Hire a coach and pay him

[qdawgg]

Oh yeah what did you see. Marrone couldn't bring in recruits, fact! Marrone couldn't read the scoreboard, fact. Marrone was more conservative then shafer ever could be. Look at the players that are producing right now. Yes new staff and new system but the players this staff is bring in proves they have a plan and it's working. Are we proving it in wins. No but we are proving it when the announcers say 67% of our offense was from freshman. Add in Phillips and ish and I bet that ticks up in the 85% range. That proves shafers recruits are far better then the last staffs recruits. Marrone couldn't seal the deal. He came in here cleaned up the program which it needed and rode a senior qb to a bowl. Shafer came in with an experienced team got them to a bowl and now is rebuilding because marrone couldn't get players. All you Lester haters. I remember hacks first season people wanted to run him out of town too.

:blah::blah::blah:

 

[cuse309]

I don't know about that

Why in Gods name would Coughlin go from making 7 million this year in NY, to making about 1.2 million at struggling Syracuse? The athletic dept would never pay him enough money to even think about coming here.

 

[HOFCeluck]

Matt Campbell of Toledo. Young up and comer with a good record with sub par talent. If anyone thinks SU will shell out money for a 'Big Name" coach, you're dreaming. Never have done it, and never will. Doesn't matter if you'd like to admit it or not, but SU is not a dream job for anyone (except Marrone). We have been relegated to a "Stepping stone" school. We are nothing more than a layover for someone traveling from Toledo to Florida.
Bo Pellini? Really? He had the talent that we've been dying for, and he didn't produce the results. He won games, but was greatly seen as an underachiever. Has Youngstown State off to a 3-3 record.

If Coyle did pull the trigger, this is the direction I hope he goes in. No more coordinators learning on the job.

 

[cuse309]

For the record, I say we hang on to Schaefer and let his ingredients bake a while. Nobody likes serving or eating an under cooked, soupy, runny, lasagna, which is basically what we are right now.
Maybe the hot seats should be on the W/R coach, and DB coach. Our W/R's have not been able to consistently get seperation for about 4 years now. Our Db's have been getting torched for just as long. I'm guessing the only reason we hang on to Acosta is his recruiting.

 

[SWC75]

For the record, I say we hang on to Schaefer and let his ingredients bake a while. Nobody likes serving or eating an under cooked, soupy, runny, lasagna, which is basically what we are right now.
Maybe the hot seats should be on the W/R coach, and DB coach. Our W/R's have not been able to consistently get seperation for about 4 years now. Our Db's have been getting torched for just as long. I'm guessing the only reason we hang on to Acosta is his recruiting.

Shafer:

 

[orange44]

Age old question; talent or coaching? Look at SWC's tabulations under why Virginia will win. Our results are in-line with our talent deficit. Our talent is improving but it is far from a given that it would continue under a new coach. Instability is not a good selling point. Given that our talent is improving this is crazy talk to fire SS. However, recruiting and winning are closely related. If we are pathetic again it will hurt our recruiting. We have to pull out a few more wins if we are to eventually get out of our rut. Recruiters need something to sell and that something is that we are on the way up. Once we have the talent we can worry about coaching. Lets not put the cart before the horse. Right now we need the horses.

A roster of mostly 3 stars sure beats the ones we had that were full of no stars but we are competing against more talented teams. That is slowly changing. Lets give it a chance. It's our only chance. Obviously, star rating is not the be all and end all for any one player. However, in aggregate, like it or not, star ratings reflect overall talent.

 

[skytop44]

If there is a change, we need to get someone who fits Syracuse. We saw under GRob that if the person is the wrong fit for this area and school, it could turn out to be a disaster. I would love Justin Fuente but he already makes 1.4 Mil and is probably in line for a South Carolina type job. The only thing that gives me pause about a guy like Matt Campbell is that if he has success here, will he stay long term or will he try and move on because he'll be the young hot name for awhile. We don't need a flashy offense. If we can hire Syracuse's version of Jim Harbaugh, or someone like that that fits Syracuse and will stay and not leave the first chance he gets.

 

[Finwad32]

We had the Syracuse version of Jim Harbaugh... Everybody loves Jim Harbaugh but forgets that he himself fully endorses Scott Shafer, the two had/have an excellent relationship.

