QB situation for 2016 and on...

[money3189]

In the words of Lee Corso. Not so fast my friends.

Wilson -will be serviceable but wont win you the big games, plus he is a standing duck and makes bad decisions when the pocket collaspes.

AJ- Is crafty but he is too pop warnerish to me. Weakest arm out of the bunch. He is not a good enough athlete to over look the lack of arm strength.

Dungy- is on the same boat as Wilson except he is a much better athlete. Will be interesting when he arrives.

Culpepper- Will be solid too. Needs to improve throwing motion but he is capable of winning the position. Comes from a H.S that develops great QB's. I might change my mind once I see his senior film. lol

That leaves Mr. Womack- There is one thing missing from all the other candidates and that's " Magic". There's something special about him. Its a feeling I have and I know some of you have it too. Gentlemen, he is the best athlete out of all of them. He has a good arm, seems to be a nice well mannered southern boy that has a chip on his shoulder. I think the team will rally behind him. Its gonna take someone special like him to get us back. He is a playmaker. Thats what we need at this position. Lets say he cant make the throws and he's not efficient enough at the position, then of course he can contriubute somewhere else but I think he's the guy.

 

[Crusty]

In the words of Lee Corso. Not so fast my friends.

Wilson -will be serviceable but wont win you the big games, plus he is a standing duck and makes bad decisions when the pocket collaspes.

AJ- Is crafty but he is too pop warnerish to me. Weakest arm out of the bunch. He is not a good enough athlete to over look the lack of arm strength.

Dungy- is on the same boat as Wilson except he is a much better athlete. Will be interesting when he arrives.

Culpepper- Will be solid too. Needs to improve throwing motion but he is capable of winning the position. Comes from a H.S that develops great QB's. I might change my mind once I see his senior film. lol

That leaves Mr. Womack- There is one thing missing from all the other candidates and that's " Magic". There's something special about him. Its a feeling I have and I know some of you have it too. Gentlemen, he is the best athlete out of all of them. He has a good arm, seems to be a nice well mannered southern boy that has a chip on his shoulder. I think the team will rally behind him. Its gonna take someone special like him to get us back. He is a playmaker. Thats what we need at this position. Lets say he cant make the throws and he's not efficient enough at the position, then of course he can contriubute somewhere else but I think he's the guy.

I also think Magic (Otto what do you think of that one?) is going to be the guy, I just think it will take him a year or two.

 

[Chip]

Bottom line--we need somebody to emerge as a quality starter at QB post-Hunt. It doesn't matter to me whether it is Long, Dungey, Womack, or Culpepper -- but one of those guys absolutely needs to be the real deal. I'm so tired of the post-McNabb curse. We've had 1 good year and maybe 2-3 acceptable seasons of QB play [if that] out of 16. I look forward to having a multi-year starter who is an above average playmaker. May the best player win.

And the one thing that successful season and the 2-3 acceptable seasons had in common was the QB was a 5th year senior.

So call me negative (no one's afraid to do that these days), but I'd be surprised to see anything consistently productive out of Long, Dungey or Womack before the 2018 season. We just don't recruit the guys that are ready earlier. Would love that surprise but we've been down this road so many times with so many names.

 

[Crusty]

And the one thing that successful season and the 2-3 acceptable seasons had in common was the QB was a 5th year senior.

So call me negative (no one's afraid to do that these days), but I'd be surprised to see anything consistently productive out of Long, Dungey or Womack before the 2018 season. We just don't recruit the guys that are ready earlier. Would love that surprise but we've been down this road so many times with so many names.

Which is another reason we need to have some consistency in the coaching staff. Imagine a change in 2017 and these kids have to learn a new system again. I just hope this staff grows into the job.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I also think Magic (Otto what do you think of that one?) is going to be the guy, I just think it will take him a year or two.

I think Womack's name has enough edge that a nickname would just be overkill.

 

[Orange4]

QB-Womack RB-Washington HB-Strickland WR-Ishmael WR-Phillips plus the O-Line haul we are bringing in these last 2 classes things are setting up nicely with playmakers now we just need the big boys to block and I think we found some good ones.

 

[orangenirvana]

I wouldn't say Dungey is "lowly regarded." He was the best QB in Oregon last year, but the problem there is, high school FB in Oregon doesn't have a particularly sterling reputation. But he's 6-4, extremely athletic (basketball and track star as well) and smart enough to have been an Ivy League recruit. And watching his film, he just looks like such a smooth athlete. I think he's got what it takes to succeed at this level.

Believe he is a 3 star? As far as I can tell anyway. I think he was one of, if not the best QB in Orgeon last year?

I'm not sure he is "lowly-regarded".

91st ranked QB in his class according to $c0u+. Wilson was #82 (2 star). Kimble was #101. Hunt was #71. Jonny Miller was #63. Nassib was #82 (2 star). I don't see much difference there.

SU was (allegedly) his only major conference offer. He's a mid-major prospect. That is lowly-regarded imo.

Maybe he has what it takes but one would think multiple Pac-12 schools would be all over him if he was legit. Hopefully he's one of those rare ones that went unnoticed but to expect the rare exception is not logical imo.

