Diehards Giving Up

[Red2003]

Look letting Red stay would be the worst thing for Kiyan's development.
In 2 years Red has shown no ability to run an effective offense or defense. You basically last year had Judah and Q drive and shoot or pass on offense and Brown getting steals on defense.
This year you had JJ for a few games and now a big mess.

I agree with you on Autry. What's the answer though? Are you thinking we just tell Kiyan that we're so messed up on the Hill right now that we tell him and Melo it's best if he just go somewhere else and play for another coach while we clean house at the end of the year? Not exactly a great message either, but maybe it comes to that.

 

[RF2044]

I agree with you on Autry. What's the answer though? Are you thinking we just tell Kiyan that we're so messed up on the Hill right now that we tell him and Melo it's best if he just go somewhere else and play for another coach while we clean house at the end of the year? Not exactly a great message either, but maybe it comes to that.

Where is it suggested that Kiyan is contingent upon Red? Maybe Melo and Kiyan would be supportive of Syracuse bringing in a quality head coach, who could reverse the fortunes of this moribund program.

Seems like an assumption about what Anthony might do that is starting to be tossed out as board "fact." Heck, Kiyan might opt to play elsewhere if this team finishes in the bottom grouping in the ACC. Who knows?

Kicking the can down the road if Autry isn't the answer just delays the inevitable, does more harm to the brand, and makes a deeper hole for the next coach to dig out of

 

[Red2003]

Where is it suggested that Kiyan is contingent upon Red? Maybe Melo and Kiyan would be supportive of Syracuse bringing in a quality head coach, who could reverse the fortunes of this moribund program.

Seems like an assumption about what Anthony might do that is starting to be tossed out as board "fact." Heck, Kiyan might opt to play elsewhere if this team finishes in the bottom grouping in the ACC. Who knows?

Kicking the can down the road if Autry isn't the answer just delays the inevitable, does more harm to the brand, and makes a deeper hole for the next coach to dig out of

I agree. We're in a circular loop with alot of people on this board though.

1. If the scenario is Melo and Kiyan would be supportive of a new coach at end of this year I think everyone on this board will say cool let's clean house and get someone new in.

2. If Melo and Kiyan want to stick with Autry one more year. This board is saying Who cares what they think, we don't need them around, take a walk to USC and Autry thanks for your years as a player but you gotta leave town for awhile.

3. If the decisionmakers freeze and just maintain status quo one more year, not even opening the discussion of a coaching change until year 3. The recruits signed their NLI to Syracuse and with Autry and they expect them to be honored.

The sad reality is think about the people in charge of the decisions over the last 10 years and then think about what choice they're likely to make.

 

[NKR1978]

57 die hard years going on 58. Hope to make at least 60 years health permitting

Gonna have to change your screen name!

 

[PoppyHart]

Do you think that maybe he likes Red

He probably liked Hop more than Red.

 

[EnviroSciGuy]

3. If the decisionmakers freeze and just maintain status quo one more year, not even opening the discussion of a coaching change until year 3. The recruits signed their NLI to Syracuse and with Autry and they expect them to be honored.

This is the break in the circular loop, because if the season turns into a Georgetown or Pitt-level collapse, there is no way those NLIs are going to be honored... and there is no way the school fights with the Anthony family over it.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

As a noun, 'diehard,' 'die-hard,' or ''die hard' are all acceptable when describing what is being discussed here.

I don’t think he was arguing the spelling.
It was a comment on the definition—the same one I was going to make….

Die hard. As in “hard” or difficult to kill. Not impossible to kill. So, a diehard/die hard/die-hard fan can still be turned off. It just takes a lot.

 

[50YRsofCuse]

Gonna have to change your screen name!

Waiting for the 60 to happen.

 

[br801]

I don’t think he was arguing the spelling.
It was a comment on the definition—the same one I was going to make….

Die hard. As in “hard” or difficult to kill. Not impossible to kill. So, a diehard/die hard/die-hard fan can still be turned off. It just takes a lot.

I just think there's a difference in being turned off and giving up; the latter seems more permanent and doesn't seem like something a self-described diehard would do.

 

[kcsu]

JJ wouldn’t have even been in the rotation on some of our best teams in the 2010’s.

