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Taysom Hill 2.0 at best in the NFL, SU legend forever.
Dungey not in any of the upperclassmen games?
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Exactly. He’s getting info that teams in the NFL are at the very least interested. I think he has a shot at a 4-7th round pick.
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Taysom Hill is the fastest guy on the Saints. I know people like to get cute and make comparisons with this stuff but they aren’t really all that similar and there maybe 1-2 other coaches who would use anyone in the Hill capacity
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Cute? What a **** comment. I guess you missed the "at best" piece. He doesn't have Hill's speed, but his best shot is on ST and/or in a hybrid role. He isn't an NFL QB and never will be.
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I'm not a Bills fan, but I'm not sure you even watch football... Or maybe you just don't understand it. Allen was a rookie, whose best receiver is maybe UDFA Robert Foster? Also, if you'd watch football, you'd know that the offensive line is very important... He barely had one of those. Aaron Rodgers/Tom Brady/Drew Brees wouldn't have won with that team either.
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It’s one of the strangest comments I’ve seen recently. Rodgers went 6-9-1 this year. Allen went 5-6.
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I have watched football longer than you have probably lived, and am pretty sure I know as much about it as you do. You must be extremely arrogant to comment otherwise and think you know more. You apparently never looked at my original post.
I still think all Buffalo QBs are not worth a c==p, but will agree the whole team is also pretty bad.
I no longer watch pro football as of last year however, so truthfully do not really give a darn about the NFL.
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So, my original point stands.
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Other than having numerous factual errors that undermine what you said, having nothing to do with what I originally posted, and not having any idea of what I know about football or the Buffalo Bills organization sure whatever makes you feel good about yourself.
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You literally said you didn’t watch NFL this season
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Don't let that stop him from being an expert about Josh Allen! This is truly amazing...
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Allen was bad in college he was truly terrible for Wyoming despite the arm size and mobility. I think he might turn into something he didn’t have a bad rookie season. Still a work in progress. Don’t think he ever becomes a top ten qb but he might be a better Tannehill.
Eric is unique. Look at Lamar Jackson’s success. This is a pretty weak class most of these guys have no shot at ever starting.
As a Patriots fan I’d take him over Hoyer.
Eric is unique. Look at Lamar Jackson’s success. This is a pretty weak class most of these guys have no shot at ever starting.
As a Patriots fan I’d take him over Hoyer.
Agreed. That's his downfall. And he's not accurate enough to get by without a big arm in the NFL.
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Am I missing something here?!
Dungey could be an OW in the NFL. A slash like player who can play RB/FB/WR and trick plays.
He isn’t an NFL QB. I think he could be a weapon but he should be working on speed. Speed, speed, speed will determine his NFL future.
He isn’t an NFL QB. I think he could be a weapon but he should be working on speed. Speed, speed, speed will determine his NFL future.
I was thinking early Kordell Stewart the other day. Clearly Kordell had better wheels and moves but Dungey makes up for it by ploughing right into you.
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you playin with me bees? You know who I'm talking about.
When Dino Babers was examining potential head coaching destinations at the end of 2015, a freshman quarterback for Syracuse football caught his eye.
Eric Dungey, then a string-bean, would scratch and claw and fight for every yard he could gain -- even if it meant hurdling a 6-foot-2, NFL-bound safety, for instance. And that was one of the factors that led Babers to ultimately accept a contract offer from former SU athletic director Mark Coyle that December.
Babers, speaking after the Orange's 42-21 win at Boston College on Saturday, shared that nugget, not for the first time this season, but perhaps the most thoroughly.
He also hinted at the flip side of that perspective.
"I'm looking at him and I go, 'Raw. Not refined. But a lot of courage,'" Babers said. "That move of faith, some of that was based on Eric Dungey.
"I think Eric Dungey needed us and I think that Syracuse needed Eric Dungey. It's like a marriage. Together we're making this thing work."
That winter, Dungey too was facing a pivotal moment in his career. After being forced onto the field when starting quarterback Terrel Hunt tore his Achilles tendon in Syracuse's season-opener, Dungey watched as the coaching staff that recruited him was fired before his first campaign ended.
Gone was Tim Lester's multiple scheme centered around downhill running and West Coast passing concepts, as was the uber-personable quarterbacks specialist himself, who sold Dungey on traversing the country to play college ball.
Dungey needed direction, and he got that in Babers and his hurry-up spread offense. He got that in former offensive coordinator Sean Lewis and quality control coach Matt Johnson.
Dino Babers' postgame news conference after Syracuse football at Boston College (2018)
What he didn't get until this fall was the winning that he so passionately coveted. But the experience and growth Dungey picked up in 2016 and 2017 could be just as beneficial as the exposure in 2018 when it comes time to sell himself at the professional level.
"I think he's got a lot more to become because I just don't think his stuff is ending here," Babers said. "There's not a lot of guys like him, there really isn't."
Babers has witnessed Dungey's development from that thin scrambler to a linebacker-sized, dual-threat weapon who lowers his shoulder and knocks strong safeties out of games. Dungey is perhaps the largest single contributor, aside from Babers, in the Orange rising into the top 20 and making bowl eligibility -- which hadn't been achieved since 2015 -- seem like the meager benchmark he's always referred to it as.
While Dungey recovered from back spasms in time to turn in a six-touchdown performance, flexing his muscle as he went, Babers said it's conversations on the sideline that he'll remember from Dungey's final regular-season game.
Dungey, who said in the offseason that he was hoping to gain more control at the line of scrimmage, continually made good decisions in the zone-read game against the Eagles and appeared to check into a tight formation on one red-zone trip before dropping a picture-perfect fade to freshman wideout Taj Harris.
