Judah Mintz to test NBA Draft waters

[phil77]

Typically the longer this drags out it turns out to be bad new for Syracuse.

 

[twinight]

You didn’t show any data. You’re just repeating your argument.

You want me to post a link showing the correlation between career success and draft position? I'll happily do so. But I couldn't imagine anyone with the most elementary understanding of the NBA needing such a link. I thought it would be insulting to post one. But if this is news to you, I'll help you out and post one.

 

[Day2]

You want me to post a link showing the correlation between career success and draft position? I'll happily do so. But I couldn't imagine anyone with the most elementary understanding of the NBA needing such a link. I thought it would be insulting to post one. But if this is news to you, I'll help you out and post one.

In the time you’ve spent attacking me personally, you could have found the evidence to support your argument.

 

[Sbucketball]

Typically the longer this drags out it turns out to be bad new for Syracuse.

Yeah, it indicates it’s not the easy decision we thought it would be after the combine. Probably waiting and hoping for a last minute development.

A few weeks ago I had convinced myself he’s gone. I figured I would weather the disappointment that way. The last couple days on here have me convinced he’s coming back. Just in time to be crushed if he doesn’t return.

 

[baggerbob]

There are studies on these topics, some showing that higher draft picks get more minutes and preferential treatment. Also, there is statistical evidence of preferential draft status for kids in top college programs, and those who play well in the NCAA tournament, over kids from less prominent programs with comparable performance metrics. Here's an example:
https://www.researchgate.net/figure...ics-and-player-characteristics_tbl3_331233878

In some ways it might be better for Judah to move on. In a freeflowing offense, you don't really want a ball dominant guard.
You want multiple players who are able to set up and make plays.
Judah might be better of in the G league to improve his skills for the NBA.

 

[twinight]

In the time you’ve spent attacking me personally, you could have found the evidence to support your argument.

"attacking me personally."

You may be the most delicate person I've ever encountered if me not going along with you playing stupid is me "attacking" you. But okay. Here you go, ding-dong.

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[0.2 YNdeeR]

In some ways it might be better for Judah to move on. In a freeflowing offense, you don't really want a ball dominant guard.
You want multiple players who are able to set up and make plays.
Judah might be better of in the G league to improve his skills for the NBA.

It's really a personal decision. My opinion that being a late second rounder or a UDFA creates more risk than returning to college, isn't going to matter to Judah. What I will say, however, is that there is evidence (analysis of win shares and other advanced statistics) that playing for a top college team, especially one that has positive performance exposure in the NCAA tournament (which is likely if Judah rejoins SU with all the new players), can significantly improve a player's draft value.

 

[tptcuse]

Are you serious?

So I tell you about two players. One was drafted at #55 in 2023.

The other was drafted at #18 in 2024.

Your theory is that—besides money—they have an equal shot at success in the NBA?

The data on career trajectory by draft pick is widely known (at least I thought it wsa). Clearly it makes a difference.

It's not just "delaying the inevitable." With more money invested in you, you are given more opportunities to prove yourself.

I don't know much, but if there's one thing I do know, it's that when Day2 posts something, he's serious...

 

[dasher]

It’s 100% on Judah

I hope that is true but I worry about what dad thinks. And I wonder how you would know that? This group has been very tight lipped about this.

 

[Day2]

"attacking me personally."

You may be the most delicate person I've ever encountered if me not going along with you playing stupid is me "attacking" you. But okay. Here you go, ding-dong.

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An exploration of NBA draft pick performance history over 20 years in terms of career average points, rebounds, assists and more.

www.82games.com

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By: Claire Jiang and Wilson Yu

www.bruinsportsanalytics.com

Determining NBA Draft Pick Values - The Data Jocks

We determine NBA draft pick values in two different ways using data back to 1980 and quadratic programming.

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You can waste your time with the insults as much as you want. I’m just pointing out that it is indeed a waste of time.

You asked me for an explanation as to why Mintz would jump at the opportunity now, as opposed to waiting a year, and I gave it to you. Your data doesn’t actually refute that argument. You’re talking about the odds. Mintz (or his father) doesn’t care about the odds. He’s gambling on himself.

So yeah, he could increase his odds of success by waiting. Or he could put himself in a position where he has a year of experience and development over every guard in next year’s draft. While that probably won’t separate him from a lottery pick, it could separate him from the 18th pick or later.

Depending on where he goes, he could even get minutes in the NBA next season (I don’t think he will). Terance Mann was drafted 48th and split time between the Clippers and their G-League affiliate his rookie year. He even started a handful of games with the Clips. He’s been a solid role player and occasional starter ever since. I’m guessing the Mintz family is looking at success stories like that over the data that suggests otherwise.

