Coach Search Options after Autry

[dasher]

This is starting to smell like the Prince...

Saying the prince smells is a good way to end up sleeping with the fishes.

 

[phil77]

The Lally's also didn't win us a national championship. And so because they don't have a kid you think it is 100% a okay for them to take their ball and run if they don't get the person they want. Gotcha

When did I say it is OK for them to take their ball and run?

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

Meanwhile, imagine how Red feels watching this all unfold before the last shovelful of dirt is even heaped on his time as HC.

 

[UnknownOrange]

What’s in it for the donors to provide all this cash? I get boosters who want to play fantasy basketball but random nba players? Something is off here imo.

Team USA basketball, NBA brotherhood, etc. Hop has ties and Melo certainly has a ton of ties to $$/resources

 

[dasher]

When did I say it is OK for them to take their ball and run?

So you agree that it's not just Melo who should put up the same money
if they are on the losing side? Great. Welcome aboard.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Hop would have to put a top tier staff together, starting by overpaying for Murray at UCONN.

If Hop brings Murray from UCONN, then we might only half-stink.

 

[dasher]

Might we be one of the first programs where you just openly say that a program is for sale to the highest bidder? SU Bball now has an owner or a consortium of owners vs being part of SU?

LOL we won't be close to the first. Check out Oregon. Among many others.

 

[IthacaMatt]

So what you’re saying is Hop is essentially buying the coaching job?

Sounds like that's his approach. Terrible idea.
You have to get a guy who has won without advantages.
Those are the REAL coaches.

 

[CuseTG2003]

I wish Kiyan went to USC. None of this would have happened. The irony is he will be the one to get booed next year is this is a disaster.

Complete cluster. He can get better of course, but I wouldn't bet money on him becoming a winning player at the P4 level. He's borderline unplayable now. But yeah, let's hire a failed coach who'll be obligated to showcase and build around him.

 

[CuseFan]

Skipped ahead 30+ pages since last night. Can't keep up.

The one thing I loved about this thread is that it shows the passion we all have for Syracuse basketball, and that we all really do care who the next coach is.

 

[Irishsecra1]

Maybe.

It doesn't change the point I made, though. I think Siena has only beaten one team [IIRC] that is above .500 this year.

I get that you can only play the teams in front of you on your schedule, but I think the overall record is a bit deceiving when you look at the W/L record of the teams they've played.

I would have to look but I think they have beaten 5 or 6 teams over 500.
But, of course, the teams in their league all have the same deficiency in talent so it makes sense the bigger conference teams carve them up.
For me, what is important is what they do with the players they have.
Can they get them to overachieve or underachieve?
Siena is second in their league so seems to me he is doing ok.
Gerry gets his guys to play tough, never surrender, put it all on the line ball.
Red gets his guys to play creampuff soft, roll over, lets think about the catering food after the game ball.

I suspect that Hop is worlds better than Red, not sure how he would compare to Gerry.
But again Hop cant be all that bad if he won 2 coaches of the year in Washington.
They dont give those things out as door prizes.
You have to earn it.

 

[tptcuse]

How long will the Hop train be allowed to chug along.

IF they go with Hop, it better not be some five year contract with a big buyout again. And it should 100% be performance based.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Sounds like that's his approach. Terrible idea.
You have to get a guy who has won without advantages.
Those are the REAL coaches.

Sounds a little like Calipari!

 

[Sherman20]

I understand that. I just wish we could get all the potential donors together and hire the best coach. We would be back on the top tier in no time.

Dash, please share this with someone who has some sway in this. This is so depressing that only Hop can get these donors to come out of the woodwork. Why don’t they back an actual proven head coach with modern offensive and defensive systems?

 

[007]

I’m sure, but he’s not making head coaching money at UCONN either.

$603,714 in 2024, according to public payroll data from University of Connecticut.

555% higher than the average salary for an assistant coach

 

[HyattsCuse]

On the other hand, let's face it, there is a number where we would have to hire Hop
or just about anyone that could raise it. Let's say 50 million a year. My Saudi Prince.
At that number, we would have to hire that guy.

Yup, now I just hope he can find his version of Luke Murray as an ass’t coach. Or just go get Murray himself if we have all this $$$. If Murray came and transformed ‘Cuse’s offense, he could pick where he wants to head coach in a year or two.

 

[Hawknate144]

Hey hey hey, we have 2 unclaimed Natty's from the 19 teens and twenties, we really should claim them

what a weird poetic twist that Melo wins us our lone national championship

then 24 years later his son wins our second**

**with 30 million of dads money

 

[dasher]

I feel like once again I have to release this disclosure. I am not advocating for
Hopkins. Nor is anyone else that I see giving information. But there seems to
be anger at us. Like we are making a decision here. And while I was told I might
hear more later, nothing has been finally decided yet.

 

[5OutFred]

If Hop is hired, we will talk about missing out on Hodgson the way we do Oats. It will set us back another 5 years.

 

[pearl31]

Crap, I think GMAC would be better than Hop now.
Wouldn't Melo back GMAC like he would Hop?

oh gmac you say?

 

[Owens guy]

It's easy to say that you want BH over Hop and his $30 million NIL. Coaching matters.

But would you still take BH over Hop if I guaranteed you that Syracuse had a top 10 roster next year (and the year after) provided by Melo's funding?

 

[hoopsupstate]

$603,714 in 2024, according to public payroll data from University of Connecticut.

555% higher than the average salary for an assistant coach

I would have thought he was more than that.

 

[dasher]

Hey hey hey, we have 2 unclaimed Natty's from the 19 teens and twenties, we really should claim them

I actually agree with this. Both UNC and Kansas have their Helms flags flying right with their
tournament winners.

 

[DPCuse]

For the Hop supporters: So if you were running a business and had a manager who over a number of years had shown he could not get results at an acceptable level, you'd just throw more money at the department to solve the problem?

Let me turn that question around.
If you were running a business and it was failing, do you think you'd be successful convincing a great manager to hop on board if there wasn't adequate funding? Doubt it.
I wish we had a third option but if presented with only those two, I'd have to gamble on taking the money and giving it to Hop.

 

[PoppyHart]

I don't know how many get second chances after failing at a high major in their only go round as a collegiate head coach. Usually it's either prove you can build a winning team in the low and mid-majors and then get a major job where you either succeed or drop back down or retire. In the last 30 seasons, I would bet that fewer than 5 coaches have had a second chance after going 70-84 in five seasons.

So, since I'm no longer paying for stathead, I went to gemini and asked.

"In the last 30 years, how many D1 NCAA basketball head coaches have had five seasons with a cumulative record under .500, were then fired from the first head coaching job, and hired into a new high major program to be the head coach?"​

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Only Lane Kiffin gets to fail upwards repeatedly.

To his credit, he finally righted the ship, has sustained success and became a truly solid coach once he went to Florida Atlantic.

Hmmm, maybe there's something to be said for dropping down a notch or two.