 

[sutomcat]

In the words of Lee Corso. Not so fast my friends.

Wilson -will be serviceable but wont win you the big games, plus he is a standing duck and makes bad decisions when the pocket collaspes.

AJ- Is crafty but he is too pop warnerish to me. Weakest arm out of the bunch. He is not a good enough athlete to over look the lack of arm strength.

Dungy- is on the same boat as Wilson except he is a much better athlete. Will be interesting when he arrives.

Culpepper- Will be solid too. Needs to improve throwing motion but he is capable of winning the position. Comes from a H.S that develops great QB's. I might change my mind once I see his senior film. lol

That leaves Mr. Womack- There is one thing missing from all the other candidates and that's " Magic". There's something special about him. Its a feeling I have and I know some of you have it too. Gentlemen, he is the best athlete out of all of them. He has a good arm, seems to be a nice well mannered southern boy that has a chip on his shoulder. I think the team will rally behind him. Its gonna take someone special like him to get us back. He is a playmaker. Thats what we need at this position. Lets say he cant make the throws and he's not efficient enough at the position, then of course he can contriubute somewhere else but I think he's the guy.

There is something to like about all of the QBs but I agree with you, Womack has the highest ceiling. Though it is close, I think he is the best athlete and most capable of making something good happen with plays break down. He is the one QB on the roster I could see run for 30 or 40 yards on a scramble, even against speed defenses like Clemson or FSU. Do that once or twice and then WRs suddenly start getting a little more cushion on long routes and things really start to open up.

We always get excited about the newest recruits and have to be careful to not over do our enthusiasm. But Dungey, Womack and now Culpepper are all excellent students. That surely is not a coincidence. However simplified it is, the Lester offense still needs someone fairly heady to make the reads and switch to the right plays. That comes with experience or with innate intelligence. Hunt has experience. For the future, we have at least 3 young QBs who should have the smarts to step up and run the offense relatively quickly. Plus, all of them are excellent athletes, clearly better than the ones we have on the roster now.

A simpler offense. QBs who are more qualified to run it. It sounds to me like something good is about to happen...

 

[Rocco]

That leaves Mr. Womack- There is one thing missing from all the other candidates and that's " Magic". There's something special about him. Its a feeling I have and I know some of you have it too. Gentlemen, he is the best athlete out of all of them. He has a good arm, seems to be a nice well mannered southern boy that has a chip on his shoulder. I think the team will rally behind him. Its gonna take someone special like him to get us back. He is a playmaker. Thats what we need at this position. Lets say he cant make the throws and he's not efficient enough at the position, then of course he can contriubute somewhere else but I think he's the guy.

I wouldn't rule out Dungey or the others yet, but I like your sentiment and agree with you.

 

[orangenirvana]

AJ- Is crafty but he is too pop warnerish to me. Weakest arm out of the bunch. He is not a good enough athlete to over look the lack of arm strength.

Long lacks arm strength?

That leaves Mr. Womack- There is one thing missing from all the other candidates and that's " Magic". There's something special about him. Its a feeling I have and I know some of you have it too. Gentlemen, he is the best athlete out of all of them. He has a good arm, seems to be a nice well mannered southern boy that has a chip on his shoulder. I think the team will rally behind him. Its gonna take someone special like him to get us back. He is a playmaker. Thats what we need at this position. Lets say he cant make the throws and he's not efficient enough at the position, then of course he can contriubute somewhere else but I think he's the guy.

No offense, but this is silly. We really have no idea what type of player or person Womack is. You basically described AJ Long. The only difference is Womack wasn't thrown into the middle of a trainwreck as an 18 year old long before he was ready to play college football. My guess is Womack would not have fared much better, and likely would have done worse.

 

[jekelish]

Long lacks arm strength?


No offense, but this is silly. We really have no idea what type of player or person Womack is. You basically described AJ Long. The only difference is Womack wasn't thrown into the middle of a trainwreck as an 18 year old long before he was ready to play college football. My guess is Womack would not have fared much better, and likely would have done worse.

Womack is 3 or 4 inches taller than AJ and a lot more athletic. You can say it's silly that money described AJ, but I could equally say it's silly to say Womack "likely would have done worse" since you're basing that on nothing but presumption. The fact is we just don't know how any of this will play out.

 

[orangenirvana]

Womack is 3 or 4 inches taller than AJ and a lot more athletic. You can say it's silly that money described AJ, but I could equally say it's silly to say Womack "likely would have done worse" since you're basing that on nothing but presumption. The fact is we just don't know how any of this will play out.

And Long is two inches taller than Russell Wilson. Who cares?

You're right that we don't know how any of this will play out - which is why it is silly to describe a kid from Alabama that no one recruited as magical. "There's something special about him." I mean come on.

 

[jekelish]

And Long is two inches taller than Russell Wilson. Who cares?

You're right that we don't know how any of this will play out - which is why it is silly to describe a kid from Alabama that no one recruited as magical. "There's something special about him." I mean come on.