He wouldnt have started but would have played. Hes good

 

[Cusefan0307]

He wouldnt have started but would have played. Hes good

Would have been the 4th guard in 2009, 2010 and 2011 and the 5th guard in 2012. When we had less depth in 2013 he may have been 3rd. That’s how far we have fallen.

 

[CnyTarheel]

Since I’m at the football game, I gave friends my two tickets for Bucknell. They are thrilled to go. SU hoops is still a big deal for people and they will drive two hours to a game.

Come back and say that again in a month.. and try not to laugh.. my season tix are very good seats, I just finally found someone who will go with his son and two friends.. I hate to say it but SU hoops isn't even close to a big deal as it used to be

 

[Red2003]

ChatGPT on what to do about Autry’s poor performance:

Syracuse basketball’s poor performance this season, under head coach Adrien Autry, presents a challenge for both the program and its leadership. If the team’s struggles continue, here are some possible steps Syracuse could take in response:

### 1. **Evaluate Coaching Adjustments**
- **Review Coaching Decisions**: If the team is underperforming, the coaching staff, led by Autry, may need to reflect on their strategies, particularly in key areas like in-game adjustments, player rotations, and game plans. Autry, who took over after Jim Boeheim’s departure, might need to find his identity as a coach separate from his predecessor’s long tenure.
- **Assistant Coaching Changes**: If Autry feels limited by his current staff, it might be worth considering changes to the assistant coaching roles to bring in fresh perspectives and strategies.

### 2. **Focus on Player Development**
- **Work on Fundamentals**: Syracuse could invest more time in developing the fundamental skills of their players—shooting consistency, defensive rotations, ball handling, and basketball IQ. Player growth is key, especially for a young team.
- **Boost Team Chemistry**: Sometimes, struggles come from a lack of chemistry. Autry should focus on improving team cohesion and leadership on the court.

### 3. **Recruitment & Roster Changes**
- **Recruiting Priorities**: Syracuse could look to bolster the roster with key recruits who fit Autry’s system, especially in areas where the team may be weak, like scoring or defense.
- **Transfer Portal**: Given the modern landscape of college basketball, exploring the transfer portal for immediate impact players could be crucial in addressing specific needs.

### 4. **Transparency and Communication**
- **Clear Communication with Fans and Alumni**: If the team struggles throughout the season, Autry should engage in open and honest communication with fans, players, and alumni. Setting realistic expectations and explaining the challenges faced could help maintain support.
- **Support from Administration**: Syracuse athletic administration should assess whether Autry is given the necessary resources, such as recruiting support or additional staff, to succeed in his role.

### 5. **Give Autry Time to Adjust**
- **Patience is Key**: Coaching transitions can take time, and Syracuse may need to give Autry a few years to build his program, especially considering the weight of following a legendary coach like Jim Boeheim.
- **Focus on Long-Term Goals**: Instead of expecting immediate success, it could be beneficial for Syracuse to look at long-term growth under Autry’s leadership. This could involve prioritizing building a team culture that aligns with his vision.

### 6. **Pressure to Perform**
- **Accountability**: If Syracuse's performance doesn’t improve and Autry struggles to make progress, the program might have to evaluate whether the direction he is taking the team is sustainable. At some point, poor performance might lead to a reevaluation of his future, particularly if Syracuse fans and boosters demand better results.

Ultimately, whether or not Adrien Autry remains as head coach or if changes are made will depend on how quickly the team can turn things around and how well Autry adapts his approach. While immediate changes may seem tempting, stability and long-term development could be the best approach, given the program’s historical success and the challenges of following a coaching legend like Boeheim.

 

[cusefan88]

I'll probably watch the first 10 minutes of every game before shutting it off. It's compulsive.

 

[baggerbob]

ChatGPT on what to do about Autry’s poor performance:

Syracuse basketball’s poor performance this season, under head coach Adrien Autry, presents a challenge for both the program and its leadership. If the team’s struggles continue, here are some possible steps Syracuse could take in response:

### 1. **Evaluate Coaching Adjustments**
- **Review Coaching Decisions**: If the team is underperforming, the coaching staff, led by Autry, may need to reflect on their strategies, particularly in key areas like in-game adjustments, player rotations, and game plans. Autry, who took over after Jim Boeheim’s departure, might need to find his identity as a coach separate from his predecessor’s long tenure.
- **Assistant Coaching Changes**: If Autry feels limited by his current staff, it might be worth considering changes to the assistant coaching roles to bring in fresh perspectives and strategies.

