Judah Mintz to test NBA Draft waters

[Cuse181]

GMac did more than that.

Perhaps Taylor should’ve declared after his Bryant performance!

 

[two3zone]

Perhaps Taylor should’ve declared after his Bryant performance!

Could you imagine the hype if Gmac declared after his first half of the championship game? #1 overall pick, Cavs would’ve taken him over Lebron, basketball history changed forever, Cleveland wouldn’t have had to wait as long for a title.

 

[Fly Rodder]

i think there are a lot more variables involved than: good enough-not good enough...

I think most people see it as simplistically as you do...i disagree. I think timing, luck, fit, etc matters...getting your foot in the door...with the right team, right scheme can make all of the difference...

imo when a player decides is important - if it wasnt they wouldnt have all of this rah-rah with the combine and declaring and pulling back out. etc...doing something big before you are ready increases chances of failure.

as JB once said - premature anything isnt good. or something like that.

but yeah - there are some players that are so talented that they are too good to fail - the lebrons and carmelos etc...and there are the players that no matter what they decide it wount matter - the spikes, etc...

BUT there are also the players in the limbo zone...where luck comes in and decision making matters. if you're on the lower end of the talent spectrum...of course you jump the second you have a chance...if youre comofrtably an NBA talent it might be different...

The thing is that this is just conjecture on your part. There’s no proof, analytics, nothing that indicates it matters and staying in school longer turns a marginal NBA prospect into one that succeeds and has a lengthier or better career. The average NBA career is something like 4, 4 1/2 seasons. This is splitting hairs over a rare occurrence. Most players don’t last long even if they get drafted. And overwhelmingly players drafted in the 2nd don’t ever get more than a cup of coffee. Does it make a difference if a guy gets an extra few games on the bench because he worked really hard on luck & timing and studied which team would be the best fit?

In cases like this, I trust the professionals and they A) know what skill and talent is needed to be a competitive player in the NBA; and B) they’re all looking for the best players they can get. Always. I guarantee you that they know more about players in college and high school than you or I or most every other fan. Once players get a little more expensive and aren’t useful, they’re gone.

 

[gmoney44]

Edibles are hitting hard eh?

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I didn’t know they made black tar edibles.

 

[kcsu]

Flynn would have if he hadn’t gotten hurt.

he might have been the best of all of them

 

[SWC75]

Anyone here will admit that their primary motivation is to keep players here so that they can win games for good ol' SU. And anyone here realizes that that is not the player's goal. So they have to come up with reasons that they think might make sense to player, however unrealistic they might be. That's not dishonest. But everyone here also knows that the players don't consult the fans before making their decision, so it doesn't really matter.

Then there's Jim Boeheim's point that there are 15 positions on the big club and maybe a couple of them will be open at any one time. Getting a star-quality player in a draft just eliminates one of those sports. And every year there's a new wave of US and foreign players to fighting off for those spots. There's something to be said for maximizing your abilities before your ask the NBA to judge you.

 

[atlanticuse]

Then there's Jim Boeheim's point that there are 15 positions on the big club and maybe a couple of them will be open at any one time. Getting a star-quality player in a draft just eliminates one of those sports. And every year there's a new wave of US and foreign players to fighting off for those spots. There's something to be said for maximizing your abilities before your ask the NBA to judge you.

I wish this were true.
But I think the only thing teams can be assured of if given another year is that the player is one year older (one less of lifetime production) and potentially could get injured.
Raw talent and ceiling won't change. Wingspan won't increase.

 

[capeorange]

Just give me the 100, and I’ll buy the drugs you are claiming I’m on? Lol

I thought you already had.

 

[SWC75]

I wish this were true.
But I think the only thing teams can be assured of if given another year is that the player is one year older (one less of lifetime production) and potentially could get injured.
Raw talent and ceiling won't change. Wingspan won't increase.

But you might be better off getting closer to your ceiling if you are going to compete with all those other guys.

 

[Cuse181]

I wish this were true.
But I think the only thing teams can be assured of if given another year is that the player is one year older (one less of lifetime production) and potentially could get injured.
Raw talent and ceiling won't change. Wingspan won't increase.

As I said a couple days ago to someone else making this argument, this logic means that every player should enter the draft the first year they’re eligible because they will never be worth more than they are at that time.

 

[hoopsupstate]

You better be ready when you get your chance. You want to be at your best when that chance comes.

 

[OrangeDW]

You better be ready when you get your chance. You want to be at your best when that chance comes.

