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Yup!
One of my best friends here in DC was for a short time a coach at a Catholic high school in the area many years ago. But he remained part of the network and sub-culture through the years. He was very familiar with all of this and told me many times what a vindictive SOB Big John was. And that there would never be any statute of limitations on his anger or his sense of being wronged.
The fact that Georgetown could not recruit a DeMatha player for almost 40 years stands in testimony. Being a local DI team and not being able to recruit at the local high school powerhouse is bizarre to start with. The school has put more players in the NBA than any other program in the country. (Some say DeMatha is a sports program with an associated high school and not the opposite)
GU hiring a DeMatha guy would do a couple of things. It would hopefully sever the hold that Big John has there. And it would allow GU to recruit DeMatha players beyond the one guy.
But let me tell you this, sports fans. Big John ain't going down without a knock-down drag out fight. It takes somebody of the stature of Tagliabue to do it.
Or they can go the other way and hire someone that will placate Big John.
As I said in an earlier post, I wouldn't touch that job with a ten foot pole.
When JB stops coaching, he needs to clear out his office and keep is opinions to himself. A new coach doesn't need the old one hanging around. JB, I think, knows this.
Big John, so far, hasn't figured that out. He's been the one manipulating the puppet's strings. And he isn't going to stop voluntarily.
Can you elaborate on this comment?Those of you who were rooting for JB to retire sooner rather than later might want to watch how this plays out and how each of the candidates is flawed in some way.
Georgetown, in many ways, is equivalent to SU.
Can you elaborate on this comment?
I agree with your basic premise, that replacing JB is not going to be as easy as many on the board seem to think.
But I don't see how Georgetown and Syracuse are equivalent in many ways. I assume you mean the HC job at Georgetown is equivalent to the HC job at Syracuse in many ways.
I suppose there are a fair number of alums at both schools that have unrealistic expectations.
Neither school has historically spent a lot of money hiring big name coaches. Both have been reluctant to make many changes to the HC position.
But Georgetown has next to no fanbase.
Georgetown is in a conference with almost no income from media. Further, the Big East has nowhere near the visibility the ACC has in terms of television.
Georgetown has been a bad basketball program for 4 years now. Here is their record over that time:
18-15 (8-10) NIT
22-11 (12-6) NCAA
15-18 (7-11)
14-18 (5-13)
They haven't been involved with a top recruit in years and haven't been nationally relevant in forever.
Can you elaborate on this comment?
I agree with your basic premise, that replacing JB is not going to be as easy as many on the board seem to think.
But I don't see how Georgetown and Syracuse are equivalent in many ways. I assume you mean the HC job at Georgetown is equivalent to the HC job at Syracuse in many ways.
I suppose there are a fair number of alums at both schools that have unrealistic expectations.
Neither school has historically spent a lot of money hiring big name coaches. Both have been reluctant to make many changes to the HC position.
But Georgetown has next to no fanbase.
Georgetown is in a conference with almost no income from media. Further, the Big East has nowhere near the visibility the ACC has in terms of television.
Georgetown has been a bad basketball program for 4 years now. Here is their record over that time:
18-15 (8-10) NIT
22-11 (12-6) NCAA
15-18 (7-11)
14-18 (5-13)
They haven't been involved with a top recruit in years and haven't been nationally relevant in forever.
It's not better but I would say the jobs are close to equal. I would say Syracuse is 8-12 job and Georgetown is top 20.Townie legit thinks Georgetown(and their 10 fans) is a better basketball program than Syracuse. He loco.
It's not better but I would say the jobs are close to equal. I would say Syracuse is 8-12 job and Georgetown is top 20.
JT II is the problem for them. I don't see JB going to every game courtside like JTII has done.
It's coaching.Maybe. St. Johns was as well 20 years ago and they have a lot of the same advantages Georgetown does. Must suck for them to be out performed consistently the last few years by the Seton Hall and Providences of the Big East.
Townie legit thinks Georgetown(and their 10 fans) is a better basketball program than Syracuse. He loco.
I'm with you townie. I actually like the candidates I've seen for Gtown. Now I'm not sure whether they are legit or not, but I would gladly take them at Syracuse. Shaka Smart, Amaker, Danny Hurley, I'd be good with any of them. Are there fans who actually think we could do better than those guys?With this kind of response, I'm starting to doubt my writing skills.
In said, or tried to say, they were in the same ballpark.
But you can see from his response 0307 isn't looking at this from the standpoint of a coach taking over a program. The number of fans isn't the first thing this person will look at.
More likely he'll look at:
The compensation package
The length of the deal
What the expectations are and how achievable he thinks they are. (Easier is better than harder)
The people he will be working for and with and the extent to which he likes/trusts them
The Recruiting task - How hard will it be to get the recruits he needs
The Resources in place.
What's the Future hold if he is successful. Is this job an end destination or a stepping stone to the NBA or even bigger programs
FWIW, a friend was sitting at a table next to Mike Brey at a Starbucks in Clarendon, which is the trendy (See Bayside..skinny jeans) area of Arlington, VA. Hearing from another person he's interested in the job.
See I like the Gtown candidates. Brey is a great one, if true. As Townie said, its in fertile recruiting grounds, with a winnable conference, and a big paycheck. Easier to win the Big East than the ACC. I truly hope when JB retires we get the same level of interest they are getting.FWIW, a friend was sitting at a table next to Mike Brey at a Starbucks in Clarendon, which is the trendy (See Bayside..skinny jeans) area of Arlington, VA. Hearing from another person he's interested in the job.
I'm with you townie. I actually like the candidates I've seen for Gtown. Now I'm not sure whether they are legit or not, but I would gladly take them at Syracuse. Shaka Smart, Amaker, Danny Hurley, I'd be good with any of them. Are there fans who actually think we could do better than those guys?
Plus Clarendon is no Old Town.Who knows, their coffee and pastry sucks...
I can't see Brey leaving ND for Gtown unless he wants to be closer to home.
His hiring will divide that fanbase up like the article linked a page back outlined.
There will be a significant portion of that fanbase boosters who will be loyal to JTII. Brey is making good money at ND where BB mediocrity is okay because they care about FB.
If Brey flamed out at Gtown early he would be under pressure.
FWIW, a friend was sitting at a table next to Mike Brey at a Starbucks in Clarendon, which is the trendy (See Bayside..skinny jeans) area of Arlington, VA. Hearing from another person he's interested in the job.
You weren't wearing brown flip-flops were you?Plus Clarendon is no Old Town.