Marrone

[GoSU96]

? I wasn't coming down on him for anything, just making statements supporting things that are fairly well known.

I could care less about the article. And I think he did well this year given the circumstances.

No dog in this fight brother.

I'm much more concerned with Bones Jones right now, just killing time.

I wasn't disagreeing, just reemphasizing your point.

 

[GoSU96]

As far as I can tell, this is the final word on Marrone (from Mehta's article): “He is the definition of average,” said a Buffalo source.

He might have been a very good position coach but everything considered he was nothing more than an average head coach with SU and an unpleasant, vindictive and even disrespectful one at that, anointed by some as a kind of miracle worker because any competent coach after the Robinson disaster would have appeared to be remarkable in comparison.

If you think he did an just an average job here, you have no idea what you are talking about.

 

[Chip]

When you change corporate culture (or attempt to), year one is rarely a rocket up results wise. It's foundation changing. Strong success happens more often in college (see Florida post Zook) than in the bigs (Harbaugh is a rarity). I laugh at Buffalo fans as if they think they have access to great coaches. Levy was the Boeheim of the franchise. That's long over and Marrone was likely the best coach since. He did opt out in his own arrogant way, but seems like most Jills fans are happy about that. Point to stupid statistics galore, but it just seems funny.

Bills should be able to get any coach they want. They have the money. It's an NFL job. They are like gold. I mean, they won't be stealing Belichick away, but coach hopping is rare in the NFL for anyone. Just need to pick the right guy. Marrone was ok, but they can equal or better it. 6 wins to 9 wins (thanks scheduling Gods for Pats at the end) is good work but can be done by plenty of others. Others who are accessible. They have the cash.

 

[Millhouse]

Jeremy White. Definition of a tool.

Ok

 

[Millhouse]

If HCSS doesn't work out , would you want Syracuse to go after a real established name coach OR another newbie. If you want the real coach , you will have to bow down and cater to him.

Your only dilemma is which way to face when you bow

 

[Chip]

If you think he did an just an average job here, you have no idea what you are talking about.

He was way better than average at SU. Even if that GRob's player topic comes up, he still developed them. As an SU fan, I found his departure devastating. As a Bills fan, I find his departure annoying but opportunistic (if they don't screw it up).

 

[GoSU96]

Umm, no I just think you have to take an anonymous source for a hit piece article with a big grain of salt. The source could be anyone with an axe to grind and an agenda-especially in an historically dysfunctional organization like the Bills.

Here's an actual piece of journalism from a well respected writer in the NYDN. Not one sided, and contains actual reporting.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...re-marrone-big-contrast-rex-article-1.2064619

“What that guy did at Syracuse, what he did at Buffalo, don’t minimize it,” the former GM said. “Syracuse is a lousy job. The guy won and he won with his kids. In Buffalo, he signed Kyle Orton at the beginning of the season and that never works. He made it work. I just look at what he’s done from the sidelines — 80% of head coaches fail at their job because of their inability to hire opposite their expertise. That’s a fact. Marrone comes in and hires Mike Pettine. That was a helluva hire. Then he gets Jim Schwartz, a helluva hire. He gets it. He knows how to build a program.”

What about his personality?

“For whatever reason, he’s not an easy guy to be around. He’s not fun-loving,” he said. “He’s totally the opposite of Rex the way he relates to players. But players respect him. He’s very bright. He’s smart about football. He knows the game. He certainly knows coaches. He and the administrative staff in Buffalo butted heads. He’s not an easy guy to deal with. He’s got Parcells in him that way. But there can’t be a better candidate. Not on paper.”

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Regarding Marrone’s awkward departure from Buffalo, the GM said he did the right thing with no QB, front office friction and a new owner who will likely have waited a year to evaluate him before deciding whether to keep him.

“He does what a very smart person does,” he said. “When Rome is burning, he doesn’t pretend it’s a camp fire.”

