Last Jedi Discussion (WITH SPOILERS)

[Alsacs]

Amazing. Every word of what you just said was wrong.

In your opinion.
The plot was amazingly thin.

 

[Trueblue25]

If you can’t bring yourself to hate the guy who killed Han Solo, I don’t know what to tell you.

Hard to hate a joke. Rey’s characterhad 0 development. Here you go, here’s a light saber. Yep, you can magically defeat a fallen jedi who held his own against luke skywalker and trained for who knows how long at a jedi temple and under Snoke.

Kylo Ren’s had multiple chances to be hateable and they’ve squandered each. We’ll see if for what purpose next movie. Ridiculous he lost to rey in the first movie, laughable how he killed snoke, missed opportunity that he didnt kill leia, and another swing and miss with his and lukes duel. Usually they only give you three strikes.


Disney sucks.

 

[Day2]

In your opinion.
The plot was amazingly thin.

It’s a direct quote from the movie.

 

[Day2]

Hard to hate a joke. Rey’s characterhad 0 development. Here you go, here’s a light saber. Yep, you can magically defeat a fallen jedi who held his own against luke skywalker and trained for who knows how long at a jedi temple and under Snoke.

Kylo Ren’s had multiple chances to be hateable and they’ve squandered each. We’ll see if for what purpose next movie. Ridiculous he lost to rey in the first movie, laughable how he killed snoke, missed opportunity that he didnt kill leia, and another swing and miss with his and lukes duel. Usually they only give you three strikes.


Disney sucks.

He lost to Rey because Chewie shot him beforehand. I’m not going to get into a back and forth over personal preference.

 

[maxxyz]

In your opinion.
The plot was amazingly thin.

In your opinion.

I liked it. I don’t have the vehemence you have on the items you listed. I think this is what is so challenging in making even a trilogy; people have definite ideas about the universe and storyline that have been created. If it goes in a different direction it leads to fan frustration. I was happy that it didn’t follow the obvious path.

 

[Alsacs]

It’s a direct quote from the movie.

Now I got you.
Luke used it twice your right.

 

[Alsacs]

In your opinion.

I liked it. I don’t have the vehemence you have on the items you listed. I think this is what is so challenging in making even a trilogy; people have definite ideas about the universe and storyline that have been created. If it goes in a different direction it leads to fan frustration. I was happy that it didn’t follow the obvious path.

I haven’t said anything to your opinion.
Feel free to like it.
I said it wasn’t terrible IMO it was meh and the plot was a waste of a movie.

 

[CuseCPT]

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, etc. !

So - what are the rules of hyperspace jumps?

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays to you, too!

You may regret that you asked.

NERDERY AHEAD:
Routes have to be plotted in advance to avoid obstacles. Ships have navigation computers (or astromech droids) to plot these courses safely.
Han Solo: Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?

These obstacles exist because regular objects have analogs in hyperspace, almost like shadows. In the Expanded Universe the Imperials have a ship, the Interdictor class cruiser, that can project gravity wells to block ships from entering hyperspace or to force them out of hyperspace. Interdictor cruiser

Another example of this rule is the fact that they have to clear the asteroid field in ESB before they can jump to lightspeed. Yet another is that the debris from Alderaan in ANH causes the Falcon to come out of hyperspace early, presumably to avoid a collision with the debris.

There doesn't appear to be any such debris in the area of the chase in TLJ to explain why the Imperials couldn't send ships ahead in hyperspace to intercept the rebel fleet, which is of course, low on fuel and being tracked. I have no issues with that part.

There is nothing in Star Wars canon that I'm aware of the places a limit on minimum distance traveled. We also know from ESB that you can come out of hyperspace early if you want to, just ask Admiral Ozzel.

So again, why didn't the imperial force (or part of it) not simply jump ahead a short distance and set a blocking position to prevent the escape? As I said, I know these are hugely nerdy gripes that won't bother a casual moviegoer, but I know there are a lot of Star Wars nerds out there too that thought the same thing. A chase makes no sense if you can simply warp ahead of the person that is running from you. Again, they could have easily solved this issue if they just had it take place in or around something that they already established would prevent hyperspace travel, like an asteroid field or a nebula.

 

[CuseCPT]

Lol i loved Revenge of the Sith minus the darth vader scene

 

[Trueblue25]

Im trying to have a nice Holiday

 

[Day2]

Toxic Masculinity Is the True Villain of Star Wars: The Last Jedi

 

[Alsacs]

Toxic Masculinity Is the True Villain of Star Wars: The Last Jedi

It’s a bleeping movie.
(Not you) but the author stop making a movie about real life.
My god this stuff is ridlicious.
The movie tried talking about arms dealers and that scene in a casino made the issue a big joke.
Okay now I don’t like Rian Johnson if his cause was this message.
No males are allowed power for the next 246 years till it’s even.

