Duke Postgame

[AZOrange]

What “way” is that exactly?

 

[NineOneSeven]

This team would struggle to beat the Duke women’s team at Cameron.

Not to derail this thread but….. no. Kyle would have 20 dunks.

 

[swish7]

People are inevitably going to complain about talent and NIL, but SMU, Clemson, VT, Georgia Tech and BC all didn’t get boat raced like this in Cameron. A big problem with Red is his teams don’t play hard enough and they quit when it gets hard.

'And they quit when it gets hard' which is so true.

Oddly, its the antithesis of who he was as a player.

 

[swish7]

As if our latest round of humiliation couldn't get any worse... JJ's uncle chimes in. I can't believe that SU is going to let Autry and this staff finish the season out. Just a complete disaster of a situation that is only going to keep getting worse.

And this after banking his career on that kid, wow...

 

[Ttk.gman2]

This team would struggle to beat the Duke women’s team at Cameron.

This team is horrible we overpaid for everyone should of gave the budget to other sports team

 

[Ttk.gman2]

Develop guys for what purpose? None of them will be here.

Develop them for their future

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Turned it off early in the second half and watched a documentary about Jeffrey Epstein. That was more enjoyable.

Well you basically switched from watching one form of abuse of kids to another

 

[STEVEHOLT]

Pretty sure too late.

God forbid we lose that year of eligibility before he declares for the draft

 

[Fly Rodder]

Develop them for their future

AZOrange usually knows what’s happening with players. Theres no point in developing them because they’re not staying.

 

[grepal]

Yup. Duke beat us worse than any ACC team they’ve played. The usual suspects will say (in private threads) that it’s NIL and that “the board” is stupid. But they’re wrong.

Red is worse than Greg Robinson. Way worse.

How to fix this if NIL stays the same. What are the answers. A new coach may help but JaycWright ain't walking through that door. And he does not want to coach in the NIL era. A mid major success, the ACC is a different animal. Zero recruits coming, likely massive roster over haul. This is scary territory for the program.

 

[dan7800]

How to fix this if NIL stays the same. What are the answers. A new coach may help but JaycWright ain't walking through that door. And he does not want to coach in the NIL era. A mid major success, the ACC is a different animal. Zero recruits coming, likely massive roster over haul. This is scary territory for the program.

This team doesn't have FF talent, but is more talented than their record. On no planet should teams like BC, Hofstra beat SU. Heck, there were plenty of cupcakes that were far too close for comfort.

 

[dollarbill44]

I envision there is a secret weekly meeting with JJ’s uncle, Tommy’s dad and Judah’s grandpa. They sit around complaining about all the coaches and why their kids are the best

There is. Sometimes they get special guests, too, like OBJ's dad, and Buddy Boeheim's dad.

 

[Newhouser]

I’m loathe to put everything on JJ’s shoulders. No, he’s not an efficient producer. But he takes so many shots because he is the only player quick enough and versatile enough to get/create shots. We’d all like Kingz’ percentage, but Kingz doesn’t do enough to get more shot opportunities. I don’t think JJ is a chucker. He doesn’t take a lot of bad shots. He might miss them badly, but he works for those opportunities and takes open threes.

His inefficiency is a fault of the (lack of an) offensive scheme and a lack of foresight, insight, and execution. That’s on the staff. JJ should not be a first option on a good team. Unfortunately, Donnie doesn’t play like someone who is disciplined to recognize what he should do, Kingz isn’t consistently dynamic enough, George can’t beat his man…. All because it seems like the team just goes out and does what is comfortable, and not what is necessary.

I agree with this - not defending JJ but in a lot of these spots he is the only player who doesn't look like a deer in headlights on offense. We have no Alphas and that may be coaching and culture but hustling, toughness, etc is an individual thing as well.

And please don't think I am supporting Red or JJ but the players lack individual accountability on a massive scale.

 

[CapitalO]

It would have been nice if Red played the rest of the guys on the bench the last 2 minutes mainly Calvin Russell, just for the sake of a lifetime memory in basketball playing in Cameron indoor stadium, although I'm sure Calvin will creates many lifetime memories as an SU. football player.

 

[Scooch]

How to fix this if NIL stays the same. What are the answers. A new coach may help but JaycWright ain't walking through that door. And he does not want to coach in the NIL era. A mid major success, the ACC is a different animal. Zero recruits coming, likely massive roster over haul. This is scary territory for the program.

One of the criteria for the new coach will be his fundraising ability. That's a skill that Autry doesn't have and why we built the horrendous roster we did last season.

Done correctly, a new coaching hire will generate excitement and unlock dollars that currently the program doesn't have access to.

We'll never be Duke or Louisville, nor do we need to be. There are schools all over the top 25 right now that had considerably less NIL and player comp than we did.

