LeQuint Allen is Back

[djorange1989]

The Complainant initially said that LeQuint held him up while another SU player punched him. It was then proven that the other SU player was not even there. LeQuint stood up for his teammate to help prove he wasn't there but in so doing LeQuint did admit he punched the guy to as LeQuint said "prevent him from punching me a third time". The Complainant, who is an SU student, is not credible here and never has alleged that LeQuint injured him. He apparently was involved in several fights that night. The complainant never appeared in this matter again after he filed his police statement. He never showed up at the hearing or anything. LeQuint has agreed to pay for the guy's medical co-pays as part of a deal LeQuint offered. Not saying this was the complainant's motivation, but oddly enough, if the guy was looking to make money off of this, getting LeQuint suspended from football is probably going to kill that idea. Also, according to LeQuint, the complainant threated LeQuint that he was going to come back with a gun after LeQuint put him on his rear. The legal papers say nothing about what disciplinary action SU has taken against the complainant.

holy crap. gee, SU, maybe you suspended the wrong person, you idiots

 

[Orangezoo]

So does all the obvious heat coming out from this towards the school from alums, fans and fellow players move the needle at all? Seems legally its less likely there would be traction as some have so well outlined..

School looks pretty awful right now with how this was handled.

 

[sabach]

If the judge is not 100% comfortable overriding the university's dumb decision, then I hope at the hearing next month that he at least gives the lawyers from SU the "I will give you and Mr. Allen's attorney 48 hours to work something out, I think it would be in your best interest" speech, maybe that will freak them out enough to work it out and the judge won't have to actually do it. I am not Matlock, but if that is feasible, I am hoping for it.

I don't see that happening on an Article 78 proceeding. The question is would SU suspend Joe Blow the engineering major if he did the same thing. I don't know the answer to that question. But if the answer is yes, there is no way that SU gives LeQuint a better deal because he is RB1.

 

[UpstateSM]

The Complainant initially said that LeQuint held him up while another SU player punched him. It was then proven that the other SU player was not even there. LeQuint stood up for his teammate to help prove he wasn't there but in so doing LeQuint did admit he punched the guy to as LeQuint said "prevent him from punching me a third time". The Complainant, who is an SU student, is not credible here and never has alleged that LeQuint injured him. He apparently was involved in several fights that night. The complainant never appeared in this matter again after he filed his police statement. He never showed up at the hearing or anything. LeQuint has agreed to pay for the guy's medical co-pays as part of a deal LeQuint offered. Not saying this was the complainant's motivation, but oddly enough, if the guy was looking to make money off of this, getting LeQuint suspended from football is probably going to kill that idea. Also, according to LeQuint, the complainant threated LeQuint that he was going to come back with a gun after LeQuint put him on his rear. The legal papers say nothing about what disciplinary action SU has taken against the complainant.

Can you PM me where I can find this? Looked on NYSCEF and couldn’t find anything. Very slow day in the office. Lol

 

[bnoro]

Syracuse has a long track record of turning away students for things that other schools take no issue with.

Anyone remember Colt Brennan?

I'll give you a real time example. Google Jayden DeLaura, QB for my son's school Arizona Wildcats. It was discovered a few weeks ago he had a sexual assault incident when he was in high school. There was a 5 minute outcry.

Then the story went away. And he is still the QB.

University even released a statement


I'm not making a value judgment on whether he should or shouldnt be. I'm merely saying most schools go above and beyond, often to a fault, to protect their student athletes. We are eager to use them as public examples.

Uhhhhh if this was the situation, I'd very much like SU to have removed him from the team. This is a ridiculous apples and oranges comparison.

 

[All4SU]

I have not read the entire thread….

But, several things can be true at once.
1) I don’t know what happened. None of us do.
2) Courts and DAs can sometimes show leniency or look the other way when athletes and local celebs are involved in events.
3) LA may or may not deserve punishment.
4) We have seen in instances at colleges around the country that these University committees are frequently nothing more than kangaroo courts, dispatching judgement without due process. But they hold a lot of power and can drastically impact peoples’ lives.
5) See #1.

 

[sabach]

Can you PM me where I can find this? Looked on NYSCEF and couldn’t find anything. Very slow day in the office. Lol

Just PM'd you.

 

[Trueblue25]

This will probably get thrown out after a painfully long, lazy process then the University will go right back to taking profits off his and the team’s likeness

 

[SWC75]

this kind of reminds me of a scent of a woman. when the bough breaks, the cradle will fall. where is pacino when you need him.

Yeah!

 

[Sudano]

holy crap. gee, SU, maybe you suspended the wrong person, you idiots

The other guy wasn't suspended by SU, but he was sentenced to death by the university

 

[SP_Gilbs]

 

[XC Cuse]

The other guy wasn't suspended by SU, but he was sentenced to death by the university

I heard he was pushed from an airplane...

