Great defensive coordinator, bad head coach

[Willy75]

Did you forget that 7 is greater than 5 or were you in a coma last year?

Get back to me after next year.

 

[qdawgg]

589 yards in a game is a good offensive day no matter the points

I think it's actually the definition of a pitiful day. Scoring is the point of the game, yards in the game is less important and if we had won the game I would have been happy with half the yards.

You're hanging your hat on a lot of moral victories this season. Every game it's something.

 

[qdawgg]

I love this full on melt down by people while half the team was in an ambulance and we were running a 4th string quarterback. Jesus christ, sometimes you get the bad cards and it doesn't matter what you do you still end up with a losing hand.

:bat: Please. The team hasn't been injured all season and we started the game with our 2nd string QB and played the 4th string QB originally by design.

 

[rrlbees]

This was the second possession of the game . Wilson was not hurt , but whatever.

Correct. When Wilson came in when we got into the redzone for the first time, Wilson was not hurt.

 

[rrlbees]

Strange that Kimble would come in for a fade as everyone says that is not his strength, but is Wilson's. Not saying it did not happen just find that inexplicable. Perhaps another coaching decision that is hard to fathom.

He didn't come in just to throw that fade. He came in on 1st down to run the redzone offense.

 

[SUbear]

He didn't come in just to throw that fade. He came in on 1st down to run the redzone offense.

Which included a fade by Kimble? How would that not be strange? Let me calculate he would have had what three plays, or maybe six, and one of them would be designed to be a fade thrown by Kimble, who is not a great passer according to most reports. Why would you do that exactly, pretty inexplicable in my book, but you obviously must think that was a good decision. I would not have any problem with Kimble coming in but really, he is the guy you attempt a fade with. Okay then.

 

[KellySyracuse]

:bat: Please. The team hasn't been injured all season and we started the game with our 2nd string QB and played the 4th string QB originally by design.

Or for god's sake, get over yourself. If you don't think that injuries haven't affected the outcome of some of these games then I don't know what to tell you. I don't agree with a lot of the play calling but for god's sake, some of the best players have been sidelined on and off all year.

 

[rrlbees]

Which included a fade by Kimble? How would that not be strange? Let me calculate he would have had what three plays, or maybe six, and one of them would be designed to be a fade thrown by Kimble, who is not a great passer according to most reports. Why would you do that exactly, pretty inexplicable in my book, but you obviously must think that was a good decision. I would not have any problem with Kimble coming in but really, he is the guy you attempt a fade with. Okay then.

The fade would have been a bad call no matter who threw it. I hate fade routes. But Kimble came in for a specific reason. Not sure bringing in Wilson for a single play, would have been smart either. Point is, that play call was bad, but bringing in Kimble was not a goofball move.

 

[Upstate]

We are lucky we didn't get beat by 50 at home versus a team that is not much more talented than we are? Ok.

There's no one on SU's roster who could have made the play Blakeney made over Whigham. There's no one on SU's roster that could make half the plays that Crowder makes. To say they have no talent is completely incorrect. Duke's ranked for a reason. They've got some good playmakers.

 

[SUbear]

Or for god's sake, get over yourself. If you don't think that injuries haven't affected the outcome of some of these games then I don't know what to tell you. I don't agree with a lot of the play calling but for god's sake, some of the best players have been sidelined all year.

No they have not been sidelined all year, that is simply not true. We were pretty healthy for Villanova a win barely, Md, ND, CMU a win, and Louisville. After that yes injuries became a factor, but the truth is we stunk in those first five games just as badly as we have since.

 

[SUbear]

The fade would have been a bad call no matter who threw it. I hate fade routes. But Kimble came in for a specific reason. Not sure bringing in Wilson for a single play, would have been smart either. Point is, that play call was bad, but bringing in Kimble was not a goofball move.

If you are going to be throwing then play the percentages and keep Wilson in, but if you are going to have options or anything where the QB runs the Kimble is your guy, my point is out of 3 or perhaps 6 plays with Kimble it does not make sense for him to throw a fade, and why would you not put Wilson back in if you felt you wanted to throw that fade.

 

[qdawgg]

Or for god's sake, get over yourself. If you don't think that injuries haven't affected the outcome of some of these games then I don't know what to tell you. I don't agree with a lot of the play calling but for god's sake, some of the best players have been sidelined on and off all year.

Get over myself, lol. That's pretty funny for you to say after your @sshole comments to posters a few weeks ago about game attendance.

You have nothing to tell me because you don't know what you're talking about. Some of the teams we've played have had some of their best players injured when we've played them.

 

[Chris02M]

I think it's actually the definition of a pitiful day. Scoring is the point of the game, yards in the game is less important and if we had won the game I would have been happy with half the yards.

