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Does the frustration of the fanbase even matter to the AD?

They have a bunch of wins against no one and like us they were throttled by this boards beloved Duke team. We aren’t even talking about top 25.

Top 40?

What are we freaking Providence or Seton Hall?

Good grief.

Yeah it was close pretty fun game to watch. But we threw everything at them and OT wasn’t close.

That’s one of those games that SU wins with a “normal” team from the last 4-5 years and blows them out with a typical SU team.

We aren't even those teams. We haven't played a ranked conference game since 2014. Both those teams have this year as well as the last few I believe.

Normal team from the last 4-5 years? Well, UNC can play that game as well. Fact is, our "normal" team from the last 4-5 years has had its lunch generally eaten by the Tarheels, as the head to head record suggests. We have been nothing but a middle of the pack, middling team in our conference for 8 years now.

And, these last 8 years of complete and utter mediocrity is our new 'normal.' It's a tough pill to swallow for sure, but we need to get out of that denial stage of who we are, not just in the moment, but for quite an extended period of time. Sad for sure, and next year will, in all probability, simply be more of the same...
 
You can't look at it from our perspective. Look at what the national media would see. A HOF NC winning head coach that has always been loyal to the school and had 45 straight winning records was forced out. If we saw any other program do that, we'd talk about how entitled they are. That's exactky how we would be viewed. Changes need to be made quietly behind the scenes.
What are you even talking about?

Our program stinks. We're 15-15.

Your nostalgia is skewing your ability to see the real picture. Our program is irrelevant on the national scale. Nobody in the national media even talks about us.
 
My biggest question is when does it end? 8 years of mediocrity and that isn't enough to get JB "forced out" So what is? 10 years 15 years? Like what is the end game? At the age of 82, he finally turns it around? I see no light at the end of the tunnel.

If any other coach ever had a 5 year run of mediocrity that JB has I would expect them to be fired. We are only holding onto JB because of the past nothing else at this point but again how long? How long does that last?
 
If any other coach ever had a 5 year run of mediocrity that JB has I would expect them to be fired. We are only holding onto JB because of the past nothing else at this point but again how long? How long does that last?
In the last five years (counting this season), JAB has led Cuse to two Sweet Sixteens and a round of 64. Most pedestrian fans won't realize that from 03-04 to 07-08 was actually the worst five-year run for postseason in Boeheim's tenure with only one Sweet Sixteen and two rounds of 64 to show for it. Of course, the regular seasons were better, and we were coming off a National Championship. Plus, JAB was almost 20 years younger. However, there are many schools out there that would take three NCAA appearances in five years including two Sweet Sixteens. Sure, it's well below our expectations but mediocrity would be more along the lines of zero post season appearances.
 
In the last five years (counting this season), JAB has led Cuse to two Sweet Sixteens and a round of 64. Most pedestrian fans won't realize that from 03-04 to 07-08 was actually the worst five-year run for postseason in Boeheim's tenure with only one Sweet Sixteen and two rounds of 64 to show for it. Of course, the regular seasons were better, and we were coming off a National Championship. Plus, JAB was almost 20 years younger. However, there are many schools out there that would take three NCAA appearances in five years including two Sweet Sixteens. Sure, it's well below our expectations but mediocrity would be more along the lines of zero post season appearances.
we were bringing in elite talent then. Now we aren’t.
 
What are you even talking about?

Our program stinks. We're 15-15.

Your nostalgia is skewing your ability to see the real picture. Our program is irrelevant on the national scale. Nobody in the national media even talks about us.
You obviously don't pay attention to my posts. I agree we stink compared to where we used to be and where we should be. I've been critical of JB and the program for a while. That's not the argument. The argument is the national perception of pushing out a HOF NC winning coach that has had 45 consecutive winning seasons. I agree it is time for him to step aside. What I am saying is Wildhack and the university look like a jerks nationally if he is pushed out before the team actually has a losing record or maybe even multiple losing records.
 
This!
He is in control of his own destiny.
He hates being at home, just listen to him talk about quarantining during the pandemic. He hates it and sounds like his wife hated it too. His hobbies are golf and he does that during off season.
His life passion is Syracuse basketball. And he will never willingly give that up.
He has already said he’s coming back and has no interest in not coaching Cuse.
Hes here until he gets the all time win total. I thought he go till 80. Might be 84 85
 
I don’t get how we can have a smart and talented AD and he can’t do anything to help the basketball program.
Just use your brain and look at this year’s to roster situation and then look at next year’s barring major major upgrades it’s not going to turn around next year.

How does Wildhack not see this and if he does and nothing changes it’s maddening.
SU football has actual disadvantages and limitations.
SU Basketball is not relevant at all.