 

[Day2]

It’s a bleeping movie.
(Not you) but the author stop making a movie about real life.
My god this stuff is ridlicious.
The movie tried talking about arms dealers and that scene in a casino made the issue a big joke.
Okay now I don’t like Rian Johnson if his cause was this message.
No males are allowed power for the next 246 years till it’s even.

You sound threatened.

 

[HoustonCuse]

Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays to you, too!

You may regret that you asked.

NERDERY AHEAD:
Routes have to be plotted in advance to avoid obstacles. Ships have navigation computers (or astromech droids) to plot these courses safely.
Han Solo: Traveling through hyperspace ain't like dusting crops, boy! Without precise calculations we could fly right through a star or bounce too close to a supernova and that'd end your trip real quick, wouldn't it?

These obstacles exist because regular objects have analogs in hyperspace, almost like shadows. In the Expanded Universe the Imperials have a ship, the Interdictor class cruiser, that can project gravity wells to block ships from entering hyperspace or to force them out of hyperspace. Interdictor cruiser

Another example of this rule is the fact that they have to clear the asteroid field in ESB before they can jump to lightspeed. Yet another is that the debris from Alderaan in ANH causes the Falcon to come out of hyperspace early, presumably to avoid a collision with the debris.

There doesn't appear to be any such debris in the area of the chase in TLJ to explain why the Imperials couldn't send ships ahead in hyperspace to intercept the rebel fleet, which is of course, low on fuel and being tracked. I have no issues with that part.

There is nothing in Star Wars canon that I'm aware of the places a limit on minimum distance traveled. We also know from ESB that you can come out of hyperspace early if you want to, just ask Admiral Ozzel.

So again, why didn't the imperial force (or part of it) not simply jump ahead a short distance and set a blocking position to prevent the escape? As I said, I know these are hugely nerdy gripes that won't bother a casual moviegoer, but I know there are a lot of Star Wars nerds out there too that thought the same thing. A chase makes no sense if you can simply warp ahead of the person that is running from you. Again, they could have easily solved this issue if they just had it take place in or around something that they already established would prevent hyperspace travel, like an asteroid field or a nebula.

Thank goodness somebody agrees with me on the chase thing. It is nuts. I would add that they don't have to be able to do short jumps, they could jump to some distant point and then back to the point which is very close their current location. Now one thing could have been that if they did that, it would eliminate their tracking capability and the rebels could have used their last remaining jump to get away. I would be fine with that. Maybe I'll just assume that is what caused them not to do it.

Your explanation of hyperspace does make me feel better about the scene where they destroy Snoke's ship. It jives with those rules. The part that doesn't make sense is why they haven't created hyperspace weapons. Take off the collision safety you mentioned that brought the Falcon out of light speed early and just put an asteroid or very massive hunk of metal on the front end of a remotely controlled hyperdrive and you have the ultimate insurgency weapon. Low cost, hard to defend against, very effective against large and expensive ships.

 

[Alsacs]

You sound threatened.

Yes I am threatened.
Totally afraid.

 

[CuseCPT]

Thank goodness somebody agrees with me on the chase thing. It is nuts. I would add that they don't have to be able to do short jumps, they could jump to some distant point and then back to the point which is very close their current location. Now one thing could have been that if they did that, it would eliminate their tracking capability and the rebels could have used their last remaining jump to get away. I would be fine with that. Maybe I'll just assume that is what caused them not to do it.

Your explanation of hyperspace does make me feel better about the scene where they destroy Snoke's ship. It jives with those rules. The part that doesn't make sense is why they haven't created hyperspace weapons. Take off the collision safety you mentioned that brought the Falcon out of light speed early and just put an asteroid or very massive hunk of metal on the front end of a remotely controlled hyperdrive and you have the ultimate insurgency weapon. Low cost, hard to defend against, very effective against large and expensive ships.

It doesn't make me feel better because if hyperspace ramming works, no space battle in the previous 7 movies and hundreds of video games, dice and paper games, novels and comics books make any sense. It's universe breaking in my opinion. Any old hulk, or even an asteroid, fitted with a hyperdrive and droid pilots would render the idea of building fleets of starships obsolete.

 

[Alsacs]

It doesn't make me feel better because if hyperspace ramming works, no space battle in the previous 7 movies and hundreds of video games, dice and paper games, novels and comics books make any sense. It's universe breaking in my opinion. Any old hulk, or even an asteroid, fitted with a hyperdrive and droid pilots would render the idea of building fleets of starships obsolete.

