Development in and Around Syracuse Discussion

[IthacaMatt]

One of my favorite Monty Python skits. A friend and I performed this skit for a speech class when I was in high school.
At that time, you could only see Monty Python intermittently on PBS (Channel 24), so back in those days, people didn't know all these skits by heart already, and it came across as truly absurd for those who had never seen it before.

 

[Cheriehoop]

Upstate Medical fights developer Cor for prime land near I-81

Eight acres at Kennedy Square have been vacant for years.

www.syracuse.com

Sadly, hate to admit it but I’ve been waiting for this.

 

[OttoMets]

Upstate Medical fights developer Cor for prime land near I-81

Eight acres at Kennedy Square have been vacant for years.

www.syracuse.com

Ah, I've been waiting for them to run this story!

 

[shandeezy7]

Upstate Medical fights developer Cor for prime land near I-81

Eight acres at Kennedy Square have been vacant for years.

www.syracuse.com

Sadly, hate to admit it but I’ve been waiting for this.

It's a complete shame that that land has been sitting there vacant for so long, especially when there appears to be some sort of demand for development there.

 

[shandeezy7]

The NIMBY's are assembling!

Big crowd expected at meeting on huge distribution center project

Onondaga County Industrial Development Agency moves its meeting to the Oncenter to accommodate crowd.

www.syracuse.com

 

[Fly Rodder]

The NIMBY's are assembling!

Big crowd expected at meeting on huge distribution center project

Onondaga County Industrial Development Agency moves its meeting to the Oncenter to accommodate crowd.

www.syracuse.com

Bless their wee hearts.

 

[IthacaMatt]

The NIMBY's are assembling!

Big crowd expected at meeting on huge distribution center project

Onondaga County Industrial Development Agency moves its meeting to the Oncenter to accommodate crowd.

www.syracuse.com

I guess the people of Clay never noticed that massive distribution center on John Glenn Blvd before. FFS

 

[Cusefan0307]

Literally nobody lives on that road anyway. Give me a break.

 

[Fly Rodder]

Supermarket chain plans first store in Syracuse area

Developer's proposal in Fayetteville includes 53,000-square-foot grocery store, memory care facility and smaller retail/medical building.

www.syracuse.com

I guess the property owner decided that the working with a criminal developer wasn't a good path towards getting some revenue out of this parcel.

I think this will fly for development instead of an apartment complex, but there'll be some tweaks needed. I know that the mayor is very onboard with getting that parcel re-developed.

 

[OttoMets]

Supermarket chain plans first store in Syracuse area

Developer's proposal in Fayetteville includes 53,000-square-foot grocery store, memory care facility and smaller retail/medical building.

www.syracuse.com

I guess the property owner decided that the working with a criminal developer wasn't a good path towards getting some revenue out of this parcel.

I think this will fly for development instead of an apartment complex, but there'll be some tweaks needed. I know that the mayor is very onboard with getting that parcel re-developed.

And Hannaford's been nosing around the eastern suburbs for awhile.

This could crush Tops which, in spite of their superior bakeries, has become the red-headed stepchild of CNY supermarkets. Hannaford's better in almost every way.

 

[Fly Rodder]

And Hannaford's been nosing around the eastern suburbs for awhile.

This could crush Tops which, in spite of their superior bakeries, has become the red-headed stepchild of CNY supermarkets. Hannaford's better in almost every way.

Every time I go in Tops, it's just so ... empty. There are like 12 shoppers and three cashiers.

 

[Noexcuse]

And Hannaford's been nosing around the eastern suburbs for awhile.

This could crush Tops which, in spite of their superior bakeries, has become the red-headed stepchild of CNY supermarkets. Hannaford's better in almost every way.

Would have loved for Hannaford to pick a site on 92 near Enders Rd. Price Chopper was looking there a few years ago but it never materialized. Not sure if the large population living in that area will veer off to Fayetteville when Wegmans Dewitt is about the same distance.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

And Hannaford's been nosing around the eastern suburbs for awhile.

This could crush Tops which, in spite of their superior bakeries, has become the red-headed stepchild of CNY supermarkets. Hannaford's better in almost every way.

Not a fan of Hannaford. Relatively expensive and fewer options than other supermarkets. I also got food poisoning from their General Tsao's chicken in March (probably my own fault for eating that stuff...)

 

[OttoMets]

Would have loved for Hannaford to pick a site on 92 near Enders Rd. Price Chopper was looking there a few years ago but it never materialized. Not sure if the large population living in that area will veer off to Fayetteville when Wegmans Dewitt is about the same distance.

I think there's been a little interest in that general area. Probably a little fringier than the Fayetteville site in terms of population density, that's the main difference.

 

[OttoMets]

Not a fan of Hannaford. Relatively expensive and fewer options than other supermarkets. I also got food poisoning from their General Tsao's chicken in March (probably my own fault for eating that stuff...)

That'll sour you on the place pretty fast

 

[IthacaMatt]

And Hannaford's been nosing around the eastern suburbs for awhile.

This could crush Tops which, in spite of their superior bakeries, has become the red-headed stepchild of CNY supermarkets. Hannaford's better in almost every way.

