Let's Be Realistic

[DirtDog44]

I am 100% on board with Coach Babers. I love his hard work, student athlete first approach because that should always be the mandate of a successful college coach... but let's not kid ourselves. He says this is a destination job but if he should somehow turn around our program into an 8-10 game winner he is gone quicker than a fart in the wind. We've been burned by "Mr. Dream Job" Marrone and with that in mind we should all realize that at the end of the day college sports has become very much like the pro game..where success and the pay check dictate the job status/destination of any one coach. Let's hope Coach Babers is different...but quite honestly I am not concerned because if he can bring us back to success then he deserves any opportunity that is presented to him. It's a problem I hope we can all discuss in the future when Syracuse is contending for a national championship.

 

[orangenirvana]

I wonder how many more "Be realistic", "All is not well", "Stop thinking positively", "We still can't have nice things" threads I'm going to see here between now and next September. Probably a lot.

I get it though. We're not used to this type of thing. In football anyway. It's natural to think that there's a catch or it's a trap!

 

[RoatanCuse]

As coach DB said, the first year will be an adjustment for the kids. They have to swallow his conditioning program, they have to learn a new playbook and they have to put what they learned into practice. I think he said we should see the system kick in (glimpses) during the first half of the second year. But I fully expect a good amount of bitching and complaining on this board from some who "want it now". I've waited 16 years, I can wait another.

 

[texascpa]

As coach DB said, the first year will be an adjustment for the kids. They have to swallow his conditioning program, they have to learn a new playbook and they have to put what they learned into practice. I think he said we should see the system kick in (glimpses) during the first half of the second year. But I fully expect a good amount of bitching and complaining on this board from some who "want it now". I've waited 16 years, I can wait another.

No playbook. HCDB doesn't use a playbook. Just want to make sure everyone is aware of that so it's not used as an excuse this year.

 

[Pyle]

The way I look at, there's no reason to worry about whether he will leave or stay if he is successful. What we should be focused on is whether he will be successful at all. We can worry about the rest of the equation in a couple of years lol.

 

[TheCusian]

No playbook. HCDB doesn't use a playbook. Just want to make sure everyone is aware of that so it's not used as an excuse this year.

Learning the system/tempo can be traded for a traditional playbook. Both take time to master.

 

[jekelish]

I feel like I need to gather up all of the Syracuse fans who insist on being pessimistic no matter what and just make them watch this scene a loop, Clockwork Orange style:

 

[upperdeck]

Marone wasnt going to another college he was looking to the pro's all along.. Who knows what Babers wants be he said he wants a place he can stay so maybe college is where he wants to be and staying is in the cards.. if he gets to 8-10 wins here then he is pretty close to the top of the game

 

[bevosu]

If Babers can win, and the money is right, He could stay for awhile. Maybe a long while, but the money has to be there. For him and the program.

 

[GoCuse08]

I am pretty sure we would build a statue for him if he put together a couple 10 win seasons...that has to account for something.

 

[SUATO92]

I wonder how many more "Be realistic", "All is not well", "Stop thinking positively", "We still can't have nice things" threads I'm going to see here between now and next September. Probably a lot.

I get it though. We're not used to this type of thing. In football anyway. It's natural to think that there's a catch or it's a trap!

I suggest we create the Captain Obvious/I Never Knew There Was Risk Attached award to bestow it upon the most nervous of Nelly posters between now and kickoff in September.

I think it would be interesting to do research and find out what is going on in the minds of these posters immediately preceding the impulse to go on a fan board and throw cold water on any positive feelings that might be floating around. I'm guessing the debbie downer impulse is highly correlated with self assurance that nobody else could have possibly thought through any and all possible negative scenarios and like piped pipers of doom they have come to save us from all hope!

But I remain undaunted by their negativity and I will trumpet the return of Syracuse football greatness to all of the unwashed UCONN and Rutgirls fans not currently on lock down and unfortunately roaming the halls of my office here in NYC. One more thing for the naysayers...LET'S GO ORANGE!

 

[dollarbill44]

I think I'm being realistic when I say your attitude sucks.

 

[OrangePA]

I am 100% on board with Coach Babers. I love his hard work, student athlete first approach because that should always be the mandate of a successful college coach... but let's not kid ourselves. He says this is a destination job but if he should somehow turn around our program into an 8-10 game winner he is gone quicker than a fart in the wind. We've been burned by "Mr. Dream Job" Marrone and with that in mind we should all realize that at the end of the day college sports has become very much like the pro game..where success and the pay check dictate the job status/destination of any one coach. Let's hope Coach Babers is different...but quite honestly I am not concerned because if he can bring us back to success then he deserves any opportunity that is presented to him. It's a problem I hope we can all discuss in the future when Syracuse is contending for a national championship.

