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IthacaMatt

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Even faster. Makes me wonder if any thru traffic is going to bother with 481.
Of course there will be.

481 between Rockcut Road and Genesee St in Dewitt currently has about 35,000 cars per day. That traffic increases to 57,000 cars per day once 481 crosses Genesee St. The traffic tapers off to about 43,000 cars per day north of 690 up to the interchange with the Thruway, and 35,000 cars continue north of there to where it reconnects to Route 81 in North Syracuse, where the traffic goes back up to 48,000 cars per day. Going further toward Oswego, the traffic remains around 35,000 cars per day past North Syracuse out toward Route 31 in Clay.

Route 81 north of the City carries a little over 100,000 cars per day. Between Destiny and Mattydale, the traffic count is about 101,000 cars, and remains about that amount up to the exit for the airport. After that, traffic on 81 goes down to around 65,000 cars per day to North Syracuse, then the traffic on 81 decreases to 53,000 cars per day up to Cicero, and after that, traffic further north diminishes to 43,000 cars per day to Brewerton, and then about 41,000 cars per day further north.

Route 81, approaching the city from the south, carries 88,000 cars per day (these numbers are all in both directions), but only 19,000 of those cars continue north of Adams St. Of those cars, only 12,000 continue on Northbound 81 through the center of the city; the most dangerous part of the road that needs to be replaced.

690 West has about 85,000 cars from West St. through downtown, increasing to a peak of 136,000 cars between downtown and Midler / Thompson Road, and then tapers off out to the eastern suburbs to about 85,000 cars again, decreasing as you get past Thompson Road. Ultimately, that traffic dumps onto 481 or turns local.

Here is the DOT traffic information: Geocortex Viewer for HTML5

So, looking at these numbers, only about 15% of the north-south Route 81 traffic currently goes all the way through the City. We're talking about creating more exits south of the city to disperse that traffic in a more orderly fashion.

So Congel and Crew are trying to force a tunnel or expansion of an overhead Route 81 through the city for the benefit of only 12-19,000 cars a day. Half that many already use Salina St. For this we should spend literally billions more dollars. Twice as many cars currently use 481 near Rockcut Road as go entirely through the City on Route 81. Does that make any sense whatsoever?
 
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FrancoPizza

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Of course there will be.

481 between Rockcut Road and Genesee St in Dewitt currently has about 35,000 cars per day. That traffic increases to 57,000 cars per day once 481 crosses Genesee St. The traffic tapers off to about 43,000 cars per day north of 690 up to the interchange with the Thruway, and 35,000 cars continue north of there to where it reconnects to Route 81 in North Syracuse, where the traffic goes back up to 48,000 cars per day. Going further toward Oswego, the traffic remains around 35,000 cars per day past North Syracuse out toward Route 31 in Clay.

Route 81 north of the City carries a little over 100,000 cars per day. Between Destiny and Mattydale, the traffic count is about 101,000 cars, and remains about that amount up to the exit for the airport. After that, traffic on 81 goes down to around 65,000 cars per day to North Syracuse, then the traffic on 81 decreases to 53,000 cars per day up to Cicero, and after that, traffic further north diminishes to 43,000 cars per day to Brewerton, and then about 41,000 cars per day further north.

Route 81, approaching the city from the south, carries 88,000 cars per day (these numbers are all in both directions), but only 19,000 of those cars continue north of Adams St. Of those cars, only 12,000 continue on Northbound 81 through the center of the city; the most dangerous part of the road that needs to be replaced.

690 West has about 85,000 cars from West St. through downtown, increasing to a peak of 136,000 cars between downtown and Midler / Thompson Road, and then tapers off out to the eastern suburbs to about 85,000 cars again, decreasing as you get past Thompson Road. Ultimately, that traffic dumps onto 481 or turns local.

Here is the DOT traffic information: Geocortex Viewer for HTML5

So, looking at these numbers, only about 15% of the north-south Route 81 traffic currently goes all the way through the City. We're talking about creating more exits south of the city to disperse that traffic in a more orderly fashion.

So Congel and Crew are trying to force a tunnel or expansion of an overhead Route 81 through the city for the benefit of only 12-19,000 cars a day. Half that many already use Salina St. For this we should spend literally billions more dollars. Twice as many cars currently use 481 near Rockcut Road as go entirely through the City on Route 81. Does that make any sense whatsoever?
I’m one of the 19,000. I resent that remark.
 

IthacaMatt

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I work just north of the airport. I don’t take 690.
Well, that's a bit inconvenient for you. Might add 10 minutes or so to your commute.

I thought you were talking about westbound traffic from 81 North south of the city before, but that might have been another poster.
 

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Well, that's a bit inconvenient for you. Might add 10 minutes or so to your commute.

I thought you were talking about westbound traffic from 81 North south of the city before, but that might have been another poster.
That was me... I just like talking about different aspects of this project.
 
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