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[wfschrec]

Wow that's a lot of typing to call me an A$$hole at the very end. You are you calling me an A$$hole right? No need to be subtle I can take it but it does kind of reinforce the whole Bills fan takes everything personally theme I was going with. Maybe not every last one, but you get the drift. Yeah, I've made generalizations but all in good fun, and I'd suggest there's a kernel of truth in there with which to base my good natured ribbing on- get the point? As for Marrone, my whole thesis has been 1) appreciate the resurrection St. Doug did at SU, and 2) He's been pretty decent at Buffalo, which is more than that franchise has had lately. Apparently that is controversial-

Actually what I am saying is the following ... if you accuse a large group of people of being one thing and you are the common bane of the problem maybe you should do some self inspection. As for your point there is such a thing as good natured ribbing and then there is shooting your mouth off, you are doing the latter. And again as I stated he did a good job but the talk of sainthood is for the birds and there could be much more viable alternatives that further the franchise.

 

[Chip]

Should the bills have kept continuity with jauron or gailey?

Ralph Wilson

 

[Millhouse]

Perhaps crushed was the wrong word but most of them were upset he chose to opt out. I think u made some valid points but I would still prefer Marrone had stayed. At this point I hope Schwartz stays and we continue to do what seems to be so far at least a very thorough search.

I'm ok with Schwartz. You never know what new head coach will decide to do that breaks the defense. At least they got that right.

 

[wfschrec]

I'm ok with Schwartz. You never know what new head coach will decide to do that breaks the defense. At least they got that right.

Half of Schwartz's problems stemmed from the fact that he graduated from Georgetown ... if you can wash that stink off you've got something. It didn't help his first couple seasons in Detroit he was left with whatever the hell Matt Millen was drafting, I think Mayhew is doing a better job.

 

[Millhouse]

Come on Milly, this post ridiculous. We already discussed this -- that 2012 SU offense was rated 18th by football outsiders advanced offensive metrics, something you would love. That offenses struggled to score because it lacked explosive playmakers and was even worse with regards to the return game in specials. We ranked 83rd in explosive drives and were near dead last in punt and kick returns. That data is probably more indicative that conclusion than your Syracuse football coaches are stupid thesis.

That metric doesn't include stupid punts, I'm sure. Only counts the plays that happen. I'll dig more when I'm on a PC

 

[Millhouse]

You mean the impossible to work with control freak, who hires and then delegates well, was a good solider and didn't throw his GM under the bus either on the record or through "unnamed sources". I still don't have an issue with, but I'm no geeky draftnik. They reached to try to get to the playoffs, and it almost worked. Whaley made some good moves. Hypothetical, if Marrone's problem, and the unnamed sources are the old guard that have been a huge part of the Bills incompetence, is Marrone trying the wrestle control away from those guys a good thing or bad thing? If those guys are the ones bad mouthing him, should anyone give a ***, and should he get credit for his enemies?

You are back pedaling now. Everytime watkins caught a pass you were yapping away at how dumb I was for not liking the trade. Had you known your hero didn't like the trade, you would've kept your mouth shut

 

[Millhouse]

Half of Schwartz's problems stemmed from the fact that he graduated from Georgetown ... if you can wash that stink off you've got something. It didn't help his first couple seasons in Detroit he was left with whatever the hell Matt Millen was drafting, I think Mayhew is doing a better job.

Every time I get comfortable with Schwartz I remember the handshake and him telling bills players to carry him off the field after the lions game. Then I start tugging my collar a little

 

[Statesman1]

Actually what I am saying is the following ... if you accuse a large group of people of being one thing and you are the common bane of the problem maybe you should do some self inspection. As for your point there is such a thing as good natured ribbing and then there is shooting your mouth off, you are doing the latter. And again as I stated he did a good job but the talk of sainthood is for the birds and there could be much more viable alternatives that further the franchise.