 

[Scooch]

Bills should be able to get any coach they want. They have the money. It's an NFL job. They are like gold. I mean, they won't be stealing Belichick away, but coach hopping is rare in the NFL for anyone. Just need to pick the right guy. Marrone was ok, but they can equal or better it. 6 wins to 9 wins (thanks scheduling Gods for Pats at the end) is good work but can be done by plenty of others. Others who are accessible. They have the cash.

Yeah, I really don't understand this notion that the Bills won't ever be able to lure a better coach than Marrone to upstate NY. All it takes is money and a competent front office. They have the former now, and the latter is up to ownership.

NFL is the polar opposite of college in that regard, everyone has a roughly equal shot at being good given the salary cap, gobs of TV money, non guaranteed contracts, and deep pocketed owners. Buffalo isn't Syracuse, is what I'm saying.

Marrone is a good coach, not a great coach. It's not that difficult to tell the difference honestly. Good coaches have won titles, so it's not a glass ceiling.

He does seem like a jerk, though. Again, not a glass ceiling in this profession of extreme paranoia and narcissism.

 

[baggerbob]

If you think he did an just an average job here, you have no idea what you are talking about.

His big east records were 1-6, 4-3, 1-6, and after West Virginia left , and replaced by temple 5-2. Doug was an O K coach not great, the biggest problem with Doug is both times as a Head Coach he bailed before finishing the job. All the stuff about who likes who is irrelevant, wherever he goes next, he needs to show he has the ability to finish what he starts.

 

[RoofBeam]

What kind of job do you think Addazio would have done, for example? Opportunity cost.

He was way better than average at SU. Even if that GRob's player topic comes up, he still developed them. As an SU fan, I found his departure devastating. As a Bills fan, I find his departure annoying but opportunistic (if they don't screw it up).

 

[OttoinGrotto]

let him go to the Jets. The NY media will love him.

I mean, would he even make it through a training camp? Anything and everything is in play.

I am so hoping this happens.

 

[djorange1989]

Grob was a nice guy , should have kept him .

Really??! That's your response? Again, I liked Doug in general and I am grateful for him cleaning up GROBs mess but it goes way beyond nice guy or not nice guy. Doug could become the modern version of Billy Martin: bring him in to clean up a mess but watch him self destruct after a couple of years.

 

[CousCuse]

What kind of job do you think Addazio would have done, for example? Opportunity cost.

BC had talent on their team , like a Heisman trophy level running back.

 

[RoofBeam]

No question Addazio inherited better talent that Marrone his first year on the job. What do you think of the job he did this year? What do you think about his recruiting? Take a close look, a very close look. It might make you wish Rob Konrad was the AD at SU.

BC had talent on their team , like a Heisman trophy level running back.

 

[djorange1989]

His big east records were 1-6, 4-3, 1-6, and after West Virginia left , and replaced by temple 5-2. Doug was an O K coach not great, the biggest problem with Doug is both times as a Head Coach he bailed before finishing the job. All the stuff about who likes who is irrelevant, wherever he goes next, he needs to show he has the ability to finish what he starts.

I totally agree. You can't be a great coach until you finish the job successfully. I truly believe the guy is unhappy and too thin skinned to take the heat that comes with bigtime football(sorta bigtime in the case of SU). As a Jets fan and Chicago resident I hope that he can change that if he goes to the Jets or Bears. Not betting on it however

 

[Bayside44]

Here's an actual piece of journalism from a well respected writer in the NYDN. Not one sided, and contains actual reporting.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/f...re-marrone-big-contrast-rex-article-1.2064619

“What that guy did at Syracuse, what he did at Buffalo, don’t minimize it,” the former GM said. “Syracuse is a lousy job. The guy won and he won with his kids. In Buffalo, he signed Kyle Orton at the beginning of the season and that never works. He made it work. I just look at what he’s done from the sidelines — 80% of head coaches fail at their job because of their inability to hire opposite their expertise. That’s a fact. Marrone comes in and hires Mike Pettine. That was a helluva hire. Then he gets Jim Schwartz, a helluva hire. He gets it. He knows how to build a program.”

