IF the ACC breaks up, what are the likely outcomes for Syracuse?

[HRE Otto IV]

With Texas and OU departing, the Big 12 will not make more money than the ACC going forward. I can’t find the chart right now, but projected ACC TV revenues are expected to outstrip projected Big 12 revenues in the next year or two (after Texas and OU leave) and will continue to stay ahead of the Big 12.

I don’t disagree that the FSU boosters and fans are out of control lunatics. But they wouldn’t want the Big 12, being that that conference makes less money than the ACC and has no football powers. So it wouldn’t make sense to start a legal battle over GOR to leave for the Big12, where revenue projections are less. The SEC or Big10 maybe, but I don’t think those conferences want any part of a drawn out GOR legal battle that probably won’t end well for FSU.

I wasn't talking pre GOR expiration. At the end of the GOR it will be hard for FSU to sign onto a new ACC GOR given their antics.

I agree with the payouts, but the FSU AD does not. He gave a presentation on how the B12 would pass the ACC. He went full Kook and you should never go full Kook. Now the FSU world is full of Kooks. They have become the WV of conference expansion.

It will be hard to come back from that and sign onto an extended GOR in 2034. It can be done, but the antikookery needs to start now. That probably also means firing the AD.

Then again if the SEC really does want FSU, this is all moot.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Would ACC FB be better off splitting into two 8 team conferences with a scheduling agreement and pooled TV rights? For other sports you stay as one league.

By doing so you guarantee 2 playoffs spots every year. One playoff spot split 14 ways is not as good as two playoff spots split 14 ways. And you also make the playoffs more accessible which is good for everyone.

North Atlantic Coast Conference (old Big East teams)
Miami, VA Tech, Louisville, Pitt, Temple, SU, UConn, BC

South Atlantic Coast Conference (old ACC teams)
FSU, GA Tech, Clemson, UNC, NC State, Duke, Wake, UVA

That brings back tradition and rivalries. Labor Day weekend you have a N vs S challenge based on conference standing, with the exception of FSU and Miami who always play each other, and UVA and VA Tech who cannot play each other (that is reserved as an OOC TG game for both).

So this year would be:

FSU vs Miami
Clemson vs Pitt
UNC vs SU
Duke vs Louisville
NC State vs BC
GA Tech vs VA Tech
Wake vs UConn
UVA vs Temple

For SU we get...
Yearly: Miami, VA Tech, Louisville, Pitt, BC, UConn, Temple, SACC team
3x in 8 years: Notre Dame

The years we don't have ND we can rotate Penn State, Rutgers, Maryland, West Virginia. Which means of our Top 12 FBS teams played only Army and Navy would be missing. And Army we can always add OOC.

 

[kcsu]

I think SU is around top 45 $ schools in the country. Sec Big then ACC. We are not going to ever do much better.

 

[Cusefan69]

I wasn't talking pre GOR expiration. At the end of the GOR it will be hard for FSU to sign onto a new ACC GOR given their antics.

I agree with the payouts, but the FSU AD does not. He gave a presentation on how the B12 would pass the ACC. He went full Kook and you should never go full Kook. Now the FSU world is full of Kooks. They have become the WV of conference expansion.

It will be hard to come back from that and sign onto an extended GOR in 2034. It can be done, but the antikookery needs to start now. That probably also means firing the AD.

Then again if the SEC really does want FSU, this is all moot.

Yeah but there is a long way before the Gor sunsets. FSU will have 2 new ADs by that time. Lots can change in a decade. I would think that there are a few more contract look ins before the GOR ends. What we need is the ACC to get some stronger top 20 teams so they can challenge league market value.

 

[Moontan]

I don’t disagree that the FSU boosters and fans are out of control lunatics. But they wouldn’t want the Big 12, being that that conference makes less money than the ACC and has no football powers.

So, they'd make the CFB playoffs every year. Extra $$.