Well thank you for disproving my point about Bills Fans being overly sensitive about their team, you've certainly demonstrated that and I take back everything I said about Bills Fan suffering from a persecution complex and feeling of inadequacy regarding their team. Clearly that's inaccurate.

 

[wfschrec]

Every time I get comfortable with Schwartz I remember the handshake and him telling bills players to carry him off the field after the lions game. Then I start tugging my collar a little

I know ... honestly I'd love to see them take a flyer on a guy like Dantonio. I know that he wouldn't leave MSU but defensive minded, solid run game and solid offense and he isn't nearly as conservative and will gamble at times. I think he would be a solid fit in a lunch pail, blue collar city like Buffalo.

 

[wfschrec]

Well thank you for disproving my point about Bills Fans being overly sensitive about their team, you've certainly demonstrated that and I take back everything I said about Bills Fan suffering from a persecution complex and feeling of inadequacy regarding their team. Clearly that's inaccurate.

You've demonstrated that you like to provoke ... so be it. I've clearly demonstrated my stance on Marrone without being bitter about it ... or defending him as if my life depended on it. Which is something I find bizarre, there are people here that will defend him till they die. I guess if you are into that kind of thing its alright but I wish Marrone success and hope the Bills find something better. Conceptually not hard to grasp.

 

[Millhouse]

Agree on Polian, I think it's a blessing on disguise. Love what he did for Buffalo back in the day but he's 71 and the Bills need someone younger.

He wanted to be a one man board of directors. Lots of value of having old smart people weighing in here and there while younger people do the actual work

 

[wfschrec]

He wanted to be a one man board of directors. Lots of value of having old smart people weighing in here and there while younger people do the actual work

The Buffalo front office has been a disaster for 15 years, I agree with Marrone on this but I am always skeptical about handing over all the keys to just one guy. It takes a Jimmy Johnson type to pull it all off and I don't think Marrone is that guy, at the very least he hasn't demonstrated enough at any level to command that type of pull either.

 

[orangenirvana]

Yeah but at least I was accurate. Page # 20 of Bills hysteria over being jilted by a coach they wanted to get rid of is all the evidence of that I need. Throw in the anonymous leaks by the front office and it's even more absurd. Bills Fan is an emotional wreck-

You are by far the most emotional person in this thread. And it's not close.

 

[shandeezy7]

Huh? I need bread crumbs to follow this post. You said he cannot be considered a good coach until he wins a conference championship, right? Then you went on to state that he actually WON a conference championship his last year here. So using your logic, he actually is a good coach?

I think most posters on this board vastly underestimate the resurrection job he did at Syracuse University. We were literally the worst BCS team in the nation prior to his arrival, losing to the likes of Akron at home. His last year we took down Mizzou, at Mizzou, as team that has played in the last 2 SEC championships games.

This isn't 1987 anymore folks and the Dome isn't a shiny new toy.

The same Mizzou team who didn't have their best player, a current stud NFL defensive lineman, available for that game? The same Mizzou team who went 5-7 and didn't qualify for a bowl game? What a feather in St. Doug's cap!!!

 

[GoSU96]

You are back pedaling now. Everytime watkins caught a pass you were yapping away at how dumb I was for not liking the trade. Had you known your hero didn't like the trade, you would've kept your mouth shut

Back peddling? I just did a search, 9 posts with his name in it since 9/1. I don't think that is yapping.

Yapping is Punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt, punt......

Like I said, I'm not a draftnik, and not hung up on the whole value thing. From what I know he graded out incredibly high and somebody over there thought it was worth the cost.

 

[wfschrec]

The same Mizzou team who didn't have their best player, a current stud NFL defensive lineman, available for that game? The same Mizzou team who went 5-7 and didn't qualify for a bowl game? What a feather in St. Doug's cap!!!

I will say this ... that same Mizzou team ended up playing in the SEC championship game the following season. Although they were 5-7 they were on the cusp of being very very good ... that NFL defensive linemen regardless.