(And I know that’s not an apples to apples comparison, as Mann played four years at FSU. At the same time, I doubt Mintz and his dad are viewing it that way.)

There are plenty of rational and logical reasons for why he should stay. That doesn’t mean Mintz will follow them.

 

[rrlbees]

I hope that is true but I worry about what dad thinks. And I wonder how you would know that? This group has been very tight lipped about this.

My lips are sealed

 

[UpstateSM]

It’s 100% on Judah

That would be good news, I’d imagine

 

[DoctorBombay]

Of course. It’s silly to think that they don’t. To each other? I have no idea.

Once more for the cheap seats...

 

[Orangezoo]

So may 31 at 1157?

 

[Ragman2000]

Of course. It’s silly to think that they don’t. To each other? I have no idea.

This is a post of the year candidate. Well done sir.

 

[Zelda Zonk]

You want me to post a link showing the correlation between career success and draft position? I'll happily do so. But I couldn't imagine anyone with the most elementary understanding of the NBA needing such a link. I thought it would be insulting to post one. But if this is news to you, I'll help you out and post one.

It’s just that you said you were telling us about two players… and then you didn’t. And then you cited “data” that you didn’t actually cite. I guess we could just take your word for it.

 

[kcsu]

I hope that if Judah goes pro he is ready mentally. The G league isn't going to be anything like college. I worry that he might not be prepared for the enormous differences between being a star on a huge stage vs just another project grinding for a shot in the shadows.

 

[twinight]

It’s just that you said you were telling us about two players… and then you didn’t. And then you cited “data” that you didn’t actually cite. I guess we could just take your word for it.

"It’s just that you said you were telling us about two players… and then you didn’t."

I did in the next two sentences that immediately followed. The sentences that start with, "One," and then, "The other." Not sure how I could have made that clearer.

"And then you cited “data” that you didn’t actually cite."

I gave three links filled with data. But yes, I didn't originally cite the data that higher draft picks have greater success and more chances/opportunities in the NBA. I found it hard to believe anyone on a basketball message board would need that explained to them. I apologize for overestimating you.

"I guess we could just take your word for it."

Or you could read the links provided. Or just use your head.

 

[rocklloyd]

If it’s about money, isn’t it conceivable he could make more money via NIL in college vs grinding away in g league (at least in next year). If he hates college, then so be it. Many of us are looking at this though our personal lens Knowing what we know now. Would I love to extend college and delay working another year. Hell ya! Being king of campus and laying pipe like a steam fitter.…Sounds like heaven.

 

[Scotch]

"It’s just that you said you were telling us about two players… and then you didn’t."

I did in the next two sentences that immediately followed. The sentences that start with, "One," and then, "The other." Not sure how I could have made that clearer.

"And then you cited “data” that you didn’t actually cite."

I gave three links filled with data. But yes, I didn't originally cite the data that higher draft picks have greater success and more chances/opportunities in the NBA. I found it hard to believe anyone on a basketball message board would need that explained to them. I apologize for overestimating you.

"I guess we could just take your word for it."

Or you could read the links provided. Or just use your head.

Boom. Roasted.

 

[Widget24]

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

"It’s just that you said you were telling us about two players… and then you didn’t."

I did in the next two sentences that immediately followed. The sentences that start with, "One," and then, "The other." Not sure how I could have made that clearer.

"And then you cited “data” that you didn’t actually cite."

I gave three links filled with data. But yes, I didn't originally cite the data that higher draft picks have greater success and more chances/opportunities in the NBA. I found it hard to believe anyone on a basketball message board would need that explained to them. I apologize for overestimating you.

"I guess we could just take your word for it."

Or you could read the links provided. Or just use your head.

I think the point was, what are the names of the players.

 

[SUFaninNJ]

My lips are sealed

 

[shandeezy7]

If it’s about money, isn’t it conceivable he could make more money via NIL in college vs grinding away in g league (at least in next year). If he hates college, then so be it. Many of us are looking at this though our personal lens Knowing what we know now. Would I love to extend college and delay working another year. Hell ya! Being king of campus and laying pipe like a steam fitter.…Sounds like heaven.

Unfortunately, getting your honorary plumbing license is only one part of college. There's another part of it and it's not for everyone.

 

[Day2]

If it’s about money, isn’t it conceivable he could make more money via NIL in college vs grinding away in g league (at least in next year). If he hates college, then so be it. Many of us are looking at this though our personal lens Knowing what we know now. Would I love to extend college and delay working another year. Hell ya! Being king of campus and laying pipe like a steam fitter.…Sounds like heaven.

It’s not about money for Mintz.