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Of the names mentioned, I like Brian Norwood, Brian Borland, and David Reeves. Hiring a big name guy is not going to happen so trying to look at guys at lower-level schools that might want to jump up.

I would be very interested in Norwood's style and if that is a match with Babers style on offense. Would need good depth to play an aggressive non-stop style of defense with an offense that can go three and out multiple times in a row.
 
that’s not the point - he’s a very competent DC. I think it’s more that he burned a lot of bridges
His defenses during his head coaching tenure were some of the worst in our history. His current defense is giving up 31.1 points per game this season. In a terrible conference.
 
Why not Greg Schiano if he doesn’t get the RU job. Guy could coach defense (Ohio St. DC) and recruit the heck out of the NY/NJ area. Pay him $1.3mm per year and if Dino leaves, which is doubtful now but you never know, he could step in as HC. Just an idea but one that I would entertain.
 
Why not Greg Schiano if he doesn’t get the RU job. Guy could coach defense (Ohio St. DC) and recruit the heck out of the NY/NJ area. Pay him $1.3mm per year and if Dino leaves, which is doubtful now but you never know, he could step in as HC. Just an idea but one that I would entertain.

No thank you
 
Of the names mentioned, I like Brian Norwood, Brian Borland, and David Reeves. Hiring a big name guy is not going to happen so trying to look at guys at lower-level schools that might want to jump up.

I would be very interested in Norwood's style and if that is a match with Babers style on offense. Would need good depth to play an aggressive non-stop style of defense with an offense that can go three and out multiple times in a row.
Completely agree
 
It's going to be Stanard.

They need to get rid of another 1-2 coaches and pay up for hired guns on the recruiting trail.
 
It's going to be Stanard.

They need to get rid of another 1-2 coaches and pay up for hired guns on the recruiting trail.
What's the basis for your thinking on that, Rocco? When he fired Ward HCDB clearly mentioned scheme. Not suggesting Stenard isn't a good position coach but scheme-wise he's Ward junior - a T-2 guy with a history at NDS. We just gave up almost 700 yards and 60 points to BC with that defense. I know we weren't running it strictly, but either way, isn't it time for fresh blood - someone that could also help with recruiting?
 
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Norwood' s Defense at baylor was ranked 87, 72, and 89 before being demoted. Since then, he's been co-Coordinator at Tulsa, K-State, and now Navy. Would really prefer Newberry if we can only get one of them
 
He burned some internet fan board bridges? Is that even a thing?

Yeah, hard to imagine but if we’re upset - there would be people up on the hill also feeling similar
 
Norwood' s Defense at baylor was ranked 87, 72, and 89 before being demoted. Since then, he's been co-Coordinator at Tulsa, K-State, and now Navy. Would really prefer Newberry if we can only get one of them

Those years in the Big 12? Not all that horrible lol
 
Sign me up. I really like the defensive philosophy. To force QBs and linemen to communicate every down in our dome seems to be an advantage for us.
Yup. It almost makes too much sense...kind of like running an uptempo, attacking passing offense in the controlled environment of the Dome.

Have to give Nate Mink credit here for publicly connecting the dots.

I would be all in on a Newberry/Norwood style of chaotic attacking defense, run in the Loud House, paired with this offense, in a renovated Dome.
 
Yup. It almost makes too much sense...kind of like running an uptempo, attacking passing offense in the controlled environment of the Dome.

Have to give Nate Mink credit here for publicly connecting the dots.

I would be all in on a Newberry/Norwood style of chaotic attacking defense, run in the Loud House, paired with this offense, in a renovated Dome.

Agreed 144%. A D that capitalizes on the home field advantage the Carrier Dome can provide.
Brilliant!
 
Yeah, hard to imagine but if we’re upset - there would be people up on the hill also feeling similar
Ehh I think there are allot of over sensitive fans and even if someone in the AD office had a hard on about the former coach it wouldn't matter a single iota if Wildhack and Babers actually wanted to bring him in. They don't so it doesn't matter but fans usually feel way more slighted than the people who they perceive have been slighted. This is just like the Sahluddeen (sp?) running back thing on the recruiting board. The kid is transferring out of Pitt and there are some butthurt fans who don't want him cuz he hat faked Cuse. Really? Who cares? Do you think the staff does? They don't. If Babers thought he would be a value you can damn well bet that Babers won't care about the fans sentiment and will bring the young man in.
Now I am purely talking about the stogie thing. If you want to bring up words he was quoted as saying that may be different depending on what was said. I don't hang on every word a coach says so I can't speak to that but honestly who gives a about him chewing a stogie that day? Big deal...just my opinion.
 
You think the cigar thing and some of his comments didn’t burn bridges within the University?
Phat no idea what he said but per my other response just don't give a crap about a stogie...if he said something that was unforgivable I guess that is another matter.
 