Russell Wilson has a cannon arm. AJ does not have a particularly strong arm. If you're short you need to either have an exceptional arm or exceptional athleticism to make up for it. AJ is just ok in both departments.

 

[Millhouse]

Russell Wilson has a cannon arm. AJ does not have a particularly strong arm. If you're short you need to either have an exceptional arm or exceptional athleticism to make up for it. AJ is just ok in both departments.

AJ long is a total mystery to me. You have the FSU game which was decent. but it's not like their defense was that stout. they were 68th in passer rating defense (nothing about FSU made any sense last year).

4 of his 7 games were pitiful. maybe it was the injury. he looks the part at times but it's hard for me to pin any hopes on a guy that small who isn't that fast.

 

[RMH44]

And Long is two inches taller than Russell Wilson. Who cares?

You're right that we don't know how any of this will play out - which is why it is silly to describe a kid from Alabama that no one recruited as magical. "There's something special about him." I mean come on.

AJ is 2" taller than Russell Wilson? AJ is listed at 6'0" which isn't close. Will Hicks told me that he might be 5'10" but, pound for pound, was one of the strongest players on the team.

 

[orangenirvana]

Russell Wilson has a cannon arm. AJ does not have a particularly strong arm. If you're short you need to either have an exceptional arm or exceptional athleticism to make up for it. AJ is just ok in both departments.

We don't need an NFL All-Pro here. As raw as he was I saw very good natural arm talent (both velocity and accuracy) in his limited time last year, and Long's throwing will only gain more explosion as the rest of his body gains strength and his motion improves with instruction.

 

[orangenirvana]

AJ is 2" taller than Russell Wilson? AJ is listed at 6'0" which isn't close. Will Hicks told me that he might be 5'10" but, pound for pound, was one of the strongest players on the team.

Wilson is 5-10 1/2. Long was listed 6-2 as a recruit and I assumed because he's 6-0 on the roster of the official SU website that he's actually 6-0. What's the point of lying about heights and weights on the suathletics website?

Regardless, I'm sure Womack's listed height of 6-3 is totally legit because, you know, he's "magical."

 

[Faegan]

4 of his 7 games were pitiful. maybe it was the injury. he looks the part at times but it's hard for me to pin any hopes on a guy that small who isn't that fast.

The durability issue is the reason why I have a hard time seeing him pan out as a starter. It will be interesting to see how much muscle he has put on and the impact it has on his speed/agility.

 

[jekelish]

he looks the part at times but it's hard for me to pin any hopes on a guy that small who isn't that fast.

This, right here. When a dude is as small as AJ playing QB, you need to have either a great arm or great feet (preferably both). He's just ok with both, and that's why I'm not convinced he's the solution. He's an outstanding leader but he's just been dealt a bad hand physically for the position at this level.

 

[Chip]

Which is another reason we need to have some consistency in the coaching staff. Imagine a change in 2017 and these kids have to learn a new system again. I just hope this staff grows into the job.

I hope so too (seriously).

But what gives me more comfort is that I think we have an AD who gets it, and will make the best decision in the interest of the program's success.

He's not going to just say please win, if you need me I'll be in my office, having people come in to model new uniforms.

 

[Crusty]

Wilson is 5-10 1/2. Long was listed 6-2 as a recruit and I assumed because he's 6-0 on the roster of the official SU website that he's actually 6-0. What's the point of lying about heights and weights on the suathletics website?

Regardless, I'm sure Womack's listed height of 6-3 is totally legit because, you know, he's "magical."

Wilson is listed at 6'3". I doubt he is 5'10 1/2.

 

[Crusty]

There is something to like about all of the QBs but I agree with you, Womack has the highest ceiling. Though it is close, I think he is the best athlete and most capable of making something good happen with plays break down. He is the one QB on the roster I could see run for 30 or 40 yards on a scramble, even against speed defenses like Clemson or FSU. Do that once or twice and then WRs suddenly start getting a little more cushion on long routes and things really start to open up.

We always get excited about the newest recruits and have to be careful to not over do our enthusiasm. But Dungey, Womack and now Culpepper are all excellent students. That surely is not a coincidence. However simplified it is, the Lester offense still needs someone fairly heady to make the reads and switch to the right plays. That comes with experience or with innate intelligence. Hunt has experience. For the future, we have at least 3 young QBs who should have the smarts to step up and run the offense relatively quickly. Plus, all of them are excellent athletes, clearly better than the ones we have on the roster now.

A simpler offense. QBs who are more qualified to run it. It sounds to me like something good is about to happen...

Yes, I like that we are recruiting smart kids. Smart is always better than the alternative.

 

[TheCusian]

Wilson is listed at 6'3". I doubt he is 5'10 1/2.

Yep. Just watching the tape - Wilson is obv taller than AJ

 

[orangenirvana]

Wilson is listed at 6'3". I doubt he is 5'10 1/2.

Yep. Just watching the tape - Wilson is obv taller than AJ

Russell Wilson, folks. Not Austin.

 

[Crusty]

Russell Wilson, folks. Not Austin.

LOL