Dome Renovation

[Cusefan78]

Where is the money coming from? I smell the State being involved somehow.

This is just a guess but how about one more middle finger from cuomo and Mahoney to miner. A little parting gift to our short sighted mayor. Does anyone remember the number they offered last time before miner shot it down I would guess that number if not more from the state. I could see 200 million considering how much the state has invested in other areas.

 

[rrlbees]

I think you're correct and a mistake was made. I'm going to update the OP and any responses that included the article.

I completely trust CL so I'm not deleting it. She doesn't have a sub there and if she says it was free when she copied and pasted it...then it was free. They must have changed their mind.

 

[NJCuse97]

One would think with Newhouse being what it is they would want something like this anyways. I remember someone saying they wanted to use the renovated dome as a teaching aid.

That may have been me. I love your exuberance, but I think it and more so the boasting should be a bit tempered. I really doubt any of this article is fact or foregone conclusion. It's just a collection of good and exciting ideas. You don't hurry into spending $400 million dollars you don't even have. You don't alter and expand educational facilities without talking to deans and professors first. You don't rebuild student rec centers without studying what students want/need. Now some of that may be in the master plan documents, but in my experience, it's never enough to bid with let alone break ground with. There is almost no way one design firm does all this. The volume of work would choke a firm and produce inferior work, or expose the projects to huge risks, not the least of which include cost overruns.

 

[BVille44]

...so, outside of the hotel part...basically what's been discussed on this board for more than a month?

I heard about the hotel at a homecoming event this weekend. I for one am not looking forward to driving to Buffalo or NJ for all our games next year but when the project is finished it sounds like the stadium will be on of the nicest in college football.

 

[NJCuse97]

This is just a guess but how about one more middle finger from cuomo and Mahoney to miner. A little parting gift to our short sighted mayor. Does anyone remember the number they offered last time before miner shot it down I would guess that number if not more from the state. I could see 200 million considering how much the state has invested in other areas.

Isn't Cuomo under investigation for his Buffalo dealings? I've got a feeling the state may lay low on this one.

 

[Cusefan78]

That may have been me. I love your exuberance, but I think it and more so the boasting should be a bit tempered. I really doubt any of this article is fact or foregone conclusion. It's just a collection of good and exciting ideas. You don't hurry into spending $400 million dollars you don't even have. You don't alter and expand educational facilities without talking to deans and professors first. You don't rebuild student rec centers without studying what students want/need. Now some of that may be in the master plan documents, but in my experience, it's never enough to bid with let alone break ground with. There is almost no way one design firm does all this. The volume of work would choke a firm and produce inferior work, or expose the projects to huge risks, not the least of which include cost overruns.

When I first heard all this I shared and still do all your points. What I was told this has been studied for years

 

[Toga]

That may have been me. I love your exuberance, but I think it and more so the boasting should be a bit tempered. I really doubt any of this article is fact or foregone conclusion. It's just a collection of good and exciting ideas. You don't hurry into spending $400 million dollars you don't even have. You don't alter and expand educational facilities without talking to deans and professors first. You don't rebuild student rec centers without studying what students want/need. Now some of that may be in the master plan documents, but in my experience, it's never enough to bid with let alone break ground with. There is almost no way one design firm does all this. The volume of work would choke a firm and produce inferior work, or expose the projects to huge risks, not the least of which include cost overruns.

At this point I would normally say "follow the money" as far as who is awarded the work, but Preet Bharara is so far up Cuomo's rear end at the moment, I'm not sure that will be the case here.

 

[rrlbees]

When I first heard all this I shared and still do all your points. What I was told this has been studied for years

I can assure you some aspects of this has been studied for years. You are correct.

 

[xc84]

There's a 0% chance of Syracuse ever hosting a Final Four. Not enough hotel space, not enough hotels within walking distance, not enough parking, not enough businesses in the Dome vicinity to accomodate fans (100,000 were in downtown Atlanta during 2013 Final Four), etc. Heck, New Orleans and St. Louis were just turned down during the last round of bidding.

The unique things with the dome is it is an on campus facility. It might be enough to make it more attractive to host a championship on an actual campus.

 

[Cusefan78]

At this point I would normally say "follow the money" as far as who is awarded the work, but Preet Bharara is so far up Cuomo's rear end at the moment, I'm not sure that will be the case here.

I'm not a cuomo fan by any means but he does seem to get large projects completed. I'm guessing he isn't finished yet. Bharara has some skeletons that will eventually come out and slow down his hunt on cuomo. I just can't see Syracuse being able to raise that kind of money without state funding and bonds and these rumors and studies don't get this far without them sniffing around for money first.

 

[CusefanATL]

I wouldn't say 0%. The thing that would hurt us is things to do for fans. Last I heard we were real close in hotel rooms and we needed more media space and capabilities. This could resolve those and at least make us "eligible.

