Marrone

[Chip]

You trying to tell me I can't eat a paper clip?

Am I too late?

 

[Statesman1]

Now schefter is saying marrone's discontent started over watkins trade. Which is awkward for his fan club who thought it must've been a great pick. Right, go?

Actually at the time I thought it was a steep price to pay, especially for a WR, when my GMEN picked up Odell without giving up next year's #1. That's the kind of move you make for a franchise qb imo. But given the ownership change the pressure to win this past year (along with a secret opt-out clause) became paramount. RW passing away changed everything imo.

 

[Statesman1]

You mean the impossible to work with control freak, who hires and then delegates well, was a good solider and didn't throw his GM under the bus either on the record or through "unnamed sources".

I still don't have an issue with, but I'm no geeky draftnik. They reached to try to get to the playoffs, and it almost worked. Whaley made some good moves.

Hypothetical, if Marrone's problem, and the unnamed sources are the old guard that have been a huge part of the Bills incompetence, is Marrone trying the wrestle control away from those guys a good thing or bad thing? If those guys are the ones bad mouthing him, should anyone give a ***, and should he get credit for his enemies?

That's a very interesting point. There's a reason the Bills occupy their position on the pecking order of the NFL and it's not because they are a well-run organization.

 

[Millhouse]

Actually at the time I thought it was a steep price to pay, especially for a WR, when my GMEN picked up Odell without giving up next year's #1. That's the kind of move you make for a franchise qb imo. But given the ownership change the pressure to win this past year (along with a secret opt-out clause) became paramount. RW passing away changed everything imo.

We agree there. Brandon called him a generational talent which is ridiculous no matter how good watkins is.

 

[Statesman1]

Huh? I need bread crumbs to follow this post. You said he cannot be considered a good coach until he wins a conference championship, right? Then you went on to state that he actually WON a conference championship his last year here. So using your logic, he actually is a good coach?

I think most posters on this board vastly underestimate the resurrection job he did at Syracuse University. We were literally the worst BCS team in the nation prior to his arrival, losing to the likes of Akron at home. His last year we took down Mizzou, at Mizzou, as team that has played in the last 2 SEC championships games.

This isn't 1987 anymore folks and the Dome isn't a shiny new toy.

Bread crumbs I love it! See what he did there was make a reference to Hanzel & Gretel getting lost...oh never mind I'm still chuckling over the whole conference champ circular logic. Pure Genius!

 

[GoSU96]

Good soldier who gets in screaming matches at training camp and distanced himself from Whaley and Manuel in pretty strong terms

He should be a gm, he'd probably be a good one

You didn't answer the question.

 

[Millhouse]

I think the writer got it wrong. Marrone is listed as the center of the offensive line nicknamed the "Nasty Boyz". The 1991 All-World League Team First Team Offense: WR/TE: Jon Horton, London Monarchs Gene Taylor, Barcelona Dragons Byron Williams, Orlando Thunder T: Mike Withycombe, Orlando Thunder Steve Gabbard, London Monarchs G: Garry Frank, Frankfurt Galaxy Paul Berardelli, London Monarchs C: Doug Marrone, London Monarchs QB: Stan Gelbaugh, London Monarchs RB: Ricky Blake, San Antonio Riders Tony Baker, Frankfurt Galaxy First Team Defense DE: Bruce Clark, Barcelona Dragons Mark Mraz, Frankfurt Galaxy NT: Roy Hart, London Monarchs OLB: Danny Lockett, London Monarchs Tracy Simien, Montreal Machine ILB: John Brantley, Birmingham Fire Tim Walton, San Antonio Riders CB: Anthony Parker, NY/NJ Knights Corris Ervin, London Monarchs SS: Greg Coauette, Sacramento Surge FS: John Miller, Birmingham Fire First Team Specialists P: Chris Mohr, Montreal Machine K: Phil Alexander, London Monarchs ST (PR): Eroll Tucker, Orlando Thunder Operation Discocery: Phil Alexander, London Monarchs

I thought he was a punt returner scatback

 

[Statesman1]

Bills should be able to get any coach they want. They have the money. It's an NFL job. They are like gold. I mean, they won't be stealing Belichick away, but coach hopping is rare in the NFL for anyone. Just need to pick the right guy. Marrone was ok, but they can equal or better it. 6 wins to 9 wins (thanks scheduling Gods for Pats at the end) is good work but can be done by plenty of others. Others who are accessible. They have the cash.

No doubt they can hire a good coach, but in the NFL it's all relative. There are lots of good coaches in this league, it's the top of the profession. The Bills need to hire a coach that is relatively better than the other teams out there and they have several factors not in their favor: 1) No qb 2) No 1st rounder to draft one 3) Public Front office backbiting/power struggle 4) The fact that Buffalo is not a marquis franchise 5) Buffalo has proven to be a HC graveyard since Levy left 6) Assistants already under contract (will new HC get to pick his own staff?) Not saying the Bills can't hit on one and they have pieces especially on D but they have a tall order in front of them and recent history is not on their side.

