Marrone

[Millhouse]

Rich Kotite for Jets fans is like Grob for Orange fans. If Syracuse was going to hire a coach who had a RESEMBLENCE to Grob and a media guy said he was a young Grob , you think that would be fair.

Just because it isn't racism doesn't mean it's fair

You have a resemblance to someone on bath salts

 

[kcsu]

Dougs primary issue has been sticking with Hack. If he hired or hires a true OC my sense is that he will take it to the next level. Hack is marginal at best

 

[Millhouse]

Now schefter is saying marrone's discontent started over watkins trade. Which is awkward for his fan club who thought it must've been a great pick. Right, go?

 

[CousCuse]

Just because it isn't racism doesn't mean it's fair

You have a resemblance to someone on bath salts

You have a resemblance to someone who goosesteps.

 

[CIL]

He is not a very, very good football coach until he actually wins something like a conference championship. The only championship he tied for in his last year of the Big East, but he can be called a good coach. You and others act like he has done something great, he hasn't , but I believe if he finally manages to put self aside, and stays the course at a job he can become a great coach. Greatness comes from putting self aside, and fighting through adversity, so far Doug hasn't shown the ability to stay the course.

Huh? I need bread crumbs to follow this post. You said he cannot be considered a good coach until he wins a conference championship, right? Then you went on to state that he actually WON a conference championship his last year here. So using your logic, he actually is a good coach?

I think most posters on this board vastly underestimate the resurrection job he did at Syracuse University. We were literally the worst BCS team in the nation prior to his arrival, losing to the likes of Akron at home. His last year we took down Mizzou, at Mizzou, as team that has played in the last 2 SEC championships games.

This isn't 1987 anymore folks and the Dome isn't a shiny new toy.

 

[Shenexon]

CBS sports has an article on DM: link, with an interesting blurb: "Jets owner Woody Johnson is prepared to have the process wrapped up by the end of this week and quite possibly much sooner, with top general manager candidate Mike Maccagnan of the Texans interviewing on Monday. Maccagnan might have the closest ties of all to Marrone as the two men have become very close since their time together in the long defunct World League of American Football, with Maccagnan signing Marrone to be the quarterback of the London Monarchs back in 1991."

 

[CIL]

Now schefter is saying marrone's discontent started over watkins trade. Which is awkward for his fan club who thought it must've been a great pick. Right, go?

That was nothing compared to his reaction the the EJ Manuel pick.

 

[Chip]

Getting a great coach will be even tougher with no qb, no 1st rounder, and current assistants under contract. Oh and if the current regime still wants control over personnel that will not be a help either. Like it or not, Buffalo is not a glamour franchise or city either and unless you're born there the perception is what it is. Right now this is not an attractive job.

Compared to what? It's an NFL job. Not even the worst one (Jacksonville, hello!).

And when one of these 32 precious jobs come open, there is tremendous competition for them. The # of people who are selective enough to keep it off their radar because of the reasons you cite can probably be counted on one hand, by someone without all his digits. Is Shanahan the crazy person going to turn it down?

When I hear some of you talk about the Buffalo job, I feel like you're thinking about the Syracuse job and just projecting it a couple hours to the west. Apples and paper clips.

 

[djorange1989]

Biggest pile of BS in that whole quote. It's not a top job, obviously. And it might have been a lousy job when Doug took over, but unless you're talking about the weather - Syracuse is a P5 job at a very good university.

I love my school and bleed Orange but out of all the P5 jobs, you can't tell me it isn't in the bottom 10 from a football standpoint. It was the worst job when Doug took it over and it has improved with our move to the ACC, better facilities etc but it is still a very very difficult place to win.

 

[djorange1989]

Kotite took over Buddy Ryan's championship level Eagles team and destroyed it before the Jets debacle. He didn't build up anything. Lupica is just a paid for hit man.

It's funny. Lupica rips Marrone's mediocre career record, failing to mention that he took over awful teams and improved them both, greatly in the case of SU. Yet Mr Boston College loves Steve Addazio, he of the mediocre career record because he has made a bad BC team better. Hypocritical, loudmouth BC jackass. The only former SU coach that can be compared to Kotite is GROB. That shoe fits

 

[Millhouse]

CBS sports has an article on DM: link, with an interesting blurb: "Jets owner Woody Johnson is prepared to have the process wrapped up by the end of this week and quite possibly much sooner, with top general manager candidate Mike Maccagnan of the Texans interviewing on Monday. Maccagnan might have the closest ties of all to Marrone as the two men have become very close since their time together in the long defunct World League of American Football, with Maccagnan signing Marrone to be the quarterback of the London Monarchs back in 1991."