 

[orangenauburn]

Florida State, Clemson, Miami, and ... Syracuse

Most games since 2012 with more than 4m viewers (ACC teams)

At least according to this

 

[Bayside44]

 

[Stern]

Found this interesting

 

[cusefan88]

Disney potentially spinning off ESPN from their portfolio should be a red flag for sports leagues that think right fees only go up

 

[Cuse#1]

This will be our path forward ultimately in 2030 or 2036 or 2336

Playing regional rivals inter conference is our destiny hopefully. I have hope it all ends up that way and common sense prevails

We are pretty much Way past the point of no return to that brand of college Athletics again. That's gone unless you don't have a seat. Then you have some semblance of that regional game but you're not playing for anything Because of the complete lack of the opponent which means they will be pretty much nobody.. So at the same time once again you're in the same place, nowhere so.
The one thing Syracuse needs to do is continue spending, Salaries, facilities of across-the-board, etcetera but I would step it up a notch of course because you can never spend enough!
1 It's because we started much later than our competition and Of course there are teams that are spending double what we are actually spending and revenue. Which partly isn't our fault because of the world documented stupid 20 ye are ACC deal? I don't know what he was thinking but he must have foreseen some of this. I mean or he was justhe dumbest power five commissioners Which is a 100% why we Are In The Predicament were in. Plus a handful of others as well, there is no sugar coating this issue.

Another problem teams are spending probably double what we are. That's no surprise, But if we can remain competitive in all facets i think the results will show up on the football field.

we do have some things going for us in terms of the fans out there and I know for a fact. I want thing that these conferences r looking for r eyeballs But we have to be relevant for that to even matter we are not an SC team who is gonna sell out. I mean that's blatantly obvious AR stadium which I think we've only done a couple times in the last decade so I mean in a sense it. Kind of cancels that out. That's why everything is just so urgent.

When good, these More more recently just another conference game. Manifest into big games on your schedule Which of course then brings in money and value for yourself and the conference? Which is pretty much it's in a nutshell so we cannot be complacant!!!!! It looks like we're not but I'm not at every other big time college so I don't know what everyone else is doing but I do like the new football facility!

building that and continuing that I'd like that I'd like to see that come, I heard that they are."renovating the melo center"?! Weight room,etc

 

[kcsu]

We are pretty much Way past the point of no return to that brand of college Athletics again. That's gone unless you don't have a seat. Then you have some semblance of that regional game but you're not playing for anything Because of the complete lack of the opponent which means they will be pretty much nobody.. So at the same time once again you're in the same place, nowhere so.
The one thing Syracuse needs to do is continue spending, Salaries, facilities of across-the-board, etcetera but I would step it up a notch of course because you can never spend enough!
1 It's because we started much later than our competition and Of course there are teams that are spending double what we are actually spending and revenue. Which partly isn't our fault because of the world documented stupid 20 ye are ACC deal? I don't know what he was thinking but he must have foreseen some of this. I mean or he was justhe dumbest power five commissioners Which is a 100% why we Are In The Predicament were in. Plus a handful of others as well, there is no sugar coating this issue.

Another problem teams are spending probably double what we are. That's no surprise, But if we can remain competitive in all facets i think the results will show up on the football field.

we do have some things going for us in terms of the fans out there and I know for a fact. I want thing that these conferences r looking for r eyeballs But we have to be relevant for that to even matter we are not an SC team who is gonna sell out. I mean that's blatantly obvious AR stadium which I think we've only done a couple times in the last decade so I mean in a sense it. Kind of cancels that out. That's why everything is just so urgent.

When good, these More more recently just another conference game. Manifest into big games on your schedule Which of course then brings in money and value for yourself and the conference? Which is pretty much it's in a nutshell so we cannot be complacant!!!!! It looks like we're not but I'm not at every other big time college so I don't know what everyone else is doing but I do like the new football facility!

building that and continuing that I'd like that I'd like to see that come, I heard that they are."renovating the melo center"?! Weight room,etc

Cali... is that you

 

[Cuse#1]

If WVU played in a conference with Pitt, Cincinnati, Louisville, Va Tech, Syracuse, Boston College, Temple - doesn't that look like (a) they would save substantially on travel costs, and (b) renew old rivalries? That helps recruiting, and it helps the product on the field / court when there is actual history between the opponents.