Hannaford is very good. I encountered them in Vermont years ago. It was a terrific grocery store.

 

[Noexcuse]

I think there's been a little interest in that general area. Probably a little fringier than the Fayetteville site in terms of population density, that's the main difference.

You could be right, re density, although it looks like a major development project is happening on 173 east of the high school. Plus you can draw from Caz.

 

[Noexcuse]

Hannaford is very good. I encountered them in Vermont years ago. It was a terrific grocery store.

I agree. They tend to promote local products too.

 

[OttoMets]

You could be right, re density, although it looks like a major development project is happening on 173 east of the high school. Plus you can draw from Caz.

Yeah, on the south side of the road, it's mostly been cleared around that lovely old farmhouse. (Too bad, IMO.)

 

[KellySyracuse]

 

[OttoMets]

2 Syracuse business to add 430 jobs, 5G manufacturing to city

JMA Wireless, a maker of wireless communications equipment, completed a $34 million expansion in 2017 that has created 288 new full-time jobs at its world headquarters in Clay.

www.syracuse.com

Now that it's public, I can share my opinion: I was skeptical that it's beneficial for the neighborhood (where COR and Pyramid own ~100 acres that they don't have the means or desire to develop) for BHG to control such a huge parcel (6.2 acres on a superblock) in a prime location by the harbor. When I heard that BHG was talking about building 100,000 square feet (a pretty small building - smaller than Pioneer's newish Armory building at 333 West Washington, for reference), that solidified this take.

I know they're working closely with the city, but this isn't efficient land use in what's supposed to be a smart development neighborhood.

JMA's partnership with the Surge initiative is great news, though.

 

[shandeezy7]

2 Syracuse business to add 430 jobs, 5G manufacturing to city

JMA Wireless, a maker of wireless communications equipment, completed a $34 million expansion in 2017 that has created 288 new full-time jobs at its world headquarters in Clay.

www.syracuse.com

Now that it's public, I can share my opinion: I was skeptical that it's beneficial for the neighborhood (where COR and Pyramid own ~100 acres that they don't have the means or desire to develop) for BHG to control such a huge parcel (6.2 acres on a superblock) in a prime location by the harbor. When I heard that BHG was talking about building 100,000 square feet (a pretty small building - smaller than Pioneer's newish Armory building at 333 West Washington, for reference), that solidified this take.

I know they're working closely with the city, but this isn't efficient land use in what's supposed to be a smart development neighborhood.

JMA's partnership with the Surge initiative is great news, though.

I know we've spoken about BHG offline, but a couple of things to add to this that make me lean toward the BHG news being much more positive than negative:

1.) Removal of the bus depot was 100% necessary if the Inner Harbor neighborhood ever wants to become more than what it is now. It's an eyesore and occupies a large chunk of prime real estate adjacent to downtown. Not sure if that happens without the investment committed to by BHG.
2.) I know for certain that BHG was thisclose to relocating to an adjacent suburb due to being unable to find a space/location that fit their needs. This deal keeps 200+ jobs in the city (downtown adjacent), with the prospect of bringing in several hundred more workers to the area.
3.) BHG built a new headquarters adjacent to the bus depot several years ago, and outgrew it within a year or so. I'm sure the seemingly large parcel that they will be occupying will serve several functions, including parking for hundreds employees, and the ability to expand on land that they currently own, if necessary down the road.

 

[OttoMets]

I know we've spoken about BHG offline, but a couple of things to add to this that make me lean toward the BHG news being much more positive than negative:

1.) Removal of the bus depot was 100% necessary if the Inner Harbor neighborhood ever wants to become more than what it is now. It's an eyesore and occupies a large chunk of prime real estate adjacent to downtown. Not sure if that happens without the investment committed to by BHG.
2.) I know for certain that BHG was thisclose to relocating to an adjacent suburb due to being unable to find a space/location that fit their needs. This deal keeps 200+ jobs in the city (downtown adjacent), with the prospect of bringing in several hundred more workers to the area.
3.) BHG built a new headquarters adjacent to the bus depot several years ago, and outgrew it within a year or so. I'm sure the seemingly large parcel that they will be occupying will serve several functions, including parking for hundreds employees, and the ability to expand on land that they currently own, if necessary down the road.

Yeah, I know mine sounds a little to close to a CNYHOTTAKE, and these are positive things, but I'm going to hate to see more suburban development coming to the neighborhood. Hope the final approved design is heavy on the transitional parking/land held for future development and light on the low-density sprawl that characterizes most of what's recently been built. Four stories concentrated on the east side of the site would be best.

 

[shandeezy7]

Yeah, I know mine sounds a little to close to a CNYHOTTAKE, and these are positive things, but I'm going to hate to see more suburban development coming to the neighborhood. Hope the final approved design is heavy on the transitional parking/land held for future development and light on the low-density sprawl that characterizes most of what's recently been built. Four stories concentrated on the east side of the site would be best.

Allegedly, demo starts on Friday, so maybe we will find out sooner than later what the plan for the site will look like?

 

[OttoMets]

Allegedly, demo starts on Friday, so maybe we will find out sooner than later what the plan for the site will look like?

I believe they've got an aggressive construction timetable and will be in front of the Planning Commission before winter.