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Millhouse said:
football is the only business where anyone actually listens to consultants. every other business, it's just a way to do something unpopular you wanted to do anyway without taking the blame.
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woody has a meeting with the bob's...

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GoSU96 said:
Based on the facts, how was either a bad decision? Both resulted in significantly tilting the win percentage back in their favor based on your advanced stats model.

You can't have it both ways. I pointed out that in wider data set Marrone was right in line, if not less conservative, than the rest of the NFL.

You want then you want to indict the guy based on a very narrow scenario and data set and when the facts and your methodology show that he made the right decision, which was playing the game in front of him instead of getting out the slide rule, you ignore it and bring up a single play that doesn't have anything to do with the scenario you are railing about.

Tresman approached this stuff the way you and the WGR geeks want to happen and it was a disaster.
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wider data sets that include teams with big leads doesn't apply to teams that are losing

even you're sharp enough to know that if you punt on 4th and 1 when you're losing on the last play of the game (very narrow scenario) and justify it by looking at a wide data set that includes teams that are ahead, you might be a fool

trailing in the 4th with a 4th and 1 is not that narrow a scenario. 81 examples during marrone's tenure. Marrone punts 3 out of 5 times. Everyone else punts 2 out of 76 times.

i'm sorry that 81 is too small a data set for you. maybe we should include teams with big leads to make that number bigger even though it would be completely stupid

What are you talking about trestman for? if i were arguing that marrone should go for it on 4th and 5 from their own 15 yard line in the second quarter, you might have a point. the stuff that marrone is getting slaughtered for is not in line with the rest of the league

game in front of him... down 10 to miami in the 4th punting on the other side of the 50.
 
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GoSU96 said:
Based on the facts, how was either a bad decision? Both resulted in significantly tilting the win percentage back in their favor based on your advanced stats model.

You can't have it both ways. I pointed out that in wider data set Marrone was right in line, if not less conservative, than the rest of the NFL.

You want then you want to indict the guy based on a very narrow scenario and data set and when the facts and your methodology show that he made the right decision, which was playing the game in front of him instead of getting out the slide rule, you ignore it and bring up a single play that doesn't have anything to do with the scenario you are railing about.

Tresman approached this stuff the way you and the WGR geeks want to happen and it was a disaster.
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Narrow? I gave you a 480+ sample of which Marrone went with the option that less than 10% of the entire NFL went with ... I think you need to rethink that, you chose a sample set with complete disregard for situation.
 
Millhouse said:
i would call this ironic if i knew what ironic actually meant (I'm convinced no one does, which might be ironic too, if i knew what ironic was)

With all the dream job stuff, I doubt anyone at Syracuse expected him to leave in 4 years when they hired him. Part of the reason Marrone left Buffalo was because he didn't like the media.

What if the much harsher media in NY put so much heat on the Jets that they opt out of what Marrone might've thought was a sure thing?

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I recall thinking when Doug left Syracuse that if he thought the criticism was tough in CNY, wait till he gets a load of Buffalo and an NFL media and fan base.

Obviously one can multiply Buffalo by 100 when considering the NYC media/fan base.

Criticism goes with the salary - no matter how good a coach you might be.

If he has a weakness, I think that's it - Doug Marrone seems too sensitive to the kind of criticism that all NFL and major college coaches face all the time.

He has to let that go.
 
OrangePA said:
I recall thinking when Doug left Syracuse that if he thought the criticism was tough in CNY, wait till he gets a load of Buffalo and an NFL media and fan base.

Obviously one can multiply Buffalo by 100 when considering the NYC media/fan base.

Criticism goes with the salary - no matter how good a coach you might be.

If he has a weakness, I think that's it - Doug Marrone seems too sensitive to the kind of criticism that all NFL and major college coaches face all the time.

He has to let that go.
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wild guess, someone at home has their ear to the ground letting him know every little thing said about him
 
OrangePA said:
I recall thinking when Doug left Syracuse that if he thought the criticism was tough in CNY, wait till he gets a load of Buffalo and an NFL media and fan base.

Obviously one can multiply Buffalo by 100 when considering the NYC media/fan base.

Criticism goes with the salary - no matter how good a coach you might be.

If he has a weakness, I think that's it - Doug Marrone seems too sensitive to the kind of criticism that all NFL and major college coaches face all the time.

He has to let that go.
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Well, you may have been suckered into thinking this is based on something real "Part of the reason Marrone left Buffalo was because he didn't like the media."