What about his personality?

“For whatever reason, he’s not an easy guy to be around. He’s not fun-loving,” he said. “He’s totally the opposite of Rex the way he relates to players. But players respect him. He’s very bright. He’s smart about football. He knows the game. He certainly knows coaches. He and the administrative staff in Buffalo butted heads. He’s not an easy guy to deal with. He’s got Parcells in him that way. But there can’t be a better candidate. Not on paper.”

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Regarding Marrone’s awkward departure from Buffalo, the GM said he did the right thing with no QB, front office friction and a new owner who will likely have waited a year to evaluate him before deciding whether to keep him.

“He does what a very smart person does,” he said. “When Rome is burning, he doesn’t pretend it’s a camp fire.”

I really don't care, but an un-named guy says Marrone won with his kids. If the most important guy - the QB - wasn't his kid, then...

For his sanity he should go to Atlanta. For board hit the JETS is the place to be.

 

[GoSU96]

I really don't care, but an un-named guy says Marrone won with his kids. If the most important guy - the QB - wasn't his kid, then...

For his sanity he should go to Atlanta. For board hit the JETS is the place to be.

4 starters out of 22, two of which were in his first class.

7 out of 44 on the two deep.

That's it. The VAST preponderance were "his kids".

One QB is not as or more important than the rest of the team.

 

[djorange1989]

I really don't care, but an un-named guy says Marrone won with his kids. If the most important guy - the QB - wasn't his kid, then...

For his sanity he should go to Atlanta. For board hit the JETS is the place to be.

The unnamed guy was right. Syracuse is a lousy job

 

[orangenirvana]

Just curious, what "facts" are the pro-Marrone crowd ignoring? If I've missed something I'd like you to help educate me. Please be specific-

I posted stats a few pages ago comparing the Bills offense under Gailey and under Marrone and the fall in production is glaring.

Not one of you Douggernaut Fanclub Members addressed it.

 

[orangenirvana]

I couldn't care less if Marrone is a jerk. In fact, it was one of the things I liked about him. It was kind of refreshing after nice guys like Jauron and Gailey.

My problem with him was his offense sucked.

And that's the issue. Belichick can be a and his fans will still love him. But when you're a to people and you aren't better than average, then you're just a .

 

[ForCuseSake]

And yet he was able to get along with Dave Rahme, the nicest guy in the world.

I wholeheartedly agree with your opinion of Dave Rahme.

As far as Doug Marrone...I firmly believe that if one finds themselves surrounded by aholes or morons then perhaps they're the ahole or moron.

I couldn't care less about Marrone; I don't root for the Bills. But if a pattern takes shape over a 6 year stretch in a career then it can't be everybody else is plum loco while Doug is the only sane, stand up guy in the bunch.

 

[Moontan]

For his sanity he should go to Atlanta.

I'm sure he'd love the weekly one-on-one meetings with similarly tempered owner. Not to mention the game-ending sideline visits. The training facilities are nice, however... and he'd get to re-acquaint himself with Marquis Spruill (and possibly Jerome Smith).

 

[Crusty]

Lupica: Rich Kotite comes to mind when thinking of Marrone

 

[Bayside44]

4 starters out of 22, two of which were in his first class.

7 out of 44 on the two deep.

That's it. The VAST preponderance were "his kids".

One QB is not as or more important than the rest of the team.

In year 4 it should've been. Except the guy who had the football for every play.

We'll never know how he recruited that position.

Moving back to the NFC now, you guys have at it.

 

[Crusty]

Taking a cue from Roman Maroni, Doug Marrone has this to say to his detractors:

I would like to direct this to the distinguished members of the panel: You lousy cork-soakers. You have violated my farging rights. Dis somanumbatching country was founded so that the liberties of common patriotic citizens like me could not be taken away by a bunch of fargin iceholes... like yourselves.