Discussion on Article Today in PS on NIL and Weitsman

[SmilinBob]

So when Adam or another person pays a player... is that a charity, business expense or just spending money like buying a boat for pleasure?

 

[Orangefan1]

There’s no defending the article now that I read it it does nothing positve for our sports programs. It is imbalanced. The NCAA trying to get some half assed rules together on this is absurd and won’t work ever.

 

[tptcuse]

I just read the article and found it vague and speculative, but mostly it reinforced my belief that the NCAA has no idea what it is doing.

 

[Bayside44]

In order of importance the ACC should call out and cease and desist allowing programs to try to buy players from member schools.

JB shouldn't have "named names" but this is small potatoes.

 

[cuseallday]

The Carlson piece is just click bait for those naive enough to think there would be anything insightful in it.

Eh, I wouldn't say it's clickbait. He talked to a lot of experts. There's just a lot of speculation in the piece, IMO.

 

[FrancoPizza]

Eh, I wouldn't say it's clickbait. He talked to a lot of experts. There's just a lot of speculation in the piece, IMO.

The headline was clickbait if nothing else.

 

[dollarbill44]

The key was the courses were available for all students. It was a good piece of lawyering.

Yeah, sure they were.

 

[cuseallday]

The headline was clickbait if nothing else.

We can agree to disagree

 

[HOFCeluck]

There’s no defending the article now that I read it it does nothing positve for our sports programs. It is imbalanced. The NCAA trying to get some half assed rules together on this is absurd and won’t work ever.

I haven’t read the article and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s bad….but it’s not the job of the PS to be a propaganda arm of the AD.

 

[longtimefan]

I haven’t read the article and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s bad….but it’s not the job of the PS to be a propaganda arm of the AD.

It's also not their job to be the opposite of a propaganda arm--whatever that is.

 

[Eric15]

It's also not their job to be the opposite of a propaganda arm--whatever that is.

Propaganda leg?

 

[HOFCeluck]

It's also not their job to be the opposite of a propaganda arm--whatever that is.

I mean ok, I agree, but I made that post specifically in response to “it does nothing positve for our sports programs” as if that’s an obligation of the PS or something.

 

[Ozone!]

In order of importance the ACC should call out and cease and desist allowing programs to try to buy players from member schools.

JB shouldn't have "named names" but this is small potatoes.

Except that recruits read this stuff and negative press might deter a recruit or his family to want to distance from Cuse.

 

[721Comstock]

Except that recruits read this stuff and negative press might deter a recruit or his family to want to distance from Cuse.

Yes, and Cuse is the only P5 program that has fans post this sorta stuff.

I’m sure BBN is all unicorns and rainbows all the time, hence all their $u¢¢€$$ in crootin.

 

[Bayside44]

Except that recruits read this stuff and negative press might deter a recruit or his family to want to distance from Cuse.

?

 

[Orangefan1]

I haven’t read the article and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s bad….but it’s not the job of the PS to be a propaganda arm of the AD.

I haven’t read the article and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s bad….but it’s not the job of the PS to be a propaganda arm of the AD.

It’s not the job of the post standard but they have to a little more aware of how it can affect an entire community when syracuse sports isn’t relevant. Unfortunately they don’t or won’t because as you stated they aren’t, but the reality is we will continue to suck unless we finally after 18 months successfully bring a recruit in all legally btw and have some momentum? Finally have a booster willing to do things the right way and he’s trashed and embarrassed in public for no reason?? Why not write and investigate the countless boosters from across the country and put them by name for every school in the country. List all of them and be transparent….maybe you’ll find those that don’t abide by the rules and get away with anything they want anyways. The NCAA time and time again picks and chooses who to investigate. JB overstepped recently with his comments. We all know what will probably end up happening….this article will follow another article and it will only end up finding out exactly what Weistman already told them in an up front manner btw and in public. Go ahead and investigate and talk to a lawyer in Massachusetts and New Jersey who aren’t Syracuse fans to begin with to back your article…yeah that’s great

 

[HOFCeluck]

It’s not the job of the post standard but they have to a little more aware of how it can affect an entire community when syracuse sports isn’t relevant. Unfortunately they don’t or won’t because as you stated they aren’t, but the reality is we will continue to suck unless we finally after 18 months successfully bring a recruit in all legally btw and have some momentum?