### 2. **Focus on Player Development**
- **Work on Fundamentals**: Syracuse could invest more time in developing the fundamental skills of their players—shooting consistency, defensive rotations, ball handling, and basketball IQ. Player growth is key, especially for a young team.
- **Boost Team Chemistry**: Sometimes, struggles come from a lack of chemistry. Autry should focus on improving team cohesion and leadership on the court.

### 3. **Recruitment & Roster Changes**
- **Recruiting Priorities**: Syracuse could look to bolster the roster with key recruits who fit Autry’s system, especially in areas where the team may be weak, like scoring or defense.
- **Transfer Portal**: Given the modern landscape of college basketball, exploring the transfer portal for immediate impact players could be crucial in addressing specific needs.

### 4. **Transparency and Communication**
- **Clear Communication with Fans and Alumni**: If the team struggles throughout the season, Autry should engage in open and honest communication with fans, players, and alumni. Setting realistic expectations and explaining the challenges faced could help maintain support.
- **Support from Administration**: Syracuse athletic administration should assess whether Autry is given the necessary resources, such as recruiting support or additional staff, to succeed in his role.

### 5. **Give Autry Time to Adjust**
- **Patience is Key**: Coaching transitions can take time, and Syracuse may need to give Autry a few years to build his program, especially considering the weight of following a legendary coach like Jim Boeheim.
- **Focus on Long-Term Goals**: Instead of expecting immediate success, it could be beneficial for Syracuse to look at long-term growth under Autry’s leadership. This could involve prioritizing building a team culture that aligns with his vision.

### 6. **Pressure to Perform**
- **Accountability**: If Syracuse's performance doesn’t improve and Autry struggles to make progress, the program might have to evaluate whether the direction he is taking the team is sustainable. At some point, poor performance might lead to a reevaluation of his future, particularly if Syracuse fans and boosters demand better results.

Ultimately, whether or not Adrien Autry remains as head coach or if changes are made will depend on how quickly the team can turn things around and how well Autry adapts his approach. While immediate changes may seem tempting, stability and long-term development could be the best approach, given the program’s historical success and the challenges of following a coaching legend like Boeheim.

Those are all nice posts, but in 2 years we have no offensive, or defensive sets that we can run. That is a total lack of teaching on the part of the staff. That isn't going to magically happen.
It's time to move on.

 

[PoppyHart]

ChatGPT on what to do about Autry’s poor performance:

Syracuse basketball’s poor performance this season, under head coach Adrien Autry, presents a challenge for both the program and its leadership. If the team’s struggles continue, here are some possible steps Syracuse could take in response:

### 1. **Evaluate Coaching Adjustments**
- **Review Coaching Decisions**: If the team is underperforming, the coaching staff, led by Autry, may need to reflect on their strategies, particularly in key areas like in-game adjustments, player rotations, and game plans. Autry, who took over after Jim Boeheim’s departure, might need to find his identity as a coach separate from his predecessor’s long tenure.
- **Assistant Coaching Changes**: If Autry feels limited by his current staff, it might be worth considering changes to the assistant coaching roles to bring in fresh perspectives and strategies.

### 2. **Focus on Player Development**
- **Work on Fundamentals**: Syracuse could invest more time in developing the fundamental skills of their players—shooting consistency, defensive rotations, ball handling, and basketball IQ. Player growth is key, especially for a young team.
- **Boost Team Chemistry**: Sometimes, struggles come from a lack of chemistry. Autry should focus on improving team cohesion and leadership on the court.

### 3. **Recruitment & Roster Changes**
- **Recruiting Priorities**: Syracuse could look to bolster the roster with key recruits who fit Autry’s system, especially in areas where the team may be weak, like scoring or defense.
- **Transfer Portal**: Given the modern landscape of college basketball, exploring the transfer portal for immediate impact players could be crucial in addressing specific needs.