You're hanging your hat on a lot of moral victories this season. Every game it's something.

moral victories vs Clemson and fsu and maybe nd the rest we got beat and don't even get me started on villanova game as you and I don't know how the game turns out if hunt plays the entire game so that is a win and move on

 

[qdawgg]

moral victories vs Clemson and fsu and maybe nd the rest we got beat and don't even get me started on villanova game as you and I don't know how the game turns out if hunt plays the entire game so that is a win and move on

I don't disagree that we played well vs those teams. I'm not convinced we still beat Villanova with Hunt or that the game doesn't at least come down to the wire. We just look at the season as a whole in very different ways, I think. No big deal, difference of opinion. This season has been a huge letdown and very frustrating.

 

[CousCuse]

The fade would have been a bad call no matter who threw it. I hate fade routes. But Kimble came in for a specific reason. Not sure bringing in Wilson for a single play, would have been smart either. Point is, that play call was bad, but bringing in Kimble was not a goofball move.

Austin Wilson can flat out throw the ball. The reason the team can't score is because the other QB's can not pass , well , Long can a little . It is very difficult to stop a QB in the redzone who can fire balls faster than defenders can react. How does it seem like a good idea to bring Kimble in at that point when he hasn't played all year , especially with the redzone voodoo hanging out there. Seemed tone deaf to me .

 

[KellySyracuse]

Get over myself, lol. That's pretty funny for you to say after your @sshole comments to posters a few weeks ago about game attendance.

You have nothing to tell me because you don't know what you're talking about. Some of the teams we've played have had some of their best players injured when we've played them.

Why not simmer down there fella before you bust a vein in your neck. In regards to the attendance thread, if the shoe fits then you might as well wear it but some people would rather deflect than own up to their asinine comments. But thanks for taking a couple of cheap shots and tossing in stuff that have no relevance to the topic of this thread.

 

[tep624]

Get back to me after next year.

So after next year he still won't win a maximum of 5 games in a season when he already won 7 last year? Interesting logic.

 

[tep624]

No they have not been sidelined all year, that is simply not true. We were pretty healthy for Villanova a win barely, Md, ND, CMU a win, and Louisville. After that yes injuries became a factor, but the truth is we stunk in those first five games just as badly as we have since.

We weren't healthy vs Louisville. Hunt was noticeably injured the entire game and Broyld and Estime both missed that game. Broyld didn't play for ND.

Nova, CMU and MD were the only games where we had the full offensive unit this year. 2 wins and a loss with 600 yards of total offense. Probably not a coincidence.

 

[qdawgg]

Why not simmer down there fella before you bust a vein in your neck. In regards to the attendance thread, if the shoe fits then you might as well wear it but some people would rather deflect than own up to their asinine comments. But thanks for taking a couple of cheap shots and tossing in stuff that have no relevance to the topic of this thread.

LOL - nice try.

 

[rrlbees]

Austin Wilson can flat out throw the ball. The reason the team can't score is because the other QB's can not pass , well , Long can a little . It is very difficult to stop a QB in the redzone who can fire balls faster than defenders can react. How does it seem like a good idea to bring Kimble in at that point when he hasn't played all year , especially with the redzone voodoo hanging out there. Seemed tone deaf to me .

Wilson hasn't thrown a TD either. Kimble was brought in to run an offense we thought would be more successful than we have been there. His first play in, he ran it for 4 yards. I have no doubt Kimble coming in in the red zone was game planned this week.

 

[KellySyracuse]

LOL - nice try.

I get it that you're angry and just want to argue now because it's been a crappy season. Hunt, Wilson, Estime, Broylds and Enoicy are all out and then the 3rd string QB who they planned to redshirt tries to hold it together for 4 games and he gets injured. What kind of season would you expect from that?

 

[SUbear]

We weren't healthy vs Louisville. Hunt was noticeably injured the entire game and Broyld and Estime both missed that game. Broyld didn't play for ND.

Nova, CMU and MD were the only games where we had the full offensive unit this year. 2 wins and a loss with 600 yards of total offense. Probably not a coincidence.

Notice the word pretty or for those who do not comprehend perhaps predominantly or mostly. Hunt started the game healthy but was beat up in that game. You cite Broyld and Estime, explain to me exactly what either did in the games they were in to merit them being crucial players because I did not see that. Truth is our best receiver has been Ben Lewis, throughout the whole season. No we were pretty healthy for all those games and yet the offense stunk.
600 yards of offense but no points is not a good thing, especially against a team as bad as MD.
You can blame all this on injuries if you want to, but that is not the whole story.
Shafer must make changes ASAP before next season or he will not long be a head coach.

 

[Willy75]

So after next year he still won't win a maximum of 5 games in a season when he already won 7 last year? Interesting logic.[/QUOTE

 

[Willy75]

Ok live in the past if that's what makes you feel good.

 

[anomander]

Or for god's sake, get over yourself. If you don't think that injuries haven't affected the outcome of some of these games then I don't know what to tell you. I don't agree with a lot of the play calling but for god's sake, some of the best players have been sidelined on and off all year.

This is week 11 of the season, everyone is a MASH unit. We may be a little bit more worse off then some teams, but if you go up and down our schedule all our opponents were missing key contributors when we played them. People make it seem like we are the only banged up team. This is football. Injuries are part of the game. That's why it's important to have a strong S&C program, and develop depth.