Juwan Howard

[money3189]

You said in that post both guys were wrong and I reject that premise. He tried to punch someone not Gard. How you think Gard was somehow responsible for that action I do not know. Anything beyond verbal banter was and is totally on Howard.

You should have ask for clarification before reacting. Dont look to dispute something until you understand what they are trying to say. I thought Howard did something that was fireable and thought Gard used poor judgement as well. Saying that doesnt take away what Howard did. Its two seperate things. I feel that way because Ive seen things go wrong when coaches are upset after the game. Ive experienced it. If you dont think what Gard did was unnecessary. Cool, thats your opinion. Im not mad at you for that. You have different experiences than Ive had.

EDIT and I see you are still trying to turn my comments into something else. I never said I thought Gard is responsible for Howard. Howard is from the hood. I expect that behavior from him. Im not surprised by his combative nature. Just suprised he would swing at some one. Thats way over the top and impulsive. He's a leader of men and they will follow bad behavior. Thats a big beef I have in the situation. To me thats fireable but you will ignore that because it doesnt fit your narrative.

 

[chugg21]

I'm fairly amused that people continue to say that he threw a punch. A punch and whatever that open hand reaching thing he did are vastly different.

 

[Cheriehoop]

I'm fairly amused that people continue to say that he threw a punch. A punch and whatever that open hand reaching thing he did are vastly different.

Well a few of the players there must have misinterpreted it too to start swinging themselves. Maybe you’re right he was just trying to give his cheek a little love pat.

 

[chugg21]

Well a few of the players there must have misinterpreted it too to start swinging themselves. Maybe you’re right he was just trying to give his cheek a little love pat.

Didn't mention the players anywhere in my post. Watch what Juwan does, slow it down and watch numerous times if needed. It's like a face mush with an open hand. A punch is a far more violent and different thing. People calling that a punch are living in fantasyland. Social media and everyone trying to have an opinion about everything just continues to make us all dumber.

 

[dasher]

Didn't mention the players anywhere in my post. Watch what Juwan does, slow it down and watch numerous times if needed. It's like a face mush with an open hand. A punch is a far more violent and different thing. People calling that a punch are living in fantasyland. Social media and everyone trying to have an opinion about everything just continues to make us all dumber.

Yeah. You know what else makes us dumber? Making light of a situation where an adult loses control and starts a melee where punches were thrown. That wasn't fantasy land. He didn't throw a punch but did start a mess. And not for the first time. He has control issues.

 

[chugg21]

Yeah. You know what else makes us dumber? Making light of a situation where an adult loses control and starts a melee where punches were thrown. That wasn't fantasy land. He didn't throw a punch but did start a mess. And not for the first time. He has control issues.

And for that he was suspended 5 games wasn't he? Punishment fits the crime or should he have been canceled so that the mob can move on and look for the next person to burn at the stake for whatever issue becomes the next thing to get worked up over as a collective?

 

[dasher]

And for that he was suspended 5 games wasn't he? Punishment fits the crime or should he have been canceled so that the mob can move on and look for the next person to burn at the stake for whatever issue becomes the next thing to get worked up over as a collective?

LOL Such a silly response. It wasn't the mob that said he was going to kill a opposing coach last year. It was Howard. It wasn't the mob that started a mess because he was a poor loser. Howard might be reminded that he called a time out with a 16 pt lead against Indiana with less than a minute to go. Burn at the stake? Now, who is making us dumber with statements like that? You. Reasonable people can agree or disagree on what the right punishment was. You act like people shouldn't have the right to the own opinion on it. This was 100% on Howard. No one else. Certainly not the people who think he should be punished for his actions.

 

[chugg21]

LOL Such a silly response. It wasn't the mob that said he was going to kill a opposing coach last year. It was Howard. It wasn't the mob that started a mess because he was a poor loser. Howard might be reminded that he called a time out with a 16 pt lead against Indiana with less than a minute to go. Burn at the stake? Now, who is making us dumber with statements like that? You. Reasonable people can agree or disagree on what the right punishment was. You act like people shouldn't have the right to the own opinion on it. This was 100% on Howard. No one else. Certainly not the people who think he should be punished for his actions.

He was punished and I simply said he didn't throw a punch which will continue to be an accurate statement.

 

[the villager]

A swing and a miss is aggressive behavior. It also foments more bad behavior in a group setting. How many times has a shove started an all out brawl ? Discipline is warranted.

 

[chugg21]

A swing and a miss is aggressive behavior. It also foments more bad behavior in a group setting. How many times has a shove started an all out brawl ? Discipline is warranted.