I hope you're wrong.

I hope that Dino comes to love CNY in the way that Coach Mac, and Coach P and Coach Robinson and Coach Shafer did.

And I suspect that if he is able sell out the Dome and challenge for the ACC Championship, he will make a lot of money and become the kind of legacy coach that Ben Schwartzwalder was.

 

[tep624]

You're right...this is nothing to be excited about. Dino Babers Beano Flabers.

Now the Pizza Pouch, that's something to be excited about

 

[Czar]

If Babers is still here at 60, he'll stay here

 

[HOFCeluck]

What a unique take that hasnt been at all repeated ad nauseam even before HCSS was fired.

 

[KellySyracuse]

I only see upside with Babers, regardless if he stays or leaves in 5 or 6 years. The only way he leaves is because SU has returned to the winning side or he gets fired which means we never progressed beyond the few successful Marrone years. Holy cow people, some of you need to take a Xanax

 

[cuse309]

It will be a nice problem to have.

 

[OrangeDW]

The average Syracuse football fan:

 

[Stern]

I wonder how many more "Be realistic", "All is not well", "Stop thinking positively", "We still can't have nice things" threads I'm going to see here between now and next September. Probably a lot.

I get it though. We're not used to this type of thing. In football anyway. It's natural to think that there's a catch or it's a trap!

Totally agree. The SU fan base is so beaten down for about 15 years now that they aren't used to a confident competent proven head coach who can produce results and has a legit track record. Those fans will learn there is no catch there is no trap. SU found themselves a winner and the doom and gloom days are over.

And if he has 3 or 4 good years here at Syracuse and an SEC or Big 10 school comes calling I will drive him to the airport and carry his bags for him and wish him well! We aren't hiring a supreme court judge who is expected to hold the job for their natural life. He is a football coach, all he has to do is win. Nothing more nothing less I don't care if he hates the snow and the food in Syracuse and thinks the city is a dump. He doesn't have to love the city. Just do his job, win games, and if he wants to leave in time by all means he is entitled that. If he leaves this program in better shape than when he took over then he did his job and we should be grateful to Coach Dino!

 

[Rocco]

I am 100% on board with Coach Babers. I love his hard work, student athlete first approach because that should always be the mandate of a successful college coach... but let's not kid ourselves. He says this is a destination job but if he should somehow turn around our program into an 8-10 game winner he is gone quicker than a fart in the wind. We've been burned by "Mr. Dream Job" Marrone and with that in mind we should all realize that at the end of the day college sports has become very much like the pro game..where success and the pay check dictate the job status/destination of any one coach. Let's hope Coach Babers is different...but quite honestly I am not concerned because if he can bring us back to success then he deserves any opportunity that is presented to him. It's a problem I hope we can all discuss in the future when Syracuse is contending for a national championship.

No one was "burned" because of Marrone leaving. If you're still sour over it, time to move on.

The only person who "burned" us, if we're going to name names, would be Gross for hiring GRob after firing PP.

Still haven't fully recovered.

 

[anomander]

Let's get these 10 win seasons and then we can worry about our coach leaving. If it ever gets to that point we will be in a very good place. We should only hope our coach does so good he's being coveted by the factories/NFL (because that's only place left to go).

 

[OrangeTarheel]

The man has barely taken a handful of bowel movements in this town and you're already moving him on to bigger and better things. Great if you're his agent, horrible if you are a fan. Go get help this offseason so you can enjoy a rocky but fun first year on the Babers Express.

 

[rrlbees]

I wonder how many more "Be realistic", "All is not well", "Stop thinking positively", "We still can't have nice things" threads I'm going to see here between now and next September. Probably a lot. I get it though. We're not used to this type of thing. In football anyway. It's natural to think that there's a catch or it's a trap!

Far less than the Coyle is clueless posts we had.

 

[rrlbees]

I suggest we create the Captain Obvious/I Never Knew There Was Risk Attached award to bestow it upon the most nervous of Nelly posters between now and kickoff in September. I think it would be interesting to do research and find out what is going on in the minds of these posters immediately preceding the impulse to go on a fan board and throw cold water on any positive feelings that might be floating around. I'm guessing the debbie downer impulse is highly correlated with self assurance that nobody else could have possibly thought through any and all possible negative scenarios and like piped pipers of doom they have come to save us from all hope! But I remain undaunted by their negativity and I will trumpet the return of Syracuse football greatness to all of the unwashed UCONN and Rutgirls fans not currently on lock down and unfortunately roaming the halls of my office here in NYC. One more thing for the naysayers...LET'S GO ORANGE!

What I would find interesting is how many of the so called "positive" posters now were the so called "negative" posters that first trashed Shafer and then Coyle after Frost went to CFU.