 

[shandeezy7]

I will say this ... that same Mizzou team ended up playing in the SEC championship game the following season. Although they were 5-7 they were on the cusp of being very very good ... that NFL defensive linemen regardless.

It obviously was not the same team though, per se, since they went from 5-7 to 12-2. I'd say they were vastly improved in one way or another the following season.

 

[wfschrec]

It obviously was not the same team though, per se, since they went from 5-7 to 12-2. I'd say they were vastly improved in one way or another the following season.

Much of the same roster .. including QB ... sometimes things just click.

 

[shandeezy7]

Much of the same roster .. including QB ... sometimes things just click.

Yeah but it wasn't clicking in the season we played them. Was it an impressive win for us? Yes. Was I pumped as hell to get it? Yes. Is it something that I'm gonna point to 3 years later and say that it was a signature win for St. Doug? I'm not so sure about that.

 

[wfschrec]

Yeah but it wasn't clicking in the season we played them. Was it an impressive win for us? Yes. Was I pumped as hell to get it? Yes. Is it something that I'm gonna point to 3 years later and say that it was a signature win for St. Doug? I'm not so sure about that.

By no means am I calling it a signature win so to speak but I think it was a good win because Franklin was starting to get healthy again which is why they took off in 2013. What that win really did was convince a lot of guys on the roster they could compete with SEC caliber talent ... that level of confidence had been lacking in the program since the early 90s.

 

[shandeezy7]

By no means am I calling it a signature win so to speak but I think it was a good win because Franklin was starting to get healthy again which is why they took off in 2013. What that win really did was convince a lot of guys on the roster they could compete with SEC caliber talent ... that level of confidence had been lacking in the program since the early 90s.

And then St. Doug bailed on all those guys with their new-found confidence right after the season ended. So kudos to him I suppose.

 

[Statesman1]

You are by far the most emotional person in this thread. And it's not close.

How so? Please provide a specific example of me being "emotional".

 

[wfschrec]

And then St. Doug bailed on all those guys with their new-found confidence right after the season ended. So kudos to him I suppose.

Not sure how that is relevant with respect to what the win means to the program or the athletes. What he did or didn't do afterwards is irrelevant. You beat a team in their house and the following year said team goes on to win the SEC east and you don't think the guys on the squad didn't pay attention to that?

You need to remove your emotion when thinking about this, whether or not Doug is a saint people can argue till the cows come home I really don't care. It was a good win (landmark is a true stretch) and then he left those are the only facts that matter. Please don't sound like statesman, just stick to the facts at hand, it was a pretty solid win over a rising program.

 

[orangenirvana]

How so? Please provide a specific example of me being "emotional".

You've contributed to nearly half of the posts in this thread, all basically saying the same thing. It shouldn't take much effort for you to take a look at those.

 

[Millhouse]

The Buffalo front office has been a disaster for 15 years, I agree with Marrone on this but I am always skeptical about handing over all the keys to just one guy. It takes a Jimmy Johnson type to pull it all off and I don't think Marrone is that guy, at the very least he hasn't demonstrated enough at any level to command that type of pull either.

different sport but the only place where scotty bowman didn't win a hundred Cups was at buffalo where they made him the GM

lots of coaches could be good GMs but not at the same time.

putting myself in marrone's shoes here - you know you have the 4 million dollar out, you know how sick ralph wilson is before the season, you know that when he dies, you're going to cash in. you need to have a good enough year to get a job somewhere else, future consequences be damned. watkins did help them this year. vikings and lions games come to mind. it wasn't worth all the picks but if you're just looking to cash in 4 million and get another job, that pick helps quite a bit

i'm not saying marrone is lying - it's possible that russ brandon is so stupid that he thinks this leak makes marrone look bad even though it doesn't

but if i were looking to cash in and move on, i would like the watkins trade but I would pretend like I was against it to appeal to my next employer who might be worried that I supported such a terrible pick