Agree. 5 games is appropriate. The people wanting a face push/slap attempt to be a career ender are ridiculous was basically my point.

 

[CuseTroop]

Agree. 5 games is appropriate. The people wanting a face push/slap attempt to be a career ender are ridiculous was basically my point.

He's not a guy on a factory floor who smacked a coworker. He's the head coach of a college basketball team. These men are supposed to be role models, leaders, adults..

 

[dasher]

Agree. 5 games is appropriate. The people wanting a face push/slap attempt to be a career ender are ridiculous was basically my point.

the problem for me is that it is a second offense. If this was the first time, 5 games would be enough. But there was the issue with Maryland last year. We often get second chances after making a dumb move. None of us are perfect. But that was the Maryland situation. Now we have this. I would have suspended him for the rest of the season. Certainly past the B1G tournament. I don't want him on the court for another possible Wisky game. He can't have another one of these. I hope we can all agree on that.

 

[OttoMets]

He's not a guy on a factory floor who smacked a coworker. He's the head coach of a college basketball team. These men are supposed to be role models, leaders, adults..

Yup.

No matter what shape your hand is in (fist, slap, making the shocker, etc.), when you violently swing your arm at someone at work you're going to lose your job about 99.9999999% of the time. Rightly so. That's not normal workplace behavior.

 

[Day2]

I'm fairly amused that people continue to say that he threw a punch. A punch and whatever that open hand reaching thing he did are vastly different.

Semantics. He hit him. He started with a closed fist and ended with a closed fist. The intent was clear and he made contact.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Semantics. He hit him. He started with a closed fist and ended with a closed fist. The intent was clear and he made contact.

We really can argue about anything and everything here.

 

[Day2]

We really can argue about anything and everything here.

Guilty as charged.

 

[bpo57]

Didn't mention the players anywhere in my post. Watch what Juwan does, slow it down and watch numerous times if needed. It's like a face mush with an open hand. A punch is a far more violent and different thing. People calling that a punch are living in fantasyland. Social media and everyone trying to have an opinion about everything just continues to make us all dumber.

You're right, not the same as a punch but in the overall scheme of things it's not an important distinction.

 

[Eric15]

He's not a guy on a factory floor who smacked a coworker. He's the head coach of a college basketball team. These men are supposed to be role models, leaders, adults..

And if a guy on a factory floor open handed slapped a colleague he would almost certainly be fired.

 

[bpo57]

the problem for me is that it is a second offense. If this was the first time, 5 games would be enough. But there was the issue with Maryland last year. We often get second chances after making a dumb move. None of us are perfect. But that was the Maryland situation. Now we have this. I would have suspended him for the rest of the season. Certainly past the B1G tournament. I don't want him on the court for another possible Wisky game. He can't have another one of these. I hope we can all agree on that.

Agree. Also rather clear that Michigan did a poor job of warning Howard that the Maryland fiasco should not be repeated. If they did thoroughly warn him then they should have canned him after the Wiscy mess.

 

[althea]

And if a guy on a factory floor open handed slapped a colleague he would almost certainly be fired.

I’m not sure this is true. It depends a lot on Union, participants, etc. Which begs the question - Have you ever been on a factory floor?

 

[Eric15]

I’m not sure this is true. It depends a lot on Union, participants, etc. Which begs the question - Have you ever been on a factory floor?

Yes one summer I worked at a box factory in East Syracuse and another summer I worked at a Pepsi plant in Cicero.

 

[chugg21]

And if a guy on a factory floor open handed slapped a colleague he would almost certainly be fired.

Suppose like everything that it all comes down to how important you are and how much leverage you have. Howard had Michigan a 1 seed last year and 1 jumper away from the Final Four. Combine that with back to back big time recruiting classes and he's got the leeway to get a 2nd(3rd?) chance.

Being excellent allowed Antonio Brown 3rd and 4th chances despite all evidence being that he was a horrible human being and teammate. Kaepernick never even managed to get a 2nd chance for taking a knee because at that point he wasn't a quality starter in the league.

 

[money3189]

He was punished and I simply said he didn't throw a punch which will continue to be an accurate statement.

It’s sad when you mention anything that doesn’t refer to Howard as a monster people automatically assume you are condoning his behavior. When has society become that?

 

[Scooch]

He was punished and I simply said he didn't throw a punch which will continue to be an accurate statement.

He threw a modern NBA punch.

 

[OrangeDW]

It’s sad when you mention anything that doesn’t refer to Howard as a monster people automatically assume you justify his behavior. When has society become that?

He has been painted as both a violent tough guy maniac, and a soft guy who doesn’t know how to throw a punch in this thread.

Impressive! All bases covered!