 

[NewCuseFan]

Oh yeah what did you see. Marrone couldn't bring in recruits, fact! Marrone couldn't read the scoreboard, fact. Marrone was more conservative then shafer ever could be. Look at the players that are producing right now. Yes new staff and new system but the players this staff is bring in proves they have a plan and it's working. Are we proving it in wins. No but we are proving it when the announcers say 67% of our offense was from freshman. Add in Phillips and ish and I bet that ticks up in the 85% range. That proves shafers recruits are far better then the last staffs recruits. Marrone couldn't seal the deal. He came in here cleaned up the program which it needed and rode a senior qb to a bowl. Shafer came in with an experienced team got them to a bowl and now is rebuilding because marrone couldn't get players. All you Lester haters. I remember hacks first season people wanted to run him out of town too.

I get the optimism I really do but 'players who are producing now'...thats a relative term isn't it?

The 67% thing is one of those misleading numbers.

The QB is a freshman and the team runs an option based offense so of course freshman are going to lead the way when it comes to accounting to yardage. He obviously throws the most passes(ha) and the best RB is a frosh and the guy with the second most carries is...dungey so its really misleading. Yes of course if you add in the top two of the top three wr then the number goes up. Its just very misleading.

The question is how do we know they are better? How do I know that Ben Lewis is better? How do we know Palmer is better? How do we know that Culpepper is better?

Fact is that to win at syracuse the coach is always going to have to do more with less. So the idea that in two years Shafer has jumped recruiting up so far that SU is going to improve a lot just because of it. The issue and question is do people see the coaching that is needed and I am not sure its there.

Also if you want to argue only shafers third season.

Look at Marrones third year...2011

I'd take that team over this one by a lot and that team only won four games.

 

[billorange44]

I forgot, where did Mac come from?

And P was here for 4 years before he got the job, I guess that doesn't count.

Marrone turned 10-37 into 25-25 from nothing.

So what's your point?

The population of SU coaches are NFL and P5 coordinators and AAC, CUSA, and MAC HC's.

That's it, that's the list.

And there are plenty of "names" in that group.

My point is, it's been ten years or longer with no significant changes. A minor bowl here and a six win season there doesn't cut it. I just want it to be better.

 

[PhatOrange]

I love the lists.. Jfc, been doing them for 12 years now. Shoot me

My favorite is how they change year to year based on who's hot and who's not.

 

[skytop44]

We had the Syracuse version of Jim Harbaugh... Everybody loves Jim Harbaugh but forgets that he himself fully endorses Scott Shafer, the two had/have an excellent relationship.

I didn't mean someone from the Harbaugh tree. I meant someone that knows Syracuse and knows what it takes to win here. Someone who can get the old guard back and the former plays back and get people excited again. It feels like it's been 1,000 years since we kicked Penn State's ass in the Dome and went undefeated in '87. We're Syracuse University with a proud football tradition. We need someone who knows that and understands what that truly means because this place is not like any other in college football. Whether it's an alum or someone else, we need that kind of pride back in this program IMO.

 

[billorange44]

Are you going to buck up for that name? Those names that get the big contracts are paid partially by donors.

Let me ask you, don't you get sick of paying thousands of dollars every fall for a terrible product? The people that hire these coaches come to me via e-mail and mail wanting more money every year. These same people, take my money and we get the same results on the field. The new cycle will start up as soon as the season ends. Be honest, as one SU fan to another, doesn't it bother you?

 

[cuse309]

I get the optimism I really do but 'players who are producing now'...thats a relative term isn't it?

The 67% thing is one of those misleading numbers.

The QB is a freshman and the team runs an option based offense so of course freshman are going to lead the way when it comes to accounting to yardage. He obviously throws the most passes(ha) and the best RB is a frosh and the guy with the second most carries is...dungey so its really misleading. Yes of course if you add in the top two of the top three wr then the number goes up. Its just very misleading.

The question is how do we know they are better? How do I know that Ben Lewis is better? How do we know Palmer is better? How do we know that Culpepper is better?

Fact is that to win at syracuse the coach is always going to have to do more with less. So the idea that in two years Shafer has jumped recruiting up so far that SU is going to improve a lot just because of it. The issue and question is do people see the coaching that is needed and I am not sure its there.

Also if you want to argue only shafers third season.

Look at Marrones third year...2011

I'd take that team over this one by a lot and that team only won four games.

So how is that misleading? It's a fact. Yes the qb is a freshman, along with a 2 rb's. The 67% isn't misleading, it's a fact.

 

[Finwad32]

I didn't mean someone from the Harbaugh tree. I meant someone that knows Syracuse and knows what it takes to win here. Someone who can get the old guard back and the former plays back and get people excited again. It feels like it;s been 1,000 years since we kicked Penn State's ass in the Dome and went undefeated in '87. We're Syracuse University with a proud football tradition. We need someone who knows that and understands what that truly means. Whether it's an alum or someone else, we need that kind of pride back in this program IMO.

