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Great defensive coordinator, bad head coach

Playing for a Hail Mary at half, faking a punt inside 35 down a score, and running a draw play with your 235lb RB on 3rd and ~10 from around midfield is everything you need to know.
 
Shaf needs to calm down. I am afraid he might pull a Woody Hayes - on a referee. He does not seem to handle pressure very well and that concerns me. Hard to be a HC and be that volatile.

Remember when people hated that Marrone didn't show emotion at all. Then when he showed emotion people said it was fake.

Shafer is who he is and wears his emotions on his sleeve. I LOVE that about him.

I love a coach who is as pissed about losing as I am. He has the power to change the losing and I believe that he will.
 
Playing for a Hail Mary at half, faking a punt inside 35 down a score, and running a draw play with your 235lb RB on 3rd and ~10 from around midfield is everything you need to know.

Yeah...because those plays have never ever worked in a game before for us. Insanity.
 
Remember when people hated that Marrone didn't show emotion at all. Then when he showed emotion people said it was fake.

Shafer is who he is and wears his emotions on his sleeve. I LOVE that about him.

I love a coach who is as pissed about losing as I am. He has the power to change the losing and I believe that he will.
Me too, but he is going over the edge and needs to be more in control. I think the stress is getting to him. Addazio is emotional as well. but much more in control than Shaf and that is saying something.
 
Wilson hasn't thrown a TD either. Kimble was brought in to run an offense we thought would be more successful than we have been there. His first play in, he ran it for 4 yards. I have no doubt Kimble coming in in the red zone was game planned this week.

I'm with you, no doubt it was a planned package. My problem with it is that at that point Kimble had thrown 0 collegiate passes. Wilson was getting into a rhythm and had moved us down the field, converting multiple third downs in the process. There's something to be said for flow, momentum and confidence. All of which that had been gained during that drive, were somewhat diminished by the switch in the Red Zone. We went from having a QB who felt good about what he was doing to one that was most likely a little nervous and definitely had no time to find a rhythm.

Furthermore, whether he lets on or not, that has to bother Wilson in some manner. Kimble probably ran that package great in practice. And, the defense had yet to see it. It's the Pistol Inverted Wishbone. There's a ton of play fakes and power run you can do out of it. Moreover, yes you most likely want a dual threat guy running it. And, Kimble did well with it later in the game on the scoring drive.

I will just never agree with switching QB's at the end of a drive like that. And I know Tebow did it, along with a plethora of others including Duke last year. Let Wilson finish what he started. That's my main point. If Kimble had started the drive and they'd put Wilson in when we got to the Red Zone, I'd feel the same way.

As an aside, Duke's defense was definitely designed for Wilson, they saw no threat of a scramble. Probably had no idea Kimble could run either, that's why you saw him have success with his feet on the scoring drive. I think we have infinitely more success with Hunt yesterday, and, to a lesser extent AJ.
 
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SUbear said:
Notice the word pretty or for those who do not comprehend perhaps predominantly or mostly. Hunt started the game healthy but was beat up in that game. You cite Broyld and Estime, explain to me exactly what either did in the games they were in to merit them being crucial players because I did not see that. Truth is our best receiver has been Ben Lewis, throughout the whole season. No we were pretty healthy for all those games and yet the offense stunk. 600 yards of offense but no points is not a good thing, especially against a team as bad as MD. You can blame all this on injuries if you want to, but that is not the whole story. Shafer must make changes ASAP before next season or he will not long be a head coach.

Ridiculous. Broyld was the only player open vs Clemson's D. Estime has been hurt all season - but even hurt was our best slot guy by a mile. He had a nice catch vs CMU.

Ben Lewis is a good WR - but he's the third best healthy receiver. West has been the best, followed by Ish.
 
Me too, but he is going over the edge and needs to be more in control. I think the stress is getting to him. Addazio is emotional as well. but much more in control than Shaf and that is saying something.
Only last year Addazio was throwing headsets and acting like a complete mad man. Everybody on here criticized him and said, "I'm glad Addazio didn't get hired here at Syracuse because he seemed out of control". That was just last year. He is same person he was last year. He obviously has a better team than he did then. Stop saying Shafer is out of control. He is no different than any other coach in the league that really cares about his team and players. Come do a ride along with me here in NC and I can show you some folks that are "out of control".
 
SUbear said:
Notice the word pretty or for those who do not comprehend perhaps predominantly or mostly. Hunt started the game healthy but was beat up in that game. You cite Broyld and Estime, explain to me exactly what either did in the games they were in to merit them being crucial players because I did not see that. Truth is our best receiver has been Ben Lewis, throughout the whole season. No we were pretty healthy for all those games and yet the offense stunk. 600 yards of offense but no points is not a good thing, especially against a team as bad as MD. You can blame all this on injuries if you want to, but that is not the whole story. Shafer must make changes ASAP before next season or he will not long be a head coach.