 

[RedtheGOB]

I'll let others answer this. I am sure a lot of us are embarrassed. It is our school. It does not represent my expectations at the moment. Frustrated also. But it is not a product I can be proud of and a poor reflection of a school I have given 25 years of my time and treasure in various volunteer board positions. It reflects poorly on Syracuse University that they put such a poor product in the national spotlight. I know it is a sticky situation if they should let a coach go in the middle of the season, but they could make a public announcement that while Autry will finish this season, he will not be retained for next season.

I always figured the announcement if any came would be after UNC this Saturday. There's a whole week off after this Saturday. If he drops another egg at home, just feels like there is going to be a riot

 

[CuseFaninVT]

It’s amazing to me that people think JJ was an actual option and that he could improve. He’s shown us everything he’s got, his ceiling. Sticking with him was Red’s actual mistake. Fatal it turns out.

 

[Fly Rodder]

I agree with this - not defending JJ but in a lot of these spots he is the only player who doesn't look like a deer in headlights on offense. We have no Alphas and that may be coaching and culture but hustling, toughness, etc is an individual thing as well.

And please don't think I am supporting Red or JJ but the players lack individual accountability on a massive scale.

It is the player-coach nexus that is failing. I don’t think there is one person on here who faults JJ or Red as a person. They are doing a disservice to each other though. JJ shouldn’t have to carry the offense in his shoulders and Red shouldn’t be asking him to. But he has for three seasons now. That said, JJ has to make better shot decisions on the court. Every turnaround jumper, fade away, crazy toss at the backboard or long three is much more likely to be a turnover than points for SU.

 

[Scooch]

It’s amazing to me that people think JJ was an actual option and that he could improve. He’s shown us everything he’s got, his ceiling. Sticking with him was Red’s actual mistake. Fatal it turns out.

I was in favor of brining JJ back and I still believe that, with a coach who knows what he's doing, JJ could be a net-positive player for a good team.

The problem, as has been beaten to death here, is that JJ simply cannot be your 32+ minute/game, leading shot taker. And that's what he is. No one has taken more shots per game for us in ACC play than him.

On a team with Freeman, Kingz, Betsey, etc. that's unconscionable and a reflection of a staff that no clue how to run an offense.

 

[Newhouser]

It would have been nice if Red played the rest of the guys on the bench the last 2 minutes mainly Calvin Russell, just for the sake of a lifetime memory in basketball playing in Cameron indoor stadium, although I'm sure Calvin will creates many lifetime memories as an SU. football player.

I thought Russell didn't make the trip but I get your point. though actually I think the guys who played like dogs should have to play it out until the bitter end.

 

[Cusefan0307]

Per 100 possessions JJ is our worst starter. He is slightly ahead of Kiyan in PER. There’s no justification for these shot attempts. A good coach would have featured Donnie and Kingz more. We are throwing possessions away with him firing this much.

 

[CapitalO]

I thought Russell didn't make the trip but I get your point. though actually I think the guys who played like dogs should have to play it out until the bitter end.

About 1 minute after I posted my coworker mentioned Calvin was sick and not available.

 

[RedtheGOB]

Old school, coaches would kick you in the butt. Now, with the transfer rules, and kids getting paid, it seems like some coaches have softened their stance. But guys like Dan Hurley will remain old school.

Red is too much of a nice guy. Yes, he held out Kiyan for a game, but it seems like when the going gets tough, he seems to retreat instead of attack.

GMAC is not perfect but he and Red are almost complete opposites.

That said we need guys who will battle. Guys who will dive on the floor to grab a loose ball. Even when down 30. Guys like Gavin Doty that want to hunt rebounds instead of just waiting for the ball to bounce to them.

But JJ has not been the worst leader. Although his idea of leadership is to be a me player instead of a team player. It's not preferred but at least it's something. Guys like Chris Bell are a lot worse.

You stole almost my exact post. You cannot sustain a season for 35 games with a good cop mentality and saying our plan is to "play harder at level 5" than everyone else. There's a reason that has been a running joke everywhere.

When they don't play hard what happens? Autry doesn't have answers and then just says we'll get them next time and go back to level 5. It's insanity.

After 3 years of this crap I just don't think the players respect Autry in a way that motivates them for 35 games a year. He doesn't know what team will show up the same as us. They know at this point he's just as likely to drop an egg coaching as they are.

Last thing I'll echo is there are alot folks saying we should get alot of these same guys back and a new coach will up their game. I think they will be better but is that a risk we really want to take reprogramming these guys. I say give me Kingz back and that's it. When Autry is gone the only thing we'll remember about this year is about how we wasted Kyle's Senior year ):

 

[CuseTG2003]

AZOrange usually knows what’s happening with players. Theres no point in developing them because they’re not staying.

Kingz is the only player I want back. Maybe Sadiq given his potential. I think it's best for all that the roster completely turns over however. Complete blank slate for the new HC.

 

[Cusefan0307]

At first glance I thought Starling was the worst player on the court for us, but somehow he graded out better than everyone except Kyle, Kingz, George and Sadiq White. Betsey, Donnie, Kiyan, and Souare were all worse...I did think it was shocking how bad Donnie looked last night.