The fanbase is overwhelmingly getting the issues. Jim Boeheim is not getting it done and its not a one year problem.
FWIW, I have been told repeatedly by very connected people that JW definitely cares about what the fans think and fully understands the frustration. The type of pot shots being made in this and similar threads are, to be kind, misguided and uniformed. I don't necessarily expect anyone to take my assertions at face value. We are all entitled to our opinions. But, I would encourage people to look at the model that we have already seen play out with the football program. Tremendous resources and private donations have been dedicated (with more to come), obstacles to success have been identified and prioritized, directives were given to address staff and program issues, and the HC was given the budget to attract high quality additions. This was all done, with purpose and a plan, behind the scenes, without calling anyone out publicly, and without dedicating funds to a buy out.

When it comes to replacing a living legend and the face of Syracuse basketball, the issues are compounded, multifaceted and nuanced despite the heart-felt emotional reactions by some that this should be black and white. It's not. To think that JW is unaware, doesn't care, can't or refuses to do anything, is accepting of mediocrity, is only interested in cashing checks, or whatever else you guys come up with, is...misguided.

I won't pretend to know any of the details or even guess at the specifics, but I believe that contingency plans have been developed and are being adapted as events unfold. Candidates have been identified (ongoing). Difficult discussions are going on behind closed doors. And none of that will be made public by the AD, at least not during the process. JB's exit will be handled with dignity. He has earned the right to be part of the process, but is not the ultimate decision maker. Let's hope he doesn't try to force his will.
 
we were bringing in elite talent then. Now we aren’t.
And we had the same argument about guys like Josh Wright (top 50), Dayshawn Wright (top 100), Mike Jones (top 40) like we have had with Jalen Carey (top 100), Brycen Goodine (top 100), Matt Moyer (top 75) Taurean Thompson (top 75), Kaleb Joseph (top 50). Not everyone lives up to their rankings unfortunately, but I think two of the things that hurt us the most this year was losing Richmond, and Benny not living up to his hype where a Braswell might have made a bigger difference. There was nothing wrong with Jimmy and Cole, but they had to carry more weight at forward that probably anyone had anticipated. The guard situation was inevitable. We don't know what went on behind the scenes, but Symir ended up being our only option in the portal. JAB rolled the dice and we all lost. Let's just hope the situation is better next season.
 
FWIW, I have been told repeatedly by very connected people that JW definitely cares about what the fans think and fully understands the frustration. The type of pot shots being made in this and similar threads are, to be kind, misguided and uniformed. I don't necessarily expect anyone to take my assertions at face value. We are all entitled to our opinions. But, I would encourage people to look at the model that we have already seen play out with the football program. Tremendous resources and private donations have been dedicated (with more to come), obstacles to success have been identified and prioritized, directives were given to address staff and program issues, and the HC was given the budget to attract high quality additions. This was all done, with purpose and a plan, behind the scenes, without calling anyone out publicly, and without dedicating funds to a buy out.

When it comes to replacing a living legend and the face of Syracuse basketball, the issues are compounded, multifaceted and nuanced despite the heart-felt emotional reactions by some that this should be black and white. It's not. To think that JW is unaware, doesn't care, can't or refuses to do anything, is accepting of mediocrity, is only interested in cashing checks, or whatever else you guys come up with, is...misguided.

I won't pretend to know any of the details or even guess at the specifics, but I believe that contingency plans have been developed and are being adapted as events unfold. Candidates have been identified (ongoing). Difficult discussions are going on behind closed doors. And none of that will be made public by the AD, at least not during the process. JB's exit will be handled with dignity. He has earned the right to be part of the process, but is not the ultimate decision maker. Let's hope he doesn't try to force his will.
Great post. Some folks should read it a few times and take it to heart.
 
Agree with you. Can't force out JB. But we can force him to make a change and hire from outside the program as a coach in waiting. That's the only way we would get a top assistant to come here right now. We're going to be hiring an assistant coach with no experience anyway, might as well be one who can bring in top 25 recruits again.
I'm not sure what exactly he can be forced to change, but Wildhack is his boss. If I don't do my job as expected my boss will have a discussion with me and lay out a few things. This season isn't an isolated occurrence. It's simply the lowest point so far in a long slide. It's Wildhack's job to make it clear the direction needs to change. We'll never know exactly what those conversations look like, but I have to believe there'll be conversations.
 
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You obviously don't pay attention to my posts. I agree we stink compared to where we used to be and where we should be. I've been critical of JB and the program for a while. That's not the argument. The argument is the national perception of pushing out a HOF NC winning coach that has had 45 consecutive winning seasons. I agree it is time for him to step aside. What I am saying is Wildhack and the university look like a jerks nationally if he is pushed out before the team actually has a losing record or maybe even multiple losing records.
Who cares? Tough decisions aren't loved by everyone. Everyone knows - including the media - that the product on the floor for Syracuse University basketball has deteriorated and is no longer nationally relevant.