Shafer is a great guy, pretty good DC, and clearly completely overwhelmed a a HC.
Also meh as a recruiter.


There are many better DC options available out there, as have been mentioned.

I can’t imagine a scenario where we would even consider him at this point.
 
Why would he work for a school and a staff that essentially fired him. This isn’t about our decision not to hire him, it’s about his decision to not apply.
 
Shafer is a great guy, pretty good DC, and clearly completely overwhelmed a a HC.
Also meh as a recruiter.


There are many better DC options available out there, as have been mentioned.

I can’t imagine a scenario where we would even consider him at this point.
Or one where he would consider us.
 
Shafer is a great guy, pretty good DC, and clearly completely overwhelmed a a HC.
Also meh as a recruiter.


There are many better DC options available out there, as have been mentioned.

I can’t imagine a scenario where we would even consider him at this point.
Agreed
 
Not sure if these names have been mentioned. I know some may not have a direct connection to recruiting, but are I believe candidates to consider given their track record. (Now, these are all Base Salary figures)

Phil Parker, DC, Iowa Salary: $595,000

Bert Watts, DC, Fresno State Salary: $275,000
(This one intrigues me and has had success as Defensive mind - Plus he's young and New Jersey guy)

David Reeves, DC, UAB Salary: $170,000
(This is another guy I like; considering UAB didn’t field a team in 2015 or 2016, those results are not too shabby. - Recruiting may not be his strength but heck of a coordinator)

Jim Leonhard, DC, Wisconsin $795,200 (~$4.1M Total)
(Yet another guy that intrigues me, may recognize him for his time as a player with the JETS; Young up and coming coach who I believed already turned down a few gigs as a coach)

Bob Shoop, DC, Mississippi State $400,000 (~$3.575M Total)
(Relatively young PA guy who is definitely up and coming and smart - worth considering)

Jay Bateman, co-DC, North Carolina Salary: N/A (Listed previously at ARMY last and not disclosed)
(Another option since he is co-DC at UNC; may want to actually be a full-time DC)

Clark Lea, DC, Notre Dame Salary: N/A (Independent - Not Divulged)
(This is a familiar name, though not sure he'll leave South Ben)

Mike MacIntyre, DC Ole Miss (Not Sure if he's currently coaching) Salary: $1.5M
(This is a Florida guy)

Again please take a look at these names as possible candidates, and of course just food for thought!
Thought of throwing out perhaps the not so obvious ones or mentioned.

LGO!
 
Jay Bateman AND Bert Watts are interesting names from that list.
 
Fran Brown is a decent choice. The others are, to me, bad fits.

Ash has shown he can produce a decent defense when given a roster of HS AAs. We don't need a coach like that, who, when provided with decent talent, was a collosal failure. He was an awful hire for Rutgers and would be a awful fit here as well.

We need someone who can do more with less, who has shown he can develop players and out scheme good coaches.

Jim Leavitt is 62 and could not get a job as a paid assistant this season. He would require a huge salary and I don't see him busting his butt to turn around Syracuse. Even if he came, he would leave at the first chance he got to coach at a school that is a better fit for him.

Charlie Strong, if he doesn't get another HC job, is going to be among the highest paid assistant coaches in the country. We aren't going to compete with Alabama, Georgia and Oklahoma for coaches. It just isn't going to happen.

Plus none of these guys has strong connections to the Northeast, where I think are having major problems recruiting.

Fran Brown is the only guy on your list that kind of makes sense. He comes from NJ, an area we need to have coaches with connections. He has had to identify raw talent and develop it coaching at Temple. He has never been a defensive coordinator though (he is listed as a co-defensive coordinator but Jeff Knowles is the DC at Temple).

I think we need a youngish, hungry , personable guy with ties to our traditional recruiting areas, experience coaching up talent and experience as a DC. This is not the time to go cheap and hire someone who has never coordinated a defense before (or spend a ton on someone with bad qualifications who is poorly suited to the task at hand).


How do you feel about the guy from Navy that they wrote about in the paper this morning?
 
Good question. I haven't had time to do research. Maybe I can do some tonight or tomorrow night. If I do, I will post what I think. But to me, the keys are

1) success as a DC
2) ability to identify and develop raw talent
3) ability to recruit
4) ties to traditional recruiting areas for Syracuse

It will probably be someone from a G5 school. Could even be a HC of a BCS level school with DC experience.


But if we're looking at potential MAC type coaches - who admittedly can turn out to be great - we aren't really going to have any data on the guy's ability to recruit at a high level, because he isn't selling a high level program. For that reason, I'd like to see us get a P5 guy because he's going to have more productive ties to the best HS programs.
 

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