NBA Thread 2022-23 Season

[Cuse4455]

Easy to question the coach when you lose and I think Ham has done a great job, but this might’ve been one to give Beasley a shot? When Russell is off, he’s off. Lack of shooting is killing us.

8 Pts by the two PGs... Second game in a row they've been non existent

 

[NineOneSeven]

Easy to question the coach when you lose and I think Ham has done a great job, but this might’ve been one to give Beasley a shot? When Russell is off, he’s off. Lack of shooting is killing us.

Russell has been literally terrible.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Considering Jokic had foul trouble and did not have a significant impact on this game and they still won is honestly pretty ridiculous.

I am all in on Denver vs Heat.

 

[Cusefan0307]

The Lakers are going to be ok guys. They found something in the fourth quarter of game 1.

 

[Eric15]

You have to wonder what is going through Tyler Herro’s head right now. I’m sure he’s happy for his guys, but it has to be awkward to see them playing as a well-oiled machine without him.

 

[Knicks411]

You have to wonder what is going through Tyler Herro’s head right now. I’m sure he’s happy for his guys, but it has to be awkward to see them playing as a well-oiled machine without him.

It's always interesting when the meh efficiency meh defending high volume scoring guys miss time and the team doesnt miss a beat or even gets better. It's probably a little too easy to say that stuff (volume scoring) can be a little overrated, but I dont think its necessarily wrong. But also that doesnt really explain how Miami is now a 38% 3 point team.

Something I was thinking about watching Denver go up 3-0 and Murray cook in the first half: Jokic got some heat for lack of playoff success when people were looking for reasons not to give him the MVP again (to be fair, this was more of the case before Denver took the last 6 weeks of the regular season off). Is it worth mentioning that Denver's second best player played 0 (zero) playoff games the last 2 years? Might have played a role!

 

[OttoinGrotto]

It's always interesting when the meh efficiency meh defending high volume scoring guys miss time and the team doesnt miss a beat or even gets better. It's probably a little too easy to say that stuff (volume scoring) can be a little overrated, but I dont think its necessarily wrong. But also that doesnt really explain how Miami is now a 38% 3 point team.

Something I was thinking about watching Denver go up 3-0 and Murray cook in the first half: Jokic got some heat for lack of playoff success when people were looking for reasons not to give him the MVP again (to be fair, this was more of the case before Denver took the last 6 weeks of the regular season off). Is it worth mentioning that Denver's second best player played 0 (zero) playoff games the last 2 years? Might have played a role!

It's dumb logic too, because if you ding Jokic for the playoffs, can you really give Embiid credit for that?

 

[Knicks411]

It's dumb logic too, because if you ding Jokic for the playoffs, can you really give Embiid credit for that?

Yeah it was definitely working backwards from "we cant give Jokic the MVP" and reverse engineering a reason.

And it sucks, because Embiid is awesome, and like I said, the way Denver finished the regular season, Embiid may even have had the better case. And the last 2 years when Jokic won, it isn't like he was miles ahead of Embiid. If he's like 52% to win and Embiid is 48% (removing everyone else for simplicity's sake) then Jokic "should" win but if he wins 3 years in a row when he's just a little more deserving than Embiid it doesnt "feel" fair.

 

[Capt. Tuttle]

Yeah it was definitely working backwards from "we cant give Jokic the MVP" and reverse engineering a reason.

And it sucks, because Embiid is awesome, and like I said, the way Denver finished the regular season, Embiid may even have had the better case. And the last 2 years when Jokic won, it isn't like he was miles ahead of Embiid. If he's like 52% to win and Embiid is 48% (removing everyone else for simplicity's sake) then Jokic "should" win but if he wins 3 years in a row when he's just a little more deserving than Embiid it doesnt "feel" fair.

The reasoning was black and white. That’s it. Look at Mark Jackson’s ballot.

 

[shandeezy7]

Is it worth mentioning that Denver's second best player played 0 (zero) playoff games the last 2 years? Might have played a role!

Exactly this. When talking about Jokic’s playoff success (or lack thereof), how is the fact that Jamal Murray was injured for two straight playoffs not factored in? People get so dumb with their narratives.

 

[OrangeDW]

Yeah it was definitely working backwards from "we cant give Jokic the MVP" and reverse engineering a reason.

And it sucks, because Embiid is awesome, and like I said, the way Denver finished the regular season, Embiid may even have had the better case. And the last 2 years when Jokic won, it isn't like he was miles ahead of Embiid. If he's like 52% to win and Embiid is 48% (removing everyone else for simplicity's sake) then Jokic "should" win but if he wins 3 years in a row when he's just a little more deserving than Embiid it doesnt "feel" fair.

They’ve gone “narrative” and spreading it around forever. In his prime, Shaq was the “most valuable” player almost every year if you look at it from the standpoint of - his team is probably going to win and you know they’re going to win, because he’s on the team.