There is no way he left Buffalo because he didn't like the media. He doesn't like the media and we all know that. That is the same in Syracuse, Buffalo or anywhere else he coaches. He's leaving Buffalo for $4M in cash and a better gig. Not hard to understand that.
 
xc84 said:
Well, you may have been suckered into thinking this is based on something real "Part of the reason Marrone left Buffalo was because he didn't like the media."

There is no way he left Buffalo because he didn't like the media. He doesn't like the media and we all know that. That is the same in Syracuse, Buffalo or anywhere else he coaches. He's leaving Buffalo for $4M in cash and a better gig. Not hard to understand that.
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xc84 said:
Well, you may have been suckered into thinking this is based on something real "Part of the reason Marrone left Buffalo was because he didn't like the media." There is no way he left Buffalo because he didn't like the media. He doesn't like the media and we all know that. That is the same in Syracuse, Buffalo or anywhere else he coaches. He's leaving Buffalo for $4M in cash and a better gig. Not hard to understand that.
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You don't know either why he left.
 
Millhouse said:
wild guess, someone at home has their ear to the ground letting him know every little thing said about him
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He had people monitoring this board. He also tried to keep certain people from posting.
 
rrlbees said:
You don't know either why he left.
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I am smart enough to know that Marrone knows that there will be media anywhere he goes and that he won't like them and he knows he won't like them. So, unless you think Doug is a complete idiot (and you may), he would not leave "because of the media" only to have to deal with a new batch of media.
 
xc84 said:
I am smart enough to know that Marrone knows that there will be media anywhere he goes and that he won't like them and he knows he won't like them. So, unless you think Doug is a complete idiot (and you may), he would not leave "because of the media" only to have to deal with a new batch of media.
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I didn't see anyone say he left because of the media.
 
Marrone is going to be the HC of NYJ it is just posturing. Marrone's agent is Jimmy sexton who is one of the best agents in pro football. I don't think Woody Johnson is smart enough to backdown from media pressure he seems like the guy who would be embolden to do what he wants or is advised to do. Charlie Casserly is enamored with Marrone's coaching style for some reason and Woody is listening to him.
I think McDaniels to ATL and Marrone to NYJ are going to get done.
 
xc84 said:
From Millhouse: "Part of the reason Marrone left Buffalo was because he didn't like the media."
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Key word "part".
 
Millhouse said:
http://www.democratandchronicle.com.../05/buffalo-bills-marrone-orton-nfl/21283351/
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I guess the WNY media doesn't like him either! What a whiner though. "Marrone wasn't trying to win games for the franchise, he was trying to win for Doug Marrone so much so he wouldn't even give Manuel the start in a meaningless season finale at New England."
This has some good stuff too including Polian-related.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on...nhappy-when-bills-traded-up-for-sammy-watkins
 
rrlbees said:
Key word "part".
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Yes, I read that and completely understood it (I could be a freakin lawyer). It's still silly.

"And one more thing... I am sick of you mean guys. I am going where no one will ever criticize me again... NYC!"
 
Millhouse said:
wider data sets that include teams with big leads doesn't apply to teams that are losing

even you're sharp enough to know that if you punt on 4th and 1 when you're losing on the last play of the game (very narrow scenario) and justify it by looking at a wide data set that includes teams that are ahead, you might be a fool

trailing in the 4th with a 4th and 1 is not that narrow a scenario. 81 examples during marrone's tenure. Marrone punts 3 out of 5 times. Everyone else punts 2 out of 76 times.

i'm sorry that 81 is too small a data set for you. maybe we should include teams with big leads to make that number bigger even though it would be completely stupid

What are you talking about trestman for? if i were arguing that marrone should go for it on 4th and 5 from their own 15 yard line in the second quarter, you might have a point. the stuff that marrone is getting slaughtered for is not in line with the rest of the league

game in front of him... down 10 to miami in the 4th punting on the other side of the 50.
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Why don't we try apples to apples here instead of muddying the waters.

When you look at -1 to -8 from own 40 to opponents 30, which is analogous, down big or in close is so obviously a different situation I'm surprised you would include them, unless you aren't interested in an honest evaluation and just want to inflate and obfuscate.

4th quarter, 4th and 1, one score game (-1 to -8) between own 40 and opponent 30.

10 plays.

5 on own side of the 50, 4 punts(Cowboys, Jacksonville, Buffalo, Buffalo), Titans went for it down six with 9 left and converted.

Other side of the 50, everyone went for it. Baltimore, Oakland, converted, Dallas (Murray), Seattle (Lynch), TB didn't.
 
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