Id love to see some footage of that

 

[Millhouse]

That was nothing compared to his reaction the the EJ Manuel pick.

I was fine with Manuel pick but only because I thought they could try again but the watkins pick screwed that up.

I think Marrone is a dope but I don't blame him for thinking Whaley stinks. Because Whaley does stink

I could've told him that Brandon and Whaley stink, he should've asked me

 

[CIL]

I was fine with Manuel pick but only because I thought they could try again but the watkins pick screwed that up.

I think Marrone is a dope but I don't blame him for thinking Whaley stinks. Because Whaley does stink

I could've told him that Brandon and Whaley stink, he should've asked me

The Manuel pick would have been fine -- two rounds later.

 

[CIL]

Compared to what? It's an NFL job. Not even the worst one (Jacksonville, hello!).

And when one of these 32 precious jobs come open, there is tremendous competition for them. The # of people who are selective enough to keep it off their radar because of the reasons you cite can probably be counted on one hand, by someone without all his digits. Is Shanahan the crazy person going to turn it down?

When I hear some of you talk about the Buffalo job, I feel like you're thinking about the Syracuse job and just projecting it a couple hours to the west. Apples and paper clips.

You trying to tell me I can't eat a paper clip?

 

[AZOrange]

CBS sports has an article on DM: link, with an interesting blurb: "Jets owner Woody Johnson is prepared to have the process wrapped up by the end of this week and quite possibly much sooner, with top general manager candidate Mike Maccagnan of the Texans interviewing on Monday. Maccagnan might have the closest ties of all to Marrone as the two men have become very close since their time together in the long defunct World League of American Football, with Maccagnan signing Marrone to be the quarterback of the London Monarchs back in 1991."

Wait...What? Is this like Andy Reid in the punt, pass and kick competition?

 

[wfschrec]

This thread is epic!

 

[Shenexon]

Id love to see some footage of that

I think the writer got it wrong. Marrone is listed as the center of the offensive line nicknamed the "Nasty Boyz".

The 1991 All-World League Team
First Team Offense:
WR/TE:
Jon Horton, London Monarchs
Gene Taylor, Barcelona Dragons
Byron Williams, Orlando Thunder

T:
Mike Withycombe, Orlando Thunder
Steve Gabbard, London Monarchs

G:
Garry Frank, Frankfurt Galaxy
Paul Berardelli, London Monarchs

C:
Doug Marrone, London Monarchs

QB:
Stan Gelbaugh, London Monarchs

RB:
Ricky Blake, San Antonio Riders
Tony Baker, Frankfurt Galaxy



First Team Defense
DE:
Bruce Clark, Barcelona Dragons
Mark Mraz, Frankfurt Galaxy

NT:
Roy Hart, London Monarchs

OLB:
Danny Lockett, London Monarchs
Tracy Simien, Montreal Machine

ILB:
John Brantley, Birmingham Fire
Tim Walton, San Antonio Riders

CB:
Anthony Parker, NY/NJ Knights
Corris Ervin, London Monarchs

SS:
Greg Coauette, Sacramento Surge

FS:
John Miller, Birmingham Fire



First Team Specialists
P:
Chris Mohr, Montreal Machine
K: Phil Alexander, London Monarchs

ST (PR):
Eroll Tucker, Orlando Thunder

Operation Discocery:
Phil Alexander, London Monarchs

 

[wfschrec]

I think the writer got it wrong. Marrone is listed as the center of the offensive line nicknamed the "Nasty Boyz".