I remember Barkley didn’t get it in 1990 despite having absolutely absurd numbers, but then they gave him his moment in 1993…even though he was better in 1990.

 

[OrangeDW]

Exactly this. When talking about Jokic’s playoff success (or lack thereof), how is the fact that Jamal Murray was injured for two straight playoffs not factored in? People get so dumb with their narratives.

Especially when you consider that Denver was elevating into a serious team and not just a fun one when Murray was making the leap in the bubble. It was clear for a few years before that, that he was their key - he needed to progress to that level for them to be legit.

And he did, and they made a WCF and lost a tough series to the Lakers. I think they lost in 5, but some of those games could’ve went either way - Davis’s buzzer beater in particular.

Then he got hurt - anybody with a brain knew they weren’t doing anything until he got back healthy and back to the level he was on pre injury.

Happy for him that he’s there, even if it sucks watching him destroy my team.

 

[UpstateSM]

Why are we playing the only playoff game of the day at 8:45 on Sunday?

 

[OrangeDW]

Why are we playing the only playoff game of the day at 8:45 on Sunday?

Ridiculous. This screams 3:30 start time.

 

[Cusefan0307]

I miss the days of the conference finals being played in the afternoon.

 

[OrangeDW]

I miss the days of the conference finals being played in the afternoon.

A Sunday night start simply guarantees I won’t care much about the game, I’ll likely be in a bad mood and distracted, and will be in bed before the end of it.

 

[NineOneSeven]

Bottom line is there are always several players “deserving” of MVP each year and we can use all sorts of metrics to try to define the winner. Team win/loss, individual numbers, advanced analytics, “eye test”, etc.

And right now there are a ton of candidates it seems because there is some high level talent.

 

[OrangeDW]

Bottom line is there are always several players “deserving” of MVP each year and we can use all sorts of metrics to try to define the winner. Team win/loss, individual numbers, advanced analytics, “eye test”, etc.

And right now there are a ton of candidates it seems because there is some high level talent.

And there’s also not any one player that is clearly the guy like Jordan, or prime LeBron. (Shaq deserved similar accolades IMO).

The best guy is far more up for debate.

 

[NineOneSeven]

And there’s also not any one player that is clearly the guy like Jordan, or prime LeBron. (Shaq deserved similar accolades IMO).

The best guy is far more up for debate.

Lillard has never been a top 3 mvp finalist but he’s clearly an mvp level talent.

 

[Knicks411]

They’ve gone “narrative” and spreading it around forever. In his prime, Shaq was the “most valuable” player almost every year if you look at it from the standpoint of - his team is probably going to win and you know they’re going to win, because he’s on the team.

I remember Barkley didn’t get it in 1990 despite having absolutely absurd numbers, but then they gave him his moment in 1993…even though he was better in 1990.

1990 is one I wasn't that familiar with. 25 points a game on 66% true shooting, 4th year in a row he lead the league in TSP.

He actually had the most first place votes that year too. It's interesting, he won in 93 for 2 reasons I guess (aside from his play, which was def at a lower level than 90, but still obviously awesome) 1) the team was better (62 wins vs 53 in 90, best record in the league and 2) voter fatigue with MJ i guess? He had won the prior 2 years. Actually throw in 3) the narrative of this being his first year with the Suns and them taking a level up. The funny thing is Magic won in 90, which was his 3rd in 4 years and second in a row!

 

[OrangeDW]

1990 is one I wasn't that familiar with. 25 points a game on 66% true shooting, 4th year in a row he lead the league in TSP.

He actually had the most first place votes that year too. It's interesting, he won in 93 for 2 reasons I guess (aside from his play, which was def at a lower level than 90, but still obviously awesome) 1) the team was better (62 wins vs 53 in 90, best record in the league and 2) voter fatigue with MJ i guess? He had won the prior 2 years. Actually throw in 3) the narrative of this being his first year with the Suns and them taking a level up. The funny thing is Magic won in 90, which was his 3rd in 4 years and second in a row!

I remember it well because my dad is a Sixers fan and kept talking about how Barkley deserved it. Barkley carried those Sixers to a very good year, there wasn’t exactly a ton of talent to work with.

 

[phillydad]

I remember it well because my dad is a Sixers fan and kept talking about how Barkley deserved it. Barkley carried those Sixers to a very good year, there wasn’t exactly a ton of talent to work with.

That 89-90 Sixer team was my favorite non-championship Sixers squad. Barkley, Mahorn, Gminski, Dawkins (pre-injury) and Hersey Hawkins started. Ron Anderson, 6th man, Derek Smith, Scotty Brooks off the bench. Great chemistry. Lots of future coaches. Smith got hurt for the playoffs, could have been a different story if he's healthy vs Jordan.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

The refs suck, but no urgency by the Celtics on transition D

 

[OttoinGrotto]

That was a NASTY alley oop.

 

[CuseFaninVT]

Smart is kind of useless if he can’t defend.