They don’t have to be aware of that. They’re a newspaper. Not a cheerleader or a booster for SU.

Finally have a booster willing to do things the right way and he’s trashed and embarrassed in public for no reason??

You’re assuming facts not in evidence here.

Why not write and investigate the countless boosters from across the country and put them by name for every school in the country.

Because they’re a Syracuse newspaper, not Durham, Lawrence, Chapel Hill, or Houston’s newspaper.

By the way, I cannot stress enough how paragraphs make posts that much easier to read.

 

[tbonezone]

how about this. NO NIL MONEY TIL SOPHMORE YEAR.
goodbye tampering. which is what we now got.

 

[CuseTroop]

how about this. NO NIL MONEY TIL SOPHMORE YEAR.
goodbye tampering. which is what we now got.

Half of me likes that,
The other half thinks people should get to decide when someone is able to earn money.

 

[tbonezone]

early exit was bad for the sport. the transfer portal even worse. the abuse of the NIL is the kill shot to amateur college athletics as we knew it.

 

[FrancoPizza]

how about this. NO NIL MONEY TIL SOPHMORE YEAR.
goodbye tampering. which is what we now got.

Even so, most athletes will tell you it's the second NIL contract where they earn the big $.

 

[djcon57]

how about this. NO NIL MONEY TIL SOPHMORE YEAR.
goodbye tampering. which is what we now got.

Good luck getting the courts to agree to this.

 

[TheCusian]

The challenge that Adam and other similar boosters are faced with is dealing with an NCAA that has narrowly (and poorly) defined what NIL is and how it is supposed to be applied. Tee shirts, autographs, public appearances, etc were the intended vehicles for redistributing a minimal amount of $$ to current college athletes. It was never intended to be a vehicle to facilitate a bidding war between fellow colleges and universities to attract athletes to their program and create what is essentially a pay for play environment. That is entirely foreign to the whole concept of what the NCAA supposedly stands for,

No where in their minds eye could they ever see how the NIL concept could be manipulated to include $$ to influence high school players in their recruitment process. Now they have to scramble to address what they see as an unsavory aspect of college athletics because they didn't dot all the I's and cross all the T's when they first rolled out the program.

How successful the NCAA will be remains to be seen, but unlike others I would not rule them out. I'm not sure college administrators are ready for the free-for-all that would ensue.

This is a bit naive. I think they 100% knew it would be a giant problem and when they lost the case in court, decided to open the flood gates in an attempt to say "here, this is what you want" so they could be "right" in the end.

The best option was to realize that opening this can of worms was a) inevitable b) the right thing to do by the players and c) a major opportunity. An empowered NCAA could have said "we are going to work with all of the major stakeholders to ensure a fair and equitable situation for players AND programs" and upon agreement, the rules will be agreed to by all member institutions and iron-clad. This was the part that never happened. But they 100% knew it would end up exactly like it has.

 

[Eric15]

early exit was bad for the sport.

I agree that college basketball was much better when stars stayed 3-4 years. But there's just no way around it. You can't force human beings to entertain you for free when there is a free market demand for their skill.

 

[OCESIP]

This is a bit naive. I think they 100% knew it would be a giant problem and when they lost the case in court, decided to open the flood gates in an attempt to say "here, this is what you want" so they could be "right" in the end.

The best option was to realize that opening this can of worms was a) inevitable b) the right thing to do by the players and c) a major opportunity. An empowered NCAA could have said "we are going to work with all of the major stakeholders to ensure a fair and equitable situation for players AND programs" and upon agreement, the rules will be agreed to by all member institutions and iron-clad. This was the part that never happened. But they 100% knew it would end up exactly like it has.

The concept of "NIL" that the NCAA developed only addressed "enrolled student athletes". To my knowledge, I've never read anything officially published by the NCAA that directly addresses high school athletes other than NIL cannot be used for recruiting. I honestly think the NCAA assumed that paying high school athletes as an enticement to enroll was an obvious and universally unacceptable concept by all parties. The court ruling was very limited and primarily addressed antitrust issues and the definition of amateurism. That's what the NCAA hoped to address with NIL.