### 4. **Transparency and Communication**
- **Clear Communication with Fans and Alumni**: If the team struggles throughout the season, Autry should engage in open and honest communication with fans, players, and alumni. Setting realistic expectations and explaining the challenges faced could help maintain support.
- **Support from Administration**: Syracuse athletic administration should assess whether Autry is given the necessary resources, such as recruiting support or additional staff, to succeed in his role.

### 5. **Give Autry Time to Adjust**
- **Patience is Key**: Coaching transitions can take time, and Syracuse may need to give Autry a few years to build his program, especially considering the weight of following a legendary coach like Jim Boeheim.
- **Focus on Long-Term Goals**: Instead of expecting immediate success, it could be beneficial for Syracuse to look at long-term growth under Autry’s leadership. This could involve prioritizing building a team culture that aligns with his vision.

### 6. **Pressure to Perform**
- **Accountability**: If Syracuse's performance doesn’t improve and Autry struggles to make progress, the program might have to evaluate whether the direction he is taking the team is sustainable. At some point, poor performance might lead to a reevaluation of his future, particularly if Syracuse fans and boosters demand better results.

Ultimately, whether or not Adrien Autry remains as head coach or if changes are made will depend on how quickly the team can turn things around and how well Autry adapts his approach. While immediate changes may seem tempting, stability and long-term development could be the best approach, given the program’s historical success and the challenges of following a coaching legend like Boeheim.

Your buddy doesn’t seem like he’s ever watched a game in his life. Bring him to Faegan’s before the game on Saturday and I’ll buy him a beer and explain why he’s wrong.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

ChatGPT on what to do about Autry’s poor performance:

Syracuse basketball’s poor performance this season, under head coach Adrien Autry, presents a challenge for both the program and its leadership. If the team’s struggles continue, here are some possible steps Syracuse could take in response:

### 1. **Evaluate Coaching Adjustments**
- **Review Coaching Decisions**: If the team is underperforming, the coaching staff, led by Autry, may need to reflect on their strategies, particularly in key areas like in-game adjustments, player rotations, and game plans. Autry, who took over after Jim Boeheim’s departure, might need to find his identity as a coach separate from his predecessor’s long tenure.
- **Assistant Coaching Changes**: If Autry feels limited by his current staff, it might be worth considering changes to the assistant coaching roles to bring in fresh perspectives and strategies.

### 2. **Focus on Player Development**
- **Work on Fundamentals**: Syracuse could invest more time in developing the fundamental skills of their players—shooting consistency, defensive rotations, ball handling, and basketball IQ. Player growth is key, especially for a young team.
- **Boost Team Chemistry**: Sometimes, struggles come from a lack of chemistry. Autry should focus on improving team cohesion and leadership on the court.

### 3. **Recruitment & Roster Changes**
- **Recruiting Priorities**: Syracuse could look to bolster the roster with key recruits who fit Autry’s system, especially in areas where the team may be weak, like scoring or defense.
- **Transfer Portal**: Given the modern landscape of college basketball, exploring the transfer portal for immediate impact players could be crucial in addressing specific needs.

### 4. **Transparency and Communication**
- **Clear Communication with Fans and Alumni**: If the team struggles throughout the season, Autry should engage in open and honest communication with fans, players, and alumni. Setting realistic expectations and explaining the challenges faced could help maintain support.
- **Support from Administration**: Syracuse athletic administration should assess whether Autry is given the necessary resources, such as recruiting support or additional staff, to succeed in his role.

### 5. **Give Autry Time to Adjust**
- **Patience is Key**: Coaching transitions can take time, and Syracuse may need to give Autry a few years to build his program, especially considering the weight of following a legendary coach like Jim Boeheim.
- **Focus on Long-Term Goals**: Instead of expecting immediate success, it could be beneficial for Syracuse to look at long-term growth under Autry’s leadership. This could involve prioritizing building a team culture that aligns with his vision.

### 6. **Pressure to Perform**
- **Accountability**: If Syracuse's performance doesn’t improve and Autry struggles to make progress, the program might have to evaluate whether the direction he is taking the team is sustainable. At some point, poor performance might lead to a reevaluation of his future, particularly if Syracuse fans and boosters demand better results.

Ultimately, whether or not Adrien Autry remains as head coach or if changes are made will depend on how quickly the team can turn things around and how well Autry adapts his approach. While immediate changes may seem tempting, stability and long-term development could be the best approach, given the program’s historical success and the challenges of following a coaching legend like Boeheim.