 

[wfschrec]

I thought he was a punt returner scatback

Could've been a Punter ... just sayin.

 

[Millhouse]

You didn't answer the question.

Sorry. Yes it would've been a good thing to get rid of the people that hired him. I wanted a clean slate I just didn't expect it to start so fast

My beef with Marrone isn't over Whaley and Brandon, who I think are clowns. I thought Marrone was dumb well before he left SU , can't be accused of sour grapes I thought this housecleaning would take more time.

Would be funny to me if Marrone lost his mind over losing two first rounds to replace Manuel - I don't disagree with the guy about everything.

If he's frustrated about everyone keying on orton, I agree there too. He probably blames Whaley for the terrible line but there were too many guys that used to be better to let Marrone off the hook entirely

 

[GoSU96]

Sorry. Yes it would've been a good thing to get rid of the people that hired him. I wanted a clean slate I just didn't expect it to start so fast

My beef with Marrone isn't over Whaley and Brandon, who I think are clowns. I thought Marrone was dumb well before he left SU , can't be accused of sour grapes I thought this housecleaning would take more time.

Would be funny to me if Marrone lost his mind over losing two first rounds to replace Manuel - I don't disagree with the guy about everything.

If he's frustrated about everyone keying on orton, I agree there too. He probably blames Whaley for the terrible line but there were too many guys that used to be better to let Marrone off the hook entirely

You also didn't think the offense was developing and progressing at SU. You couldn't have been more wrong about that.

Marrone was also one of the less conservative coaches on 4th and short and from their 40 in in last season. So there in another thing you've been wrong about.

 

[Millhouse]

You also didn't think the offense was developing and progressing at SU. You couldn't have been more wrong about that. Marrone was also one of the less conservative coaches on 4th and short and from their 40 in in last season. So there in another thing you've been wrong about.

I would've been more wrong if they had cracked the top 54 in scoring. Punting from the 32 has that effect. Had a terrible punt against minn too. There were plenty of dumb ones that year. He gave up way more in other years though. 2011 and 13

 

[orangenirvana]

I was fine with Manuel pick but only because I thought they could try again but the watkins pick screwed that up.

I think Marrone is a dope but I don't blame him for thinking Whaley stinks. Because Whaley does stink

I could've told him that Brandon and Whaley stink, he should've asked me

I think Whaley could be good if he grew some nuts. He seems to lack confidence.

Once Whaley finally feels comfortable in his position and starts telling Brandon to go himself I think we'll have something there.

 

[orangenirvana]

We agree there. Brandon called him a generational talent which is ridiculous no matter how good watkins is.

And in the same press conference when asked if there's a big difference between Watkins and the next best wide receiver, Doug Whaley said "no, not really".

It was obviously Brandon's bright idea to trade up. This guy can't leave OBD soon enough.

 

[GoSU96]

I would've been more wrong if they had cracked the top 54 in scoring. Punting from the 32 has that effect. Had a terrible punt against minn too. There were plenty of dumb ones that year. He gave up way more in other years though. 2011 and 13

Here's a news flash ace, there's far, far, far, far, far, far more to doing the job than not punting when YOU disagree. The only people who are obsessed about punting are nerd stat geeks who have no never coached a game in their lives.

So let's see, yards are the most important thing, except when they aren't, win are the most important thing, except when they aren't, and points ranking is the most important thing, expect when it isn't.

 

[Millhouse]

Here's a news flash ace, there's far, far, far, far, far, far more to doing the job than not punting when YOU disagree. The only people who are obsessed about punting are nerd stat geeks who have no never coached a game in their lives. So let's see, yards are the most important thing, except when they aren't, win are the most important thing, except when they aren't, and points ranking is the most important thing, expect when it isn't.

Ace!

Tomlin and harbaugh were geeks yesterday

Yards and points are generally related. At syracuse they aren't because our coaches are always so stupid

 

[Cheriehoop]

Rich Kotite for Jets fans is like Grob for Orange fans. If Syracuse was going to hire a coach who had a RESEMBLENCE to Grob and a media guy said he was a young Grob , you think that would be fair.

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Twins? Hmm they do have ears, eyes and mouths. Not to even mention that Kotite is bald.

 

[CIL]

Ace!

Tomlin and harbaugh were geeks yesterday

Yards and points are generally related. At syracuse they aren't because our coaches are always so stupid

Come on Milly, this post ridiculous. We already discussed this -- that 2012 SU offense was rated 18th by football outsiders advanced offensive metrics, something you would love. That offenses struggled to score because it lacked explosive playmakers and was even worse with regards to the return game in specials. We ranked 83rd in explosive drives and were near dead last in punt and kick returns. That data is probably more indicative that conclusion than your Syracuse football coaches are stupid thesis.