I don't understand your logic and how You think this? Would. Help? Recruiting?? The? Only way it would help recruiting is if you're playing relevant teens that these kids know about and you're making money playing teams that's it. You're so stuck 20 years ago the game does not work that way anymore as much as we all wish it did it doesn't so as much as. You want to play those teams again? That is going to get us nowhere so. I'm sorry but all in all the sounds pretty selfish to me because that is the demise of Syracuse football imo.

I'll just make a point and compare that conference to a conference that has been picked apart and trashed lately and that conference is better than what you're Just talking about, way better you know what that conference is? The pac 12) Colorado's better Utah's better Arizona Arizona state. These are better programs washington Oregon. I don't care if they're not going to be there. They're there now and look what they're looking for they're getting paid or you know the ranges of what most as most experts think they'll get. Which is garbage and you think we're gonna recruit well with that or getting less than that?

 

[Cuse#1]

Cali... is that you

Obviously not but you know could you let me in on the joke or what you're getting at? I don't know who cali is. I've seen him on here a timer too but I'm not even on here that much to be playing that rutgersal BS

 

[Cuse#1]

Florida State, Clemson, Miami, and ... Syracuse

Most games since 2012 with more than 4m viewers (ACC teams)

At least according to this

 

[Cuse#1]

If the ACC is to remain it really is up to UNC. IMO FSU is the only one really looking to leave. Others will for a P2 invite, but those might not come. I could see the other 13 schools extending the GOR in 10 years for another 5 years. With FSU ending up in the B12.

I honestly have no idea where you got that's crazy story from. I'm I'm? .I mean haven't you been listening to any of the stories out there? I mean when they keep naming the same teams. There's gotta be some truth there you know I've ever heard where there's smoke There's fire. Same applies..
You're trying to tell me that yes you SEC or the big 10 would not take Florida state with the amount. Don't you know the criteria that these conferences go by to get these schools? Invited money for Florida state doesn't bring in money now. I mean I know what you're gonna say Florida won't allow it yeah? Guess what Texas A&M all Those schools have the same d*** thing and look what happened.

Plus another thing we've all kept on hearing is that UNC or I'll put it like this. The big 10 definitely wants North Carolina and virginia and I'm sure the SEC would take Virginia Tech. The ACC has been down for so long besides Clemson and a few years Florida state but they gotta get some collective teams going that is the. Difference between the big 10 and the ACC to she besides the big time probably most likely be. More consistently better consistently better top the bottom but Historically storically when you look at the ACC it should be pretty. Good Virginia Tech was good for so many years. I can name a few more but I mean I think that I think the ACC just thought that they would always be right there or not get picked. Apart who the h*** knows arrogance I? Don't know. I'm not there's no reason why virginia or Virginia Tech cannot be top programs. Why the h*** do you think the big 10 was I'm so bad? North Carolina I mean that's a lot of talent in the state beautiful school one of the most thriving States in the country.

 

[Cuse#1]

Also the ACC Had that Stupid basketball 1st mindset and that is part of their demise over so many dears. I mean you don't have to do that money will take care of it all on its own. In terms of hiring a proven right guy like you but Meyer in North Carolina they will win a title. But they kept hiring for football these guys and they could have done so much better and they fell off for a while after Mac Brown left and Mac. Brown's doing a good job but I mean the guy's getting really old. So I? Mean. I don't understand why. It's so hard. I mean I can't blame Maryland for leaving anymore camera not even a little bit? I wish they stayed of course but the ACC is gonna end at some point. So Syracuse and all the schools need to start thinking about. Where are they gonna go? Negotist and I think Syracuse is only really viable unless they hit blow up somehow. Only really viable option is the big 12 and I'm starting to hear about uconn. I'm like no freaking way.