I've always heard the opposite regarding how close we were to hotels.

And didnt you notice the cluster with 7-8k LSU fans and maybe 3k parents? People were staying in Skan motels.

This will be 45k people. I think we are going to need Congel to fulfill a promise or 2 at Destiny to get close.

 

[CusefanATL]

Where is the money coming from? I smell the State being involved somehow.

Would anyone care at all if it was called the Saudi Arabian Royal Dome?

 

[rrlbees]

I've always heard the opposite regarding how close we were to hotels. And didnt you notice the cluster with 7-8k LSU fans and maybe 3k parents? People were staying in Skan motels. This will be 45k people. I think we are going to need Congel to fulfill a promise or 2 at Destiny to get close.

Make up your mind man. You even said 3-4 hotels.

 

[CusefanATL]

Make up your mind man. You even said 3-4 hotels.

Yeah, i guess that came out wrong. I'm no good with a kid and a computer. I have no idea how many actual hotels are needed, but I've heard "thousands" of rooms.

I have no idea how far of a radius they go to count hotels either. No way turning stone could be counted, right? You take those away and give the schools 4 of the nicer hotels - and its slim picking for everyone else and media after that.

im not give syracuse a 0% chance of hosting a final 4 - but Im not giving it higher than 3%. This stadium would have to be unbelievable or just think the journalistic response to the announcement. I would be fighting everyone I saw in Atl and their sniping comments.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Yeah, i guess that came out wrong. I'm no good with a kid and a computer. I have no idea how many actual hotels are needed, but I've heard "thousands" of rooms.

I have no idea how far of a radius they go to count hotels either. No way turning stone could be counted, right? You take those away and give the schools 4 of the nicer hotels - and its slim picking for everyone else and media after that.

im not give syracuse a 0% chance of hosting a final 4 - but Im not giving it higher than 3%. This stadium would have to be unbelievable or just think the journalistic response to the announcement. I would be fighting everyone I saw in Atl and their sniping comments.

Casinos and the NCAA don't exactly mesh.

 

[rrlbees]

Casinos and the NCAA don't exactly mesh.

Hey, when I was in NO in 2003 we went to the casino and it was nearby.

 

[Cuseregular]

Where is the money coming from? I smell the State being involved somehow.

yeah right, if they're really talking about $400-500 mil. there's no way the state doesn't get involved in some way shape and form. And if they're kicking in a significant amount (which I'd imagine HAS to be the case with these numbers), I can see them seriously lobbying for a downtown location to benefit city and state as well.

If this was a "small" ($30-40 mil.) reno/remod. mostly privately funded project then different do whatever you want to do up there, but with likely no way to make this happen without a large state kick in then I'd hope they get involved and say it goes downtown by Destiny or nothing. Gonna be interesting and in allowing my upstate pessimisstic glass half empty side to kick in for a second, I fully expect them to of course do the wrong thing and the thing that makes the least sense.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

Hey, when I was in NO in 2003 we went to the casino and it was nearby.

Pretty sure the NCAA frowns upon using casinos as official hotels during tournaments, so they don't count the rooms towards the required count.

Have there ever been March Madness games in Vegas?

Odd, because the Big West used to have their tourney at Thomas & Mack all the time.

 

[TexanMark]

...so, outside of the hotel part...basically what's been discussed on this board for more than a month?

Some smart guy has been talking about adding a hotel to the West side of the Dome for years
http://syracusefan.com/threads/does-the-dome-need-to-be-refurbished.64828/#post-864903

 

[TexanMark]

Gonna be interesting and in allowing my upstate pessimisstic glass half empty side to kick in for a second, I fully expect them to of course do the wrong thing and the thing that makes the least sense.

Newsflash: Cuse Dome Reno, SU accepts $3.0M to extend naming rights of renovated Dome in lieu of Carrier's offer to install A/C.

 

[oldpinepoint]

Hotel would make sense actually, closer to campus then the Sheraton and it wouldn't be semi used for student housing

 

[Chip]

I don't care if it's missing a wall or two. I still hope they play the VT game next year on campus.

 

[Crusty]

Newsflash: Cuse Dome Reno, SU accepts $3.0M to extend naming rights of renovated Dome in lieu of Carrier's offer to install A/C.

Stop it! Ugh.

 

[cuseguy]

We need to stop worrying about how Dome renovations and possible new hotels might enhance our chances of getting a Final 4. Least of my concerns. We need to hope it's a shot in the back for our programs that play in the Dome.

 

[McNabb2Brominski]

Seems like a hefty price tag for just renovations. IMO, spend a little bit more and just build a damn new arena. They built Jerry Jones' arena for about 1 billion...and we would be spending half that for renovations?