Dino and the media

[phil77]

Community = Fans - Media - Coaching Staff - School Adminstration - Players

Overracting because everyone talking about bowl game was a certain thing and Babers leaving. Nobody handled the little success against Clemson well from the very top all the way down to the bottom.

 

[dasher]

Dino should not have said any of that. He took out his frustration on others. Never a good look. The fans or the media haven't missed tackles or dropped balls. The fans and the media weren't terrible out coached in the second half against Wake Forrest. Keep your head in the game and coach this week to beat B.C..

 

[dasher]

Community = Fans - Media - Coaching Staff - School Adminstration - Players

Overracting because everyone talking about bowl game was a certain thing and Babers leaving. Nobody handled the little success against Clemson well from the very top all the way down to the bottom.

But only a few of those in that group have had any effect on the games that have been played since Clemson. And the media and the fans and the community aren't it

 

[billsin01]

this stuff is so stupid. taking a shot at the community lol. some of you act like he kicked your dog. i sure didn't think he took a shot at me or my community. maybe those of you who did do have an issue? you're probably the people who yell at cashiers, or skimp on a tip because of the kitchen and not the waitress. some people need to stop being so serious, take the entertainment value from it, laugh a little more and enjoy life. my god.

I agree and disagree. I don’t really care what sports coaches say in pressers ever basically. It’s all just stuff with very little substance. But having said that it is funny that he talks about the ‘community’ since A) it’s not entirely clear who he meant and B) whoever he meant, it’s pretty clear the ‘community’ is largely irrelevant to the play on the field.

 

[IthacaBarrel]

But only a few of those in that group have had any effect on the games that have been played since Clemson. And the media and the fans and the community aren't it

Agree and the thing is if we were 5-6 with this game being the one that decided are bowl fate, I bet you would see people rallying somewhat. Not asking for the world, just .500. Hell a win Saturday would be a great positive at this point heading into off season. I think it's tough for some to understand if you haven't been around here for the last 15 years or so... Been a tough road.

It's going to take a couple years to truly bring the fans back, couple of good years for sure. That said, the university doesn't owe anyone anything either. It's been a dark number of years but Dino is building and I do think things will get better and progress isn't always a straight line, consistency is the only answer, IMO

 

[phil77]

But only a few of those in that group have had any effect on the games that have been played since Clemson. And the media and the fans and the community aren't it

Everyone has effect on the outcome. Maybe not direct effect but they do have effect. These players are not professional they are kids. They read they are better than they are maybe they stop working or game planning as hard. They read there coach is leaving at the end of the season maybe they lose focus. Ect. These are kids and are very impressionable. We already saw them lose focus when Shafer was in the building.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Community? What? What the heck is he talking about? What’s the “community” supposed to do after a Herculean effort and performance VS Clemson. Like Waters said, Babers went on every media outlet doing interviews the immediate days after. Weird quote from Babers.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The press doesn't make it more difficult to produce a winner. That is silly. Every area feeds off negativity. No one likes to lose.

You’re talking to a Saints fan here. We missed the playoffs at 7-9 the last three years and NOLA.com isn’t nearly as critical as Syracuse.com is and that’s a professional team.

 

[rrlbees]

Dino should not have said any of that. He took out his frustration on others. Never a good look. The fans or the media haven't missed tackles or dropped balls. The fans and the media weren't terrible out coached in the second half against Wake Forrest. Keep your head in the game and coach this week to beat B.C..

He used the word we several times. I think he was including himself and the program too.

 

[SmilinBob]

Some people just have to have drama. We're SU fans...our skin should be thicker than over reacting to something like this.

 

[SUFan44]

Our fans and the media are going to do their best to run him off.

Totally agree. Everyone here that has an issue with what he said should seriously re-evaluate their life. And stop trying to run off the best thing that has happened to this football program in a bunch of years.

 

[cuse309]

What process are you pointing at?
Eastern Ill - 2 years, won and gone
BG - 2 years, won and gone
Cuse- 2 years, 8-15

I only ask because Dino hasn't show a process to successfully rebuilding anything, he shows an ability to instantly turn around a team which didn't happen here. The man has never even really played with his own recruits. Next year will be interesting.

I'm referring to the process of rebuilding a dumpster fire of a program in general. That isn't what happened at his other two stops. They weren't a rebuild of a team with 17 years of losing. The process of rebuilding a terrible program almost always, without exception requires 3-4 years to become a respectable team that wins 6-7+ wins a year. The process involves allowing the head coach enough time to recruit and bring in players he selected for the systems he runs on offense and defense. The process requires allowing the coach to build quality depth. That doesn't happen in 2 years. The process, as shown at other schools that were horrible for a long time, like Stanford, k state, Baylor etc involves winning games you shouldn't win and also losing games that make you scratch your head during the process. The bottom line is that 99% of the teams that were turned around, required suffering through inconsistent play during the first 2-3 years. The most recent example I can think of is Clawson at wake. 3-9 his first 2 years. 6 in year 3 and this year he could win 9 and have a statue built. So yes, there is a process of recruiting, winning and losing and learning and suffering.
This doesn't happen in a vacuum. At eastern Illinois, and at BG, he inherited talent that was close to or similar to the rest of the teams in those conferences. Completely different story at SU. He has talent that is nowhere close to the talent of the top teams in the ACC.