 

[HRE Otto IV]

I honestly have no idea where you got that's crazy story from. I'm I'm? .I mean haven't you been listening to any of the stories out there? I mean when they keep naming the same teams. There's gotta be some truth there you know I've ever heard where there's smoke There's fire. Same applies..
You're trying to tell me that yes you SEC or the big 10 would not take Florida state with the amount. Don't you know the criteria that these conferences go by to get these schools? Invited money for Florida state doesn't bring in money now. I mean I know what you're gonna say Florida won't allow it yeah? Guess what Texas A&M all Those schools have the same d*** thing and look what happened.

Plus another thing we've all kept on hearing is that UNC or I'll put it like this. The big 10 definitely wants North Carolina and virginia and I'm sure the SEC would take Virginia Tech. The ACC has been down for so long besides Clemson and a few years Florida state but they gotta get some collective teams going that is the. Difference between the big 10 and the ACC to she besides the big time probably most likely be. More consistently better consistently better top the bottom but Historically storically when you look at the ACC it should be pretty. Good Virginia Tech was good for so many years. I can name a few more but I mean I think that I think the ACC just thought that they would always be right there or not get picked. Apart who the h*** knows arrogance I? Don't know. I'm not there's no reason why virginia or Virginia Tech cannot be top programs. Why the h*** do you think the big 10 was I'm so bad? North Carolina I mean that's a lot of talent in the state beautiful school one of the most thriving States in the country.

That was pretty incoherent but I think I was able to decipher a few things in that long, un-proofread post.

Name me one expansion move that had smoke before being executed? The internet theories haven't come to fruition. Just because you read it doesn't make it true.

Do you know the criteria, because it doesn't seem so. FSU to the B16 is an extreme long shot because they don't fit the criteria and Miami is the better choice if they really want into Florida.

The SEC doesn't need any more brands. They don't need to expand. Sure FSU is the best brand left, but there isn't a need to grab them. What does FSU bring to the table vs all their warts? Are they really worth it? Do they make the SEC schools more money? Do they take away from LSU, Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia? Why offer FSU over Miami?

What was BBall first about adding Miami, VA Tech, BC? Or SU, Pitt, Louisville?

UNC hired name HCs. Just because it didn't turn out doesn't mean they weren't trying.

The B12 does nothing for SU. We have an outside shot at the B16. We have an extreme outside shot at the SEC. Most likely we will (and should) end up in some different makeup of an ACC. That actually gives us a BETTER chance at making the playoffs. We would have zero shot in any other conference. Why would anyone pick $25M more per year to only see 5 W seasons be considered pretty good?

UConn to the B12 likely is not happening. Supposedly the B12 has a pro rata clause for only P5 teams. If UConn isn't also included in that clause, they will not likely be taken. The B12 schools will not vote to lose money. I suppose that UConn can go there and get less money than everyone else. Is that worth it to them to get $15M a year for the next 5-6 years just to be in the B12? I would think not.

As to recruiting winning will do more than money. At best we will be middle of the pack in money. That isn't going to move the needle. So being in a Northeast conference where we can win, would be better for our program.

We have a small football fanbase. That isn't a positive for SU.

The ACC GOR has been a net positive for SU. Saying otherwise is silly.

 

[kcsu]

Obviously not but you know could you let me in on the joke or what you're getting at? I don't know who cali is. I've seen him on here a timer too but I'm not even on here that much to be playing that rutgersal BS

To be associated with Cali is to basically say that your post at best was a tad rambling and might have been crafted during a hallucinogenic or dream state. Cali was a great poster, and he was and still is a board treasure. I probably have as many " Cali" post as any on this board and I consider them my best work A Cali post is like a badge of honor. Wear it with pride but don't try and make it a habit!

 

[SmilinBob]

It would be quite the thing if UNC leaves after their guy in charge of the ACC set up the horrible Raycom deal.

 

[kirbivore]

It's not breaking up. Not now. Don't worry about it.

The Magnificent 7 are testing for weaknesses in the GOR like the velociraptors in Jurassic Park.