Chatgpt? What kind of a name is that? Dutch?
How tall is he?

 

[Zelda Zonk]

I just think there's a difference in being turned off and giving up; the latter seems more permanent and doesn't seem like something a self-described diehard would do.

That’s fair. I just think there’s a lot of levels of nuance in between ‘turned off’ and ‘giving up.’ And I don’t think ‘giving up’ is permanent anyway. People will come back when the product is better. The only significance these levels and proclamations have is the self-aggrandizing meaning the ‘real fans ascribe to them.

Meanwhile, there is absolutely an atrophying of fandom with everyone.

 

[kingtidge]

That’s fair. I just think there’s a lot of levels of nuance in between ‘turned off’ and ‘giving up.’ And I don’t think ‘giving up’ is permanent anyway. People will come back when the product is better. The only significance these levels and proclamations have is the self-aggrandizing meaning the ‘real fans ascribe to them.

Meanwhile, there is absolutely an atrophying of fandom with everyone.

My coping is as follows:

• Watch until it's unwatchable and turn TV to something else (which occurs with regularity now and I make the call usually at start of the 2nd half.)
• Gird ye loins. I don't clap or cheer and I don't get mad or bitch. I approach each game a little dead inside and do not get worked up one way or the other. I can't invest my emotions in this product currently. It gives so little back and is a bad mental transaction to do so.

My hope is that the above is temporary and that we eventually walk back out of the lost wilderness with the right coaching hire, but hopelessness does creep in.

 

[Charbroil]

So - we can’t let Red go now because Melo would be unhappy - but in a year, everything is gonna change for some unknown reason.

The position of the people who want to keep Red is absolutely insane, there’s just no way to justify it - do you realize how absolutely bonkers your position sounds?

I was in a debate with one of the writers on TNIAAM the other day who was steadfast that Red needed another year because of Melo, and he acted like anyone who disagreed was an idiot. I thought I was taking crazy pills because it seemed like such an insane take.

 

[br801]

That’s fair. I just think there’s a lot of levels of nuance in between ‘turned off’ and ‘giving up.’ And I don’t think ‘giving up’ is permanent anyway. People will come back when the product is better. The only significance these levels and proclamations have is the self-aggrandizing meaning the ‘real fans ascribe to them.

Meanwhile, there is absolutely an atrophying of fandom with everyone.

If I start a thread to dramatically announce I just turned off a game at the under 12 minute timeout to go roast chestnuts and watch a Hallmark movie, can I ever again call myself a true fan?

 

[FrancoPizza]

Yes, it is bonkers with the exception that most important SU player in modern history has his son coming to Syracuse. You know the one with his name on the building. That famous guy and his famous family. Probably don't want to alienate him.

Again with the assumptions that Melo wants red to still be here after what has transpired.

 

[kingtidge]

If I start a thread to dramatically announce I just turned off a game at the under 12 minute timeout to go roast chestnuts and watch a Hallmark movie, can I ever again call myself a true fan?

He is diehard college hoops fan who's tortured by his team's terrible performances and is looking for change.

She is a local entrepreneur with a leaf-raking and mulching business on the brink of collapse.

Together, they rake their ways into each other's hearts...

Love in the Leaves - tonight at 8PM on Hallmark.

 

[Sbucketball]

My biggest worry is that Red gets next year and the influx of cash from Melo allows us to get some hired guns and squeak into the tourney on talent alone and thats enough to give Red a couple more years. People keep talking about how important Melo and his money are and while I agree with this, the money in the hands of a poor coach is probably more damaging than good. Im guessing once Kiyan leaves the support isnt going to be nearly as strong from Melo and fear we'd be in the same exact spot as we are now, but 4-5 more years down the line from now where our brand is basically nothing at that point. We'd be going on close to 15 years of irrelevance if this plays out another few years.

Reposting your comment because it didn't get enough attention. This is the main issue.

IF Red isn't the guy, hanging him around for a year or three of Kiyan is just going to make things worse for the program.

 

[grepal]

Folks, we can worry about hoops tomorrow. Let's pump ourselves up and get ready for the Bowl Game this evening.