The 1991 All-World League Team
First Team Offense:
WR/TE:
Jon Horton, London Monarchs
Gene Taylor, Barcelona Dragons
Byron Williams, Orlando Thunder

T:
Mike Withycombe, Orlando Thunder
Steve Gabbard, London Monarchs

G:
Garry Frank, Frankfurt Galaxy
Paul Berardelli, London Monarchs

C:
Doug Marrone, London Monarchs

QB:
Stan Gelbaugh, London Monarchs

RB:
Ricky Blake, San Antonio Riders
Tony Baker, Frankfurt Galaxy



First Team Defense
DE:
Bruce Clark, Barcelona Dragons
Mark Mraz, Frankfurt Galaxy

NT:
Roy Hart, London Monarchs

OLB:
Danny Lockett, London Monarchs
Tracy Simien, Montreal Machine

ILB:
John Brantley, Birmingham Fire
Tim Walton, San Antonio Riders

CB:
Anthony Parker, NY/NJ Knights
Corris Ervin, London Monarchs

SS:
Greg Coauette, Sacramento Surge

FS:
John Miller, Birmingham Fire



First Team Specialists
P:
Chris Mohr, Montreal Machine
K: Phil Alexander, London Monarchs

ST (PR):
Eroll Tucker, Orlando Thunder

Operation Discocery:
Phil Alexander, London Monarchs

What a journalist with no clue at all? Impossible ...

 

[Shenexon]

What a journalist with no clue at all? Impossible ...

It's sad when I can do a 20 second google search and get better info than someone that's paid to do it

 

[wfschrec]

It's sad when I can do a 20 second google search and get better info than someone that's paid to do it

Wait .. 20 secs ... do you think those clowns get paid by the hour? Someone is getting hosed in this deal.

 

[OrangePA]

I'm pretty sure that Doug Marrone became best friends with Rob Edson after coming back to Syracuse.

Rob was of course a first class man in every respect.

That he and Doug became so close says a lot.

And, of course, Doug is very close to Coach Mac - a decent and honorable man.

That also says a lot.

 

[GoSU96]

Now schefter is saying marrone's discontent started over watkins trade. Which is awkward for his fan club who thought it must've been a great pick. Right, go?

You mean the impossible to work with control freak, who hires and then delegates well, was a good solider and didn't throw his GM under the bus either on the record or through "unnamed sources".

I still don't have an issue with, but I'm no geeky draftnik. They reached to try to get to the playoffs, and it almost worked. Whaley made some good moves.

Hypothetical, if Marrone's problem, and the unnamed sources are the old guard that have been a huge part of the Bills incompetence, is Marrone trying the wrestle control away from those guys a good thing or bad thing? If those guys are the ones bad mouthing him, should anyone give a ***, and should he get credit for his enemies?

 

[Statesman1]

He is not a very, very good football coach until he actually wins something like a conference championship. The only championship he tied for in his last year of the Big East, but he can be called a good coach. You and others act like he has done something great, he hasn't , but I believe if he finally manages to put self aside, and stays the course at a job he can become a great coach. Greatness comes from putting self aside, and fighting through adversity, so far Doug hasn't shown the ability to stay the course.

Can you please clarify what you mean by "putting self aside" - you mentioned it twice and I don't understand the point you are trying to make. Sounds like something a marriage counselor might suggest on a 70's sit com before advising the unhappy couple to have a pillow fight to get rid of their aggressions.

 

[OrangePA]

Kotite took over Buddy Ryan's championship level Eagles team and destroyed it before the Jets debacle. He didn't build up anything. Lupica is just a paid for hit man.

True.

Kotite got the Eagles job simply because Norman Braman and Harry Gamble figured that he could best handle Randall Cunningham - after Braman insisted that Buddy be fired - for not affording him - Braman - the kind of respect that he expected as team owner.

Kotite took over the best young team in football - a team with one of the great defenses in history.

And by the time he left the Eagles were on a five game losing streak and out of the play-offs.

He was a pretty good example of the "Peter Principle."

Doug Marrone of course hardly falls into that category.

 

[Millhouse]

You mean the impossible to work with control freak, who hires and then delegates well, was a good solider and didn't throw his GM under the bus either on the record or through "unnamed sources". I still don't have an issue with, but I'm no geeky draftnik. They reached to try to get to the playoffs, and it almost worked. Whaley made some good moves. Hypothetical, if Marrone's problem, and the unnamed sources are the old guard that have been a huge part of the Bills incompetence, is Marrone trying the wrestle control away from those guys a good thing or bad thing? If those guys are the ones bad mouthing him, should anyone give a ***, and should he get credit for his enemies?

Good soldier who gets in screaming matches at training camp and distanced himself from Whaley and Manuel in pretty strong terms

He should be a gm, he'd probably be a good one