If Hyperspace ramming works then the resistance should empty ships and put them on auto pilot to do it.

This idea was stupid.
Also if there ever was a way to get rid of Leia her sacrificing herself in that ship was the easy way out to kill her off.
Why they wanted to kill off Luke and not Leia as well was questionable.

 

[maxxyz]

So again, why didn't the imperial force (or part of it) not simply jump ahead a short distance and set a blocking position to prevent the escape? As I said, I know these are hugely nerdy gripes that won't bother a casual moviegoer, but I know there are a lot of Star Wars nerds out there too that thought the same thing. A chase makes no sense if you can simply warp ahead of the person that is running from you. Again, they could have easily solved this issue if they just had it take place in or around something that they already established would prevent hyperspace travel, like an asteroid field or a nebula.

Seriously, thanks for the hyperspace overview. It’s great to have a list of previous limitations from the canon.

Another way to solve the question would have been to write in a line for a navigator to say “But sir we can’t make a jump of less than a parsec or the hypercoils will explode” or some other such nonsense. Once it’s in the script it’s canon.

Or there’s a heretofore unexplained reason they can’t do it. Otherwise they would have done it! Expect the answer in episode 9. Either way I’m just not that worried about it. There has been inconsistencies in every episode. I still enjoy them.

 

[CuseCPT]

As that review I linked earlier in the thread was discussing this movie was in many ways taking the old Star Wars and destroying, making it something totally new for the next generation. Maybe this Star Wars isn't for me, and that's okay.

I'll just leave this here lol.
https://theconcourse.deadspin.com/a-list-of-some-of-the-times-the-last-jedi-told-the-olde-1821396631

 

[CuseCPT]

And since others did it (and yes, I'm expecting people to say I'm crazy):
ROTJ - The triple storyline of the space battle, the throne room battle and the ground battle on Endor all culminating at the same time was a story editing triumph. Vader's redemption was the emotional high point of the series for me. If you say you didn't love the Ewoks when you were little you're lying.
ANH - The one that started it all.
ESB - Loved the battle of Hoth, and Luke's training with Yoda. Cloud City is not my favorite.
Rogue 1 - a kick ass war movie set in the Star Wars Universe.
The Force Awakens - Hit all the right notes, perfect blend of old and new.
Revenge of the Sith - Order 66 was a powerful moment, rest was serviceable.
The Phantom Menace - Duel of the Fates scene kicked absolute ass.
Attack of the Clones - utter s h i t with no real redeeming value.

 

[maxxyz]

And since others did it (and yes, I'm expecting people to say I'm crazy):
ROTJ - The triple storyline of the space battle, the throne room battle and the ground battle on Endor all culminating at the same time was a story editing triumph. Vader's redemption was the emotional high point of the series for me. If you say you didn't love the Ewoks when you were little you're lying.
ANH - The one that started it all.
ESB - Loved the battle of Hoth, and Luke's training with Yoda. Cloud City is not my favorite.
Rogue 1 - a kick ass war movie set in the Star Wars Universe.
The Force Awakens - Hit all the right notes, perfect blend of old and new.
Revenge of the Sith - Order 66 was a powerful moment, rest was serviceable.
The Phantom Menace - Duel of the Fates scene kicked absolute ass.
Attack of the Clones - utter s h i t with no real redeeming value.

And the Last Jedi goes where?

 

[CuseCPT]

And the Last Jedi goes where?

Want to see it one more time before I decide.

 

[Trueblue25]

Nothing beats obi wan’s and anakin’s battle on Mustafar. Or even comes close.

 

[DoubleDee]

Nothing beats obi wan’s and anakin’s battle on Mustafar. Or even comes close.

Except them awkwardly floating around over the lava on those things. That’s what ruins it for me. It’s comical.

 

[DoubleDee]

And since others did it (and yes, I'm expecting people to say I'm crazy):
ROTJ - The triple storyline of the space battle, the throne room battle and the ground battle on Endor all culminating at the same time was a story editing triumph. Vader's redemption was the emotional high point of the series for me. If you say you didn't love the Ewoks when you were little you're lying.
ANH - The one that started it all.
ESB - Loved the battle of Hoth, and Luke's training with Yoda. Cloud City is not my favorite.
Rogue 1 - a kick ass war movie set in the Star Wars Universe.
The Force Awakens - Hit all the right notes, perfect blend of old and new.
Revenge of the Sith - Order 66 was a powerful moment, rest was serviceable.
The Phantom Menace - Duel of the Fates scene kicked absolute ass.
Attack of the Clones - utter s h i t with no real redeeming value.

I can’t argue with much of this, other than my order would be a tad different. But I was 13, so yes I HATED the Ewoks, even though I love the movie.