 

[JeremyCuse]

Totally agree. Everyone here that has an issue with what he said should seriously re-evaluate their life. And stop trying to run off the best thing that has happened to this football program in a bunch of years.

NO one is trying to run off Babers come on that is absolute nonsense. Its OK to support the guy and also have some criticisms. Its fine to be a huge Babers fan but some of this stuff is way over the top. Also while I like everyone loved the Clemson and Va Tech wins especially Clemson lets at least get to .500 or god forbid a winning season before we start declaring who or what is the best thing to happen to the program.

 

[Pyle]

I'm referring to the process of rebuilding a dumpster fire of a program in general. That isn't what happened at his other two stops. They weren't a rebuild of a team with 17 years of losing. The process of rebuilding a terrible program almost always, without exception requires 3-4 years to become a respectable team that wins 6-7+ wins a year. The process involves allowing the head coach enough time to recruit and bring in players he selected for the systems he runs on offense and defense. The process requires allowing the coach to build quality depth. That doesn't happen in 2 years. The process, as shown at other schools that were horrible for a long time, like Stanford, k state, Baylor etc involves winning games you shouldn't win and also losing games that make you scratch your head during the process. The bottom line is that 99% of the teams that were turned around, required suffering through inconsistent play during the first 2-3 years. The most recent example I can think of is Clawson at wake. 3-9 his first 2 years. 6 in year 3 and this year he could win 9 and have a statue built. So yes, there is a process of recruiting, winning and losing and learning and suffering.
This doesn't happen in a vacuum. At eastern Illinois, and at BG, he inherited talent that was close to or similar to the rest of the teams in those conferences. Completely different story at SU. He has talent that is nowhere close to the talent of the top teams in the ACC.

As long as your referencing the general overall process that all schools attempt then fine. I’m trying to make the point that Dino has never actually done this so we don’t really know if it’s something he’s good at.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

NO one is trying to run off Babers come on that is absolute nonsense. Its OK to support the guy but have some criticisms, it's ok to be a huge Babers fan but some of this stuff is way over the top. Also while I like everyone loved the Clemson and Va Tech wins especially Clemson lets at least get to .500 or god forbid a winning season before we start declaring who or what is the best thing to happen to the program.

I agree with this. I also think he has learned from Boeheim and is doing his best to divert attention from how poorly his team and coaching staff may have done these past few weeks. He knows he can take the criticism and wants the others to focus on the short term goal - BC.

 

[cuse309]

As long as your referencing the general overall process that all schools attempt then fine. I’m trying to make the point that Dino has never actually done this so we don’t really know if it’s something he’s good at.

Agreed. And yes, I'm referencing a "rebuild" in general.

 

[OrangePA]

Here's the full quote:

Looks like he uses the word "we" lot.

This does not appear to be directed to the media but to the team.

It's fine.

 

[OrangePA]

I think Carlson is incorrect.

It seems clear to me he meant the team/the program.

 

[310Pigpen]

We are tired of losing and these last 6 quarters were worse than anything we ever saw from Shafer and border on Gerg levels of terrible. Yes there were some who were convinced we could run the table but I think most people simply felt like our bowl chances were better than ever after Pitt/Clemson so to turn back into a Gergian level team after the 1st half at Wake is kind of a big kick in the testes.

This part is bs. Shafer got blown out against Georgia Tech.

 

[NKR1978]

This sounds like a guy at war with the media...

 

[orangepassion]

well if they keep pissing him off he will be gone once he rights the ship here

The media anywhere he would go would be 1000X tougher. The media here generally really seems to like and support Dino. Heck, they wrote an editorial urging the school to give him an extension.

 

[anomander]

"We" = everyone. Of course the local media is going to interject themselves into the story. What a bunch of BS.

Another point. I know all coaches would say it, but I believe Dino when he says things are going to get turned around. It's not a matter of if, but when. The confidence in themselves that these HC's have to have is insane.

 

[DPCuse]

I know he pointed at the media but if you read his words it sounds like the kids may have gotten over confident and stopped working hard.

 

[orangepassion]

Our fans and the media are going to do their best to run him off.

This makes no sense to me. How are they trying to run him off? They love him. If he leaves, it won't be because of the media.

 

[MadNY3]

Looks like he uses the word "we" lot.

This does not appear to be directed to the media but to the team.

It's fine.

I use the word “we” a lot when my kids don’t pick up after themselves. “Guys, we have to do a better job of doing our chores.”

Babers messed up a little here given how he directed the question, pointed to the press in answering the question.

It’s easy to say “the press took something out of context.” And that’s often true. In this case, Babers demonstrated frustration, which is highly unusual for such a measured public figure. This one deserves the scrutiny.

This wasn’t Kenneth Shaw-esque (“Get a life.”) but it wasn’t an innocent “La Familia” statement.

The guy saw a promising Bowl season go down to another season of the star QB not making it past the first week of November. And he’s frustrated. And passionate about what he does. But you don’t take the accolades and press car wash from an epic win without the anguish from fans and articles (which have NOT been really critical) from losing.

Totally give the guy a pass for being frustrated. Reality is, he said something in a manner he’d like a do-over on.

Just win Saturday.