We had that, Doug Marrone, hence the had.

 

[skytop44]

We had that, Doug Marrone, hence the had.

But he didn't stay. If Doug stayed and made this his destination job, then yes it would have been the dream scenario. But he didn't. I'm just frustrated that the same thing seems to happen here every 4 years. Can we just get someone who will be consistently good and say "hey, I want to stay in Syracuse for my whole career?" I know how unlikely that is in today's world of college football, but one can dream right?

 

[cuse309]

The fact that everyone who post on Syracuse.com wants Shaefer fired, should be enough to let us know, that we shouldn't fire Shaefer.

 

[Finwad32]

I understand what you're saying, but, Diug sold everybody in this community that he WOULD stay. What's to say the next guy won't too. All I'm saying is the grass isn't always greener.

 

[skytop44]

I understand what you're saying, but, Diug sold everybody in this community that he WOULD stay. What's to say the next guy won't too. All I'm saying is the grass isn't always greener.

I agree with you. It's hard to find that in college football today.

 

[skytop44]

I get the optimism I really do but 'players who are producing now'...thats a relative term isn't it?

The 67% thing is one of those misleading numbers.

The QB is a freshman and the team runs an option based offense so of course freshman are going to lead the way when it comes to accounting to yardage. He obviously throws the most passes(ha) and the best RB is a frosh and the guy with the second most carries is...dungey so its really misleading. Yes of course if you add in the top two of the top three wr then the number goes up. Its just very misleading.

The question is how do we know they are better? How do I know that Ben Lewis is better? How do we know Palmer is better? How do we know that Culpepper is better?

Fact is that to win at syracuse the coach is always going to have to do more with less. So the idea that in two years Shafer has jumped recruiting up so far that SU is going to improve a lot just because of it. The issue and question is do people see the coaching that is needed and I am not sure its there.

Also if you want to argue only shafers third season.

Look at Marrones third year...2011

I'd take that team over this one by a lot and that team only won four games.

That 2011 team won 5 games and could have easily won 7. Just had a couple of really bad losses and decisions that year.

 

[PhatOrange]

What do people consider big money? I'm guessing whenever it's time to hire a new coach it'll be in the 2.0 to 2.3 mill range.

We'll pay what our Acc peer schools pay so maybe it'll be higher. I haven't bothered to check because shafer should be given the terms of his contract.

 

[jekelish]

So how is that misleading? It's a fact. Yes the qb is a freshman, along with a 2 rb's. The 67% isn't misleading, it's a fact.

Agreed. I don't get how it's misleading at all. Those young guys beat out older guys. Shafer's young players are clearly better than the talent he inherited. Look at our starting lineup: it's half true freshmen, true sophomores, and redshirt freshmen.

I'm getting frustrated as hell, and I'm open to some changes on the staff - Fred Reed in particular should be feeling his arse getting warm. But if we replace Shafer, that would be 4 coaches in a decade. That is absolutely NOT the way to build any sort of sustainable product. I want Shafer to get one more year, with this young group of players having a full season under their belts. If the 2016 season is a struggle? Then yes, it's time to start talking about making a change. I know a lot of people have probably already pointed this out, but Coach Mac was 12-20-1 over his first three seasons. These things take time, which I realize isn't ideal in a time when everyone demands instant gratification.

 

[TheCusian]

:blah::blah::blah:

Deep analysis.

 

[SoBeCuse]

Virginia is just plain bad. We suck completely, there is no progress and I am done hearing about young players.

Virginia isn't good at all but I saw a better OL, better RBs, from them. Those two units wore us down.

 

[TheCusian]

I get the optimism I really do but 'players who are producing now'...thats a relative term isn't it? The 67% thing is one of those misleading numbers. The QB is a freshman and the team runs an option based offense so of course freshman are going to lead the way when it comes to accounting to yardage. He obviously throws the most passes(ha) and the best RB is a frosh and the guy with the second most carries is...dungey so its really misleading. Yes of course if you add in the top two of the top three wr then the number goes up. Its just very misleading. The question is how do we know they are better? How do I know that Ben Lewis is better? How do we know Palmer is better? How do we know that Culpepper is better? Fact is that to win at syracuse the coach is always going to have to do more with less. So the idea that in two years Shafer has jumped recruiting up so far that SU is going to improve a lot just because of it. The issue and question is do people see the coaching that is needed and I am not sure its there. Also if you want to argue only shafers third season. Look at Marrones third year...2011 I'd take that team over this one by a lot and that team only won four games.

Not me. Dungey's future at Syracuse > Nassib's