idol Worship
Agreed. But there’s a slight asterisk. There was no tourney in 2020—for anyone. Sure, you can argue we wouldn’t have made it, but no one can be sure b/c we had just beat UNC in convincing fashion. And no teams made the tourney that year, so I don’t think it can count for or against anyone. Either way, 9 years of largely subpar seasons by Cuse standards (with a few exceptions…2016, 2019, and 2021) isn’t acceptable.