"The conversations that I had with him today were not like I was having conversations with a senior," Babers said. "It was like I was having conversations with a graduate assistant. It was like I was having conversations with a young position coach who has an exciting future in front of him, but he's not long in the tooth, he doesn't have a lot of experience."
The debate of Dungey's professional potential is an interesting one that's been occurring behind the scenes. Before being challenged by Tommy DeVito after the North Carolina game, the senior's accuracy and ball security were in legitimate question. The four-plus games he's played in since then have been markedly better. He's completed 62.3 percent of his passes since that week, accounting for 14 touchdowns to three turnovers, and the bolstered precision has led teams to stop backing the box, in turn opening up the running game.
This version of Dungey is a product of Dungey starting under Babers for three years completed with a renewed emphasis on fundamentals. And it might be sharp enough to overcome the injury history and lack of elite measurables for Dungey to become the first Orange quarterback drafted since Ryan Nassib in 2013.
Said Babers: He's going to have an opportunity to play in the National Football League."
But I still don't know if he's going to be invited to the combine, although I expect he would be. Otherwise
it's Pro Day at SU. GOSU
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When Dino Babers was examining potential head coaching destinations at the end of 2015, a freshman quarterback for Syracuse football caught his eye.
Eric Dungey, then a string-bean, would scratch and claw and fight for every yard he could gain -- even if it meant hurdling a 6-foot-2, NFL-bound safety, for instance. And that was one of the factors that led Babers to ultimately accept a contract offer from former SU athletic director Mark Coyle that December.
Babers, speaking after the Orange's 42-21 win at Boston College on Saturday, shared that nugget, not for the first time this season, but perhaps the most thoroughly.
He also hinted at the flip side of that perspective.
"I'm looking at him and I go, 'Raw. Not refined. But a lot of courage,'" Babers said. "That move of faith, some of that was based on Eric Dungey.
"I think Eric Dungey needed us and I think that Syracuse needed Eric Dungey. It's like a marriage. Together we're making this thing work."
That winter, Dungey too was facing a pivotal moment in his career. After being forced onto the field when starting quarterback Terrel Hunt tore his Achilles tendon in Syracuse's season-opener, Dungey watched as the coaching staff that recruited him was fired before his first campaign ended.
Gone was Tim Lester's multiple scheme centered around downhill running and West Coast passing concepts, as was the uber-personable quarterbacks specialist himself, who sold Dungey on traversing the country to play college ball.
Dungey needed direction, and he got that in Babers and his hurry-up spread offense. He got that in former offensive coordinator Sean Lewis and quality control coach Matt Johnson.
Dino Babers' postgame news conference after Syracuse football at Boston College (2018)
What he didn't get until this fall was the winning that he so passionately coveted. But the experience and growth Dungey picked up in 2016 and 2017 could be just as beneficial as the exposure in 2018 when it comes time to sell himself at the professional level.
"I think he's got a lot more to become because I just don't think his stuff is ending here," Babers said. "There's not a lot of guys like him, there really isn't."
Babers has witnessed Dungey's development from that thin scrambler to a linebacker-sized, dual-threat weapon who lowers his shoulder and knocks strong safeties out of games. Dungey is perhaps the largest single contributor, aside from Babers, in the Orange rising into the top 20 and making bowl eligibility -- which hadn't been achieved since 2015 -- seem like the meager benchmark he's always referred to it as.
While Dungey recovered from back spasms in time to turn in a six-touchdown performance, flexing his muscle as he went, Babers said it's conversations on the sideline that he'll remember from Dungey's final regular-season game.
Dungey, who said in the offseason that he was hoping to gain more control at the line of scrimmage, continually made good decisions in the zone-read game against the Eagles and appeared to check into a tight formation on one red-zone trip before dropping a picture-perfect fade to freshman wideout Taj Harris.
"The conversations that I had with him today were not like I was having conversations with a senior," Babers said. "It was like I was having conversations with a graduate assistant. It was like I was having conversations with a young position coach who has an exciting future in front of him, but he's not long in the tooth, he doesn't have a lot of experience."
The debate of Dungey's professional potential is an interesting one that's been occurring behind the scenes. Before being challenged by Tommy DeVito after the North Carolina game, the senior's accuracy and ball security were in legitimate question. The four-plus games he's played in since then have been markedly better. He's completed 62.3 percent of his passes since that week, accounting for 14 touchdowns to three turnovers, and the bolstered precision has led teams to stop backing the box, in turn opening up the running game.
This version of Dungey is a product of Dungey starting under Babers for three years completed with a renewed emphasis on fundamentals. And it might be sharp enough to overcome the injury history and lack of elite measurables for Dungey to become the first Orange quarterback drafted since Ryan Nassib in 2013.
Said Babers: He's going to have an opportunity to play in the National Football League."
But I still don't know if he's going to be invited to the combine, although I expect he would be. Otherwise
it's Pro Day at SU. GOSU
You had me confused because you asked in response to a post about Grier.
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Hahaha... THATS BESIDES THE POINT!
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And you equate not watching with not knowing anything, Okay, nothing more to say.
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Never said anywhere I was an expert on Josh Allen, nor did I mention him personally. It was another poster who talked about him. I gave my opinion that all Buffalo QBs are and have been ineffective. I know Buffalo fans find that hard to take.
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How the hell do you know that about Josh Allen, who is a Buffalo QB in that grouping of ALL Buffalo QBs that you mention, if you haven't watched a single game? You admitted that. This is hilarious.
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He sucked like most rookie QB’s do, but he showed promise too. He’s got the tools.
You don’t play a rookie QB thinking you’re going to win a lot, and you don’t give up on a rookie QB because you didn’t win a lot. Cmon.
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