I think some underestimate this.

Everyone isn’t sitting around waiting for you to be good, and teams don’t care about all these guys in the same way. The ones they’ve invested more in are the ones they care about more. Your G League teammates are fighting for the same thing you are, too.

If you’re banking on clawing your way up from the G League, you better be at the top of your game.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

I’m definitely not wrong about Spike. He stock was never higher.

Doesn’t mean he was on anyone’s radar

 

[Fly Rodder]

So this should be easy then for the resident NBA scouts ... how many players have stayed in school for an extra year to come back, increase their draft stock from a marginal 2nd rounder/UFA, and capitalized on that to get a better draft slot, avoid the G league and slide into a 8-10 year job.

 

[OrangeDW]

So this should be easy then for the resident NBA scouts ... how many players have stayed in school for an extra year to come back, increase their draft stock from a marginal 2nd rounder/UFA, and capitalized on that to get a better draft slot, avoid the G league and slide into a 8-10 year job.

I can’t answer the exact scenario.

Flynn comes to mind as a guy who showed a lot as a freshman, but became the number 6 pick after his soph year. He had a great freshman year, but I don’t think he was going number 6 if he came out that year.

 

[cali315phan]

I can’t answer the exact scenario.

Flynn comes to mind as a guy who showed a lot as a freshman, but became the number 6 pick after his soph year. He had a great freshman year, but I don’t think he was going number 6 if he came out that year.

Flynn, Waiters and he was a transfer, but Wes Johnson

 

[djcon57]

So this should be easy then for the resident NBA scouts ... how many players have stayed in school for an extra year to come back, increase their draft stock from a marginal 2nd rounder/UFA, and capitalized on that to get a better draft slot, avoid the G league and slide into a 8-10 year job.

looking back around the 2013-2015 range of drafts

MCW
TJ Warren
Bobby Portis

 

[two3zone]

I can’t answer the exact scenario.

Flynn comes to mind as a guy who showed a lot as a freshman, but became the number 6 pick after his soph year. He had a great freshman year, but I don’t think he was going number 6 if he came out that year.

Keegan Murray went from a fringe pick, ended up being the fourth overall last year.

Last year had seven sophomores picked, he stays he’s not going to drop as what he’d be drafted on are his skills and instincts this year. He can only go up unless he is a total ball hog and forces everything which I think he learned half way through the year that it doesn’t work after high school.

 

[djcon57]

Keegan Murray went from a fringe pick, ended up being the fourth overall last year.

Last year had seven sophomores picked, he stays he’s not going to drop as what he’d be drafted on are his skills and instincts this year. He can only go up unless he is a total ball hog and forces everything which I think he learned half way through the year that it doesn’t work after high school.

Ivey too. He was prob a 1st rounder but not that high

 

[two3zone]

Ivey too. He was prob a 1st rounder but not that high

I would get it if he was going to be a junior because that’s where the NBA starts to discriminate, but Judah could bank here next year, and make big bank as a lottery pick. He’s not going to get worse.

 

[hoopsupstate]

Coleman became the number one pick and stayed four years.

 

[Orangezoo]

Coleman became the number one pick and stayed four years.

Kenyon Martin is the last time that happened. 23 years ago.

 

[two3zone]

Coleman became the number one pick and stayed four years.

And he’s pushing social security age. Irrelevant

 

[cuseincincy]

Definitely helped Fab Melo, Tyler Lydon, Tyler Ennis, and MCW. What did the 6OT game do for Johnny Flynn? Helped him become a lottery pick. He wasn’t before that game. I remember. What about Spike Albrecht's freshman season where he made 3 after 3 in the run to the title game?His stock was never higher. Should have gone. Nobody can ever convince me guys should come back even if they are projected as second round picks. Fair should have left with MCW, he would have been drafted after the FF run. No question .

My word where to start. If that 6OT game had taken place in a GLeague game ...

Tyler Lydon showed it only takes one NBA skill to get drafted but more than one to stick. Fab, Ennis and MCW were never known for their shooting ability. Did you ever watch them play?

And why is it selfish of me to care about who plays for Syracuse University but not give one iota a sheeeit if any of them ever play in the NBA. When they start recruiting a high school player my interest in them is what they can or will contribute to Syracuse, nothing more.

 

[kirbivore]

So? There’s about a 100 mock drafts. Most no different than you or I doing a mock draft. Only a few have any insight at all to what an NBA team might do. Plus they haven’t even had the combine yet.

and the ones with sources get used by those sources to push agendas.