 

[Cuse#1]

That was pretty incoherent but I think I was able to decipher a few things in that long, un-proofread post.

Name me one expansion move that had smoke before being executed? The internet theories haven't come to fruition. Just because you read it doesn't make it true.

Do you know the criteria, because it doesn't seem so. FSU to the B16 is an extreme long shot because they don't fit the criteria and Miami is the better choice if they really want into Florida.

The SEC doesn't need any more brands. They don't need to expand. Sure FSU is the best brand left, but there isn't a need to grab them. What does FSU bring to the table vs all their warts? Are they really worth it? Do they make the SEC schools more money? Do they take away from LSU, Bama, Auburn, Florida, Georgia? Why offer FSU over Miami?

What was BBall first about adding Miami, VA Tech, BC? Or SU, Pitt, Louisville?

UNC hired name HCs. Just because it didn't turn out doesn't mean they weren't trying.

The B12 does nothing for SU. We have an outside shot at the B16. We have an extreme outside shot at the SEC. Most likely we will (and should) end up in some different makeup of an ACC. That actually gives us a BETTER chance at making the playoffs. We would have zero shot in any other conference. Why would anyone pick $25M more per year to only see 5 W seasons be considered pretty good?

UConn to the B12 likely is not happening. Supposedly the B12 has a pro rata clause for only P5 teams. If UConn isn't also included in that clause, they will not likely be taken. The B12 schools will not vote to lose money. I suppose that UConn can go there and get less money than everyone else. Is that worth it to them to get $15M a year for the next 5-6 years just to be in the B12? I would think not.

As to recruiting winning will do more than money. At best we will be middle of the pack in money. That isn't going to move the needle. So being in a Northeast conference where we can win, would be better for our program.

We have a small football fanbase. That isn't a positive for SU.

The ACC GOR has been a net positive for SU. Saying otherwise is silly.

Oh you never really gave an answer on? Where Syracuse is gonna land or where you would like them to go besides saying? A Northeast Conference which right now does not exist and I don't want to hear anything about the biggest.You have to go where the money goes. If you want to have a program why is it so hard for some people to get that through the thick head question? Mark. ? I know what people? Want. And what should be going on? But that's not the way it's gonna happen it's money. Driving this driving this all the way nothing to do with geography arrivals like it should be so Gotta change your mind set

 

[longtimefan]

Oh you never really gave an answer on? Where Syracuse is gonna land or where you would like them to go besides saying? A Northeast Conference which right now does not exist and I don't want to hear anything about the biggest.You have to go where the money goes. If you want to have a program why is it so hard for some people to get that through the thick head question? Mark. ? I know what people? Want. And what should be going on? But that's not the way it's gonna happen it's money. Driving this driving this all the way nothing to do with geography arrivals like it should be so Gotta change your mind set

Say what?

 

[HRE Otto IV]

Oh you never really gave an answer on? Where Syracuse is gonna land or where you would like them to go besides saying? A Northeast Conference which right now does not exist and I don't want to hear anything about the biggest.You have to go where the money goes. If you want to have a program why is it so hard for some people to get that through the thick head question? Mark. ? I know what people? Want. And what should be going on? But that's not the way it's gonna happen it's money. Driving this driving this all the way nothing to do with geography arrivals like it should be so Gotta change your mind set

Answer to what question? Read what you wrote and what about that is clear?

Go where the money is, means SU to the B16 or SEC. Those are the only real money options. If we cannot be in either, I rather be in a left over ACC. The B12 will be the minor leagues. Do we really care about being in the XFL vs USFL? They both suck. So why not be in an Eastern conference with traditional rivals that is more BBall focused?

Going to the B12 where travel is a PIA and we have no history with opponents is not worth a few million $ more per year. On top of that we actually could make the playoffs in the ACC.

 

[gbo]

It would be quite the thing if UNC leaves after their guy in charge of the ACC set up the horrible Raycom deal.

It's absolutely something UNC would do...

 

[orange79]

It's absolutely something UNC would do...

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