I think the donor pushback piece is more critical and is more debatable than the public perception argument.
 
Who cares? Tough decisions aren't loved by everyone. Everyone knows - including the media - that the product on the floor for Syracuse University basketball has deteriorated and is no longer nationally relevant.

I think the donor pushback piece is more critical and is more debatable than the public perception argument.
Who cares? I bet Syracuse University cares. As 007 pointed out above. This isn't as cut and dry as other coaching changes. You don't crap on the most visible and well known ambassador the university has ever had.
 
One bad year and this fan base is ready to throw it away. (And don’t give me the steady decline crap. We’ve had several of those and weathered them back to revelence.)

JB has earned his long leash. He’s brought more value to the university and program that it can possibly give back to him. He built it, he can survive a bad season.

Simmer down.
 
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JB has earned his long leash. He’s brought more value to the university and program that it can possibly give back to him. He built it, he can survive a bad season.
People keep saying this like JB hasn't gotten anything out of his SU relationship. Just as JB has been great to and loyal to Syracuse over the years, Syracuse has been great to and very loyal towards him over the years through violations and more (including some scary-looking suits before Juli came in the picture). Heck, if SU didn't offer him the job way back, he'd be coaching at Rochester and who knows what happens from there?
 
One bad year and this fan base is ready to throw it away. (And don’t give me the steady decline crap. We’ve had several of those and weathered them back to revelence.)

JB has earned his long leash. He’s brought more value to the university and program that it can possibly give back to him. He built it, he can survive a bad season.

Simmer down.
LOL this is the mindset that is the problem.
 
FWIW, I have been told repeatedly by very connected people that JW definitely cares about what the fans think and fully understands the frustration. The type of pot shots being made in this and similar threads are, to be kind, misguided and uniformed. I don't necessarily expect anyone to take my assertions at face value. We are all entitled to our opinions. But, I would encourage people to look at the model that we have already seen play out with the football program. Tremendous resources and private donations have been dedicated (with more to come), obstacles to success have been identified and prioritized, directives were given to address staff and program issues, and the HC was given the budget to attract high quality additions. This was all done, with purpose and a plan, behind the scenes, without calling anyone out publicly, and without dedicating funds to a buy out.

When it comes to replacing a living legend and the face of Syracuse basketball, the issues are compounded, multifaceted and nuanced despite the heart-felt emotional reactions by some that this should be black and white. It's not. To think that JW is unaware, doesn't care, can't or refuses to do anything, is accepting of mediocrity, is only interested in cashing checks, or whatever else you guys come up with, is...misguided.

I won't pretend to know any of the details or even guess at the specifics, but I believe that contingency plans have been developed and are being adapted as events unfold. Candidates have been identified (ongoing). Difficult discussions are going on behind closed doors. And none of that will be made public by the AD, at least not during the process. JB's exit will be handled with dignity. He has earned the right to be part of the process, but is not the ultimate decision maker. Let's hope he doesn't try to force his will.
How long does JB want?
He doesn’t appear one year away.

I respect the man immensely. I just look at the fact of where we are in the landscape of the sport.

We are playing a different sport.
 
LOL this is the mindset that is the problem.
Why? You think he deserves to be fired after 1 bad year and 40+ that made him HoF?

I don’t post on the CBB side because of this nonsense. Y’all got yourselves all riled up and lost perspective.

I’m frustrated too! But c’mon. This isn’t hard. The guy built the program. We just were in the sweet 16 last year?! How does it look to fire the face of the program for 1 bad year?!
 
How long does JB want?
He doesn’t appear one year away.

I respect the man immensely. I just look at the fact of where we are in the landscape of the sport.

We are playing a different sport…
This season. He took a chance on having a bunch of shooters and it didn’t work.
 
One bad year and this fan base is ready to throw it away. (And don’t give me the steady decline crap. We’ve had several of those and weathered them back to revelence.)

JB has earned his long leash. He’s brought more value to the university and program that it can possibly give back to him. He built it, he can survive a bad season.

Simmer down.
This isn’t about one year and if you don’t get that its your right but I don’t want to spend the energy doing a very detailed post.
 
One bad year and this fan base is ready to throw it away. (And don’t give me the steady decline crap. We’ve had several of those and weathered them back to revelence.)

JB has earned his long leash. He’s brought more value to the university and program that it can possibly give back to him. He built it, he can survive a bad season.

Simmer down.
Nothing was more predictable than this post from you, all due respect.
 
This year is not bad enough to force him out. It only feels like a disaster because of the standard set by the guy who raised the expectations so much.

I'm not going to lose my mind over a year of daddyball. He's not throwing Saul Smith out there

I agree with everyone pointing out the decline, I'm just saying I'm willing to suck it up because of my gratitude
 
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