Granted the airplane wasn't in the air. But still, pretty harsh.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Uhhhhh if this was the situation, I'd very much like SU to have removed him from the team. This is a ridiculous apples and oranges comparison.

Right but you are missing the point of my post.

Of course, I would feel that way too. But what I am saying is...we are on the extreme opposite end when it comes to making the punishment fit the crime.

 

[dasher]

So help me here. If a female student was hit by a male student twice in the face and struck her attacker
back, she would be suspended for two semesters?

 

[javadoc]

agree. what happened here has nothing to do with SU being "woke" or whatever dumb sh** is being posted. It's a longtime horrible process that goes way back and needs to be fixed, it's garbage. For goodness sakes, we can all agree that Allen is getting royally screwed, so let's shut up with everything else

If this doesn't get handled quickly by the local authorities and the school, and it gets to litigation, that can be a tough one due to SU's private status. FIRE (who I mentioned previously) has a good history defending against the abuses of "kangaroo court" situations like these, but it's trickier for privates. Have to find some violation of the school's own stated policies kind of thing. Unless there is a legitimate due process concern. Not enough of an expert to say.

 

[bnoro]

Right but you are missing the point of my post.

Of course, I would feel that way too. But what I am saying is...we are on the extreme opposite end when it comes to making the punishment fit the crime.

I don't think a sexual assault case was an appropriate example for you to use.

 

[SWC75]

I've now read through all the legal papers. LaQunit has a tough case for an Article 78 proceeding.

He is claiming that at the first two levels of the SU judicial system, (before one student and then before the student board) he was told that self defense could not be raised or considered. Even if he is right there, the final SU appeal before the adults did discuss self defense and rejected it. One may disagree with their conclusion but there is a big legal difference with addressing a defense and rejecting it and never addressing an available defense in the first place. Only the latter is usually able to be successfully legally challenged.

LaQuint's argument is that if the first two levels considered self defense, they may have not given him a two semester suspension. A court will generally not make that type of assumption, especially if the last level of internal appeal did uphold the suspension and did address self defense. Even so, a one semester fall 2023 suspension would take him off the football team this season anyway.

He is also arguing in effect that the punishment does not fit the crime. SU suspended him for a year with the opportunity to be reinstated again to finish his degree after a year and presumably play football again. I doubt a court will consider that as a result that "shocks the senses". We may disagree but a court usually is very careful not to interject itself into discretionary decisions that were made at lower levels unless there is a huge miscarriage of justice. I would suspect that SU can show that they have suspended many students in the past who got into a fight with another student so as to show that LaQunit is not unique.

He punched another student in the face and allegedly caused a tooth to come out and head injuries. I probably would have done the same thing if I was LaQuint under the circumstances. But it would be very hard for a trial court judge to reverse the decision of a private college on the suspension of a student who admitted to punching another student in the face even without those injuries unless there were massive procedural missteps which now that I have read all the papers, I just don't see. Article 78 proceedings are not easy. I hope for the sake of the season that I am wrong.

Is the law the enemy of common sense?

 

[rrlbees]

Those of you who are turning this thing into a political discussion or those of you who had previously tried to turn it into a racial discussion, are going to find yourselves not able to post in this thread at all. Even the slightest hint of either will result in a thread ban. Stop it now.

 

[Cusefan0307]

holy crap. gee, SU, maybe you suspended the wrong person, you idiots

Wouldn't be the first time.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I just have a hard time believing that the standard punishment for throwing a punch is a 2 semester suspension.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

I don't think a sexual assault case was an appropriate example for you to use.

I think it actually underscores my point further.

One one end of the spectrum is school A...that suspends a player for a year for punching another guy, in self defense.

On the other are schools that dont flinch at reports of a sexual assault that happened when the player was on high school.

My point is this is small potatoes and we should be supporting our kids when the situation allows, particularly considering the extremes some other schools will go to. My point is not that a kid accused of sexual assault should not be punished. Frankly, I think the punishment severity is backwards in these cases

 

[UpstateSM]

Our All-ACC point guard smacked a dude in the back of the head during a game on campus and didn’t get punished lol

 

[Chip]

Those of you who are turning this thing into a political discussion or those of you who had previously tried to turn it into a racial discussion, are going to find yourselves not able to post in this thread at all. Even the slightest hint of either will result in a thread ban. Stop it now.

Sorry, thought it was one of those "window's open bi***es, enjoy it while you can" situations.

I'll stop.

 

[City of Cuse]

InleesThose of you who are turning this thing into a political discussion or those of you who had previously tried to turn it into a racial discussion, are going to find yourselves not able to post in this thread at all. Even the slightest hint of either will result in a thread ban. Stop it now.

It’s time, get ‘em bees.

 

[FreakTalksAboutSU]

Sincere request for the group here - this is an important story that we need to have an open thread on. Can we PLEASE not go political here and get the thread locked?