Would 200 yards of offense and no points be better? Think man.
 
"Pistol Inverted Wishbone", "Diamond" or whatever - it's a power formation and is certainly not a pass first offensive formation, but is a nifty option offense.

I wonder if it is a clue to how Lester thinks and what he is planning. I should think it is a fairly significant departure from the direction in which we were headed.

Thoughts?
 
Only last year Addazio was throwing headsets and acting like a complete mad man. Everybody on here criticized him and said, "I'm glad Addazio didn't get hired here at Syracuse because he seemed out of control". That was just last year. He is same person he was last year. He obviously has a better team than he did then. Stop saying Shafer is out of control. He is no different than any other coach in the league that really cares about his team and players. Come do a ride along with me here in NC and I can show you some folks that are "out of control".
Throwing a headset is SOP for coaches at every level, but Shafer has lost it badly in several games and has even been penalized (Addazio never did that). The HC has got to be in control - S afer has to learn to control himself better for the good of the team. Just can't chalk it up to enthusiasm and caring - he has to grow into the role of HC.

His pressers indicate a guy not dealing very well with the pressure. I really like the guy and root for him to succeed, however, I am quite concerned about him.
 
Yeah...because those plays have never ever worked in a game before for us. Insanity.

Lol. We've also successfully thrown a td pass with our punter. Should we have tried that too?

You're missing this thing called- time and place for everything.

And no, I don't want him fired. But if you can't see very strange calls/decisions, not sure we'll get anywhere with this argument.
 
I get it that you're angry and just want to argue now because it's been a crappy season. Hunt, Wilson, Estime, Broylds and Enoicy are all out and then the 3rd string QB who they planned to redshirt tries to hold it together for 4 games and he gets injured. What kind of season would you expect from that?

LOL - another nice try. Maybe these type of responses work on 12 year olds but I'm way too smart for your silly defensive posts.
 
"Pistol Inverted Wishbone", "Diamond" or whatever - it's a power formation and is certainly not a pass first offensive formation, but is a nifty option offense.

I wonder if it is a clue to how Lester thinks and what he is planning. I should think it is a fairly significant departure from the direction in which we were headed.

Thoughts?
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Was thinking of you when I was contemplating this post! I fear he will go the option type offense route. I just don't see him going to a system that requires a very good passer. Hope I am wrong.
 
Was thinking of you when I was contemplating this post! I fear he will go the option type offense route. I just don't see him going to a system that requires a very good passer. Hope I am wrong.
We never learn.
 
Crusty said:
Was thinking of you when I was contemplating this post! I fear he will go the option type offense route. I just don't see him going to a system that requires a very good passer. Hope I am wrong.

IF Kimble was the choice, I'd certainly go with the option offense.
 
We never learn.
The mentality that you just have to pound the ball in from the 1 or 2 or 3 or whatever yard line is just prehistoric. Yet, we do it constnatly. We create these packages like the modified tank that are destined to just create a pile of bodies short of the goal line. If we can't learn to throw and have the guts to throw fades, slants, pivots in and pivots out, we are just one dimensional. Too many of the routes have no alternative routes to keep them alive. See, now you got me started again!

To his credit Lester has thrown some fades and a pivot that resulted in a pick 6 because Long didn't get the whole play and turned to the line too quickly.

I don't know what to think.
 
IF Kimble was the choice, I'd certainly go with the option offense.
Personnel could very easily dictate the decision. Otherwise, we have 2 or 3 years to wait for results. They can't go that route.
 
Me too, but he is going over the edge and needs to be more in control. I think the stress is getting to him. Addazio is emotional as well. but much more in control than Shaf and that is saying something.

The stress is getting to me, how could it not be getting to him.

Funny thing is that Addazio was the Tazmanian Devil when he was at Temple and people here loved his fire and intensity but don't like the same thing from Shafer.
 
The right answer lies somewhere between Marrone and Shafer.


I still think it is the wrong direction. Right in terms of coaching wrong philosophy I think.
 
phil77 said:
I still think it is the wrong direction. Right in terms of coaching wrong philosophy I think.

I should have quoted a post. I'm talking about the emotions shown.
 
The defense is Shafers and it's it's fantastic. I love how some of you seem to not to acknowledge SU was playing with the second string offensive line and 4th string QB!! Do you guys get it??? 4th string QB!!! Please tell what coaching mastermind is going to win in those circumstances?? Please start throwing names out there. You guys will eat crow next year it can't come quick enough.

When debates rage about whether the first string QB is actually any better than the second, third, or fourth string QB, well, that excuse isn't all that fantastic. On a lot of teams that would really matter, on this one, an argument can be made that we're no worse off no matter who plays QB.
 

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