 

[rrlbees]

Twins? Hmm they do have ears, eyes and mouths.

Those pictures shout racism to me.

Might be the strangest logic I've ever read here.

 

[SUFan44]

No doubt they can hire a good coach, but in the NFL it's all relative. There are lots of good coaches in this league, it's the top of the profession. The Bills need to hire a coach that is relatively better than the other teams out there and they have several factors not in their favor: 1) No qb 2) No 1st rounder to draft one 3) Public Front office backbiting/power struggle 4) The fact that Buffalo is not a marquis franchise 5) Buffalo has proven to be a HC graveyard since Levy left 6) Assistants already under contract (will new HC get to pick his own staff?) Not saying the Bills can't hit on one and they have pieces especially on D but they have a tall order in front of them and recent history is not on their side.

This is a stupid post. Buffalo is one of 32 of the best jobs in the football world. You do understand that, right? They are ALL top-notch jobs. And anyone that doesn't have one of them would die to have one.

Buffalo has proven to be a graveyard because the owner had no money in a small market and they hired a bunch of fools. The owner has money now.

Assistants already under contract? Marrone is going to take half that staff with him and the new coach will get to hire his own staff. There has never been an instance where a head coach was hired and didn't have control over who he works with.

You significantly downplay what they do have - a Top 5 D, 2-3 WRs who are quality options. The ONLY parts they are missing are QB and OL - which strangely enough wasn't bad before Saint Marrone took over.

 

[GoSU96]

Ace!

Tomlin and harbaugh were geeks yesterday

Yards and points are generally related. At syracuse they aren't because our coaches are always so stupid

What were the situations? Because over the year Marrone and Harbaugh look to have the same approach and Tomlin is more conservative.

You are so fixated with that stuff and yet you don't know your characterization of the guy is FOS.

 

[GoSU96]

This is a stupid post. Buffalo is one of 32 of the best jobs in the football world. You do understand that, right? They are ALL top-notch jobs. And anyone that doesn't have one of them would die to have one.

Buffalo has proven to be a graveyard because the owner had no money in a small market and they hired a bunch of fools. The owner has money now.

Assistants already under contract? Marrone is going to take half that staff with him and the new coach will get to hire his own staff. There has never been an instance where a head coach was hired and didn't have control over who he works with.

You significantly downplay what they do have - a Top 5 D, 2-3 WRs who are quality options. The ONLY parts they are missing are QB and OL - which strangely enough wasn't bad before Saint Marrone took over.

TE's ends are pretty average and the running backs were nearly as good as hoped going in. Spiller was out most of the year, Jackson is in his 80th year, and Dixon and Brown are okay.

Orton as a player was fine, the problem was the lack of camp time.

As for the OL, yeah, all the evidence points to him being clueless there.

 

[Statesman1]

This is a stupid post. Buffalo is one of 32 of the best jobs in the football world. You do understand that, right? They are ALL top-notch jobs. And anyone that doesn't have one of them would die to have one.

Buffalo has proven to be a graveyard because the owner had no money in a small market and they hired a bunch of fools. The owner has money now.

Assistants already under contract? Marrone is going to take half that staff with him and the new coach will get to hire his own staff. There has never been an instance where a head coach was hired and didn't have control over who he works with.

You significantly downplay what they do have - a Top 5 D, 2-3 WRs who are quality options. The ONLY parts they are missing are QB and OL - which strangely enough wasn't bad before Saint Marrone took over.

Stupid? What do you work for the Bills front office or something? Why is name calling necessary? Yes, Buffalo is one of the top 32 NFL jobs, but closer to 32 than 1, no? As I said its all a matter of perspective because all NFL teams need to outperform their 31 peers, and Buffalo has several built in disadvantages which I listed. The better candidates will gravitate to better franchises, in particular the ones that have a qb. Keep dreaming that Buffalo is a desirable top tier, heck even top half of the league franchise. You are delusional.

 

[wfschrec]

Stupid? What do you work for the Bills front office or something? Why is name calling necessary? Yes, Buffalo is one of the top 32 NFL jobs, but closer to 32 than 1, no? As I said its all a matter of perspective because all NFL teams need to outperform their 31 peers, and Buffalo has several built in disadvantages which I listed. The better candidates will gravitate to better franchises, in particular the ones that have a qb. Keep dreaming that Buffalo is a desirable top tier, heck even top half of the league franchise. You are delusional.

At least he is attempting to avoid insulting an entire fan base ... something you failed to do earlier.

 

[Statesman1]

At least he is attempting to avoid insulting an entire fan base ... something you failed to do earlier.

Yeah but at least I was accurate. Page # 20 of Bills hysteria over being jilted by a coach they wanted to get rid of is all the evidence of that I need. Throw in the anonymous leaks by the front office and it's even more absurd. Bills Fan is an emotional wreck-