Say what you will about the game at MetLife ...

[Alsacs]

One a year is my guess. And I have no idea why you can't see that sacrificing one game a year to make 5x the amount of money isn't good for the university. You have nothing to stand on except "I want to see one more home game". It's week and shortsighted.

Why don't we move the Florida State game as well. I am sure we could get quite the payday for that game as well. Sometimes you have to stand on your morals and refuse to allow your program to be perceived as small time. Playing teams at their home stadium and then have our home games at a neutral site over 400 miles away from your University is a small time. Money isn't the problem it was in the Big East the fact that Gross hasn't cancelled the future Metlife games shows he cares more about $$$ than his home stadium.

We don't need to win 8-9 games a year to get home/homes with P5 teams. I would rather play Washington/Maryland/Iowa/Illinois/Northwestern home/home than Notre Dame/Michigan/Ohio State on the road and then our game at Metlife.

Giansante tried saying that neutral site game are now common. He is correct that neutral site games are now be used because neither team has to make a return visit to the other team's home stadium. He is patently wrong if he is trying to say these Metlife games are true neutral site games as they are Syracuse home games sold to Metlife. He is being disingenuous in claiming this is a neutral site game because Syracuse is going to have to play 2 games where ND wants them played in the future.

 

[Alsacs]

Makes perfect sense until the program is winning 8 - 9 games regularly and SU can demand home games against top level opponents (ex: Tennessee during the McNabb era).

You realize we have gotten top teams to agree to play us home/home only Notre Dame hasn't given our football team a 1/1.

Penn State played us home/home in 2008-2009, Washington played us home/home in 2006/2010, USC was going to play us home/home until Gross sold the game to Metlife.

This argument is spin 101.

 

[TheCusian]

Why don't we move the Florida State game as well. I am sure we could get quite the payday for that game as well. Sometimes you have to stand on your morals and refuse to allow your program to be perceived as small time. Playing teams at their home stadium and then have our home games at a neutral site over 400 miles away from your University is a small time. Money isn't the problem it was in the Big East the fact that Gross hasn't cancelled the future Metlife games shows he cares more about $$$ than his home stadium. We don't need to win 8-9 games a year to get home/homes with P5 teams. I would rather play Washington/Maryland/Iowa/Illinois/Northwestern home/home than Notre Dame/Michigan/Ohio State on the road and then our game at Metlife. Giansante tried saying that neutral site game are now common. He is correct that neutral site games are now be used because neither team has to make a return visit to the other team's home stadium. He is patently wrong if he is trying to say these Metlife games are true neutral site games as they are Syracuse home games sold to Metlife. He is being disingenuous in claiming this is a neutral site game because Syracuse is going to have to play 2 games where ND wants them played in the future.

You're seeing ghosts man. Let's discuss once something is announced.

If you think interest in SU football will raise playing middling teams at home (like last weekend) rather than big teams at a neutral site game - then you've lost it.

Also: you can lose a home game to gain a neutral site game. Because one is home and other is neutral site wise. They can both be true, it's all semantics.

 

[Alsacs]

You're seeing ghosts man. Let's discuss once something is announced.

If you think interest in SU football will raise playing middling teams at home (like last weekend) rather than big teams at a neutral site game - then you've lost it.

Also: you can lose a home game to gain a neutral site game. Because one is home and other is neutral site wise. They can both be true, it's all semantics.

I honestly can't take this anymore. My attitude/my personality is hurting my argument because anyone who isn't defending this crappy deal should realize it makes us look smalltime. Nobody else in the ACC will be playing their home games off campus, Rutgers/UConn both declined this deal.

If we want to play a neutral site game play in the Chick-Fil-A game in Atlanta, or the neutral site game in Houston, or the neutral site game in Dallas. Those are neutral site games because neither team will play the following year at their opponent's home stadium. Syracuse is giving up a home game that would have been at the Carrier Dome to play a game that will have more Irish fans than Orange fans for a game that should be a Syracuse home game. Just stop responding I don't want to get tired anymore. You are fine with this deal okay, but stop trying to make this deal anything more than SU AD selling out for $$$ and not giving a crap about its home fans. Would more students be at the game if its at the Dome or in Metlife? I bet we will have less students willing to go on a 6 hour drive than 20 minute walk.

 

[TheCusian]

You realize we have gotten top teams to agree to play us home/home only Notre Dame hasn't given our football team a 1/1. Penn State played us home/home in 2008-2009, Washington played us home/home in 2006/2010, USC was going to play us home/home until Gross sold the game to Metlife. This argument is spin 101.

Money and exposure. You're right. The rest is spin.

 

[CusefanATL]

My 9 month old was up early this morning, so I decided to go for a run with him... I was pushing the stroller up a hill when the commercial came on Pandora... I about went nuts! 1 hand on the stroller, the other fist pumping while yelling "lets do this!"

Must have been a funny site for anyone driving by at 6am.

 

[Alsacs]

Money and exposure. You're right. The rest is spin.

Wow cause you really interpreted his statement correctly. Which was the only way we will get teams to play us home/home is if we win 8-9 games. I mean are you Dr. Gross?

 

[PeteCalvin]

No doubt. But they want to win too. So far we are 0-2. Let's hope it's 1-2 after Saturday.

We should have won the first two. We were in it against USC until we blundered our way out of it. No excuse losing to true frosh Hackenberg and Ped State. That game was a disgrace. Much like the UMD game from last week.

 

[rrlbees]

It doesn't say that. Now you're making stuff up?

No it doesn't say that.

 

[billsin01]

We've played metro nyc 4 times the past several years. I bet we haven't gotten a recruit because of it.

That's fine -- doesn't mean it's not a worthwhile recruiting tool. There are probably very few single factors that are the lone deciding factor. You know that bees. You don't like giving up a home game, fine, but suggesting that playing a big game in NYC doesn't at least help bump recruiting efforts in that area is ridiculous.

 

[TheCusian]

Wow cause you really interpreted his statement correctly. Which was the only way we will get teams to play us home/home is if we win 8-9 games. I mean are you Dr. Gross?

I'm not.

I don't think even if we win 8-9 games we should give the Met Life games back to traditional home games - not if 5 mil is on the table per game.

If you were I his position - what would you do, truthfully? 5 mil and exposure or more Maryland in the dome for less than 1?

 

[Full_Rebar]

6 home games, 5 road games and 1 MetLife game each year. Nothing wrong with cashing in from MetLife for a neutral game against a name opponent w/o taking away a home game.

I still don't understand why it's alright to say SU is generating interest in the Athletics brand, but it's ok that SU can't give any numbers to show what is happening because of that interest. When companies advertise it's to increase sales, so it would be nice to know if the money spent on NY's College Team has led to a tangible benefit somewhere.

Anyway, it's a discussion that can continue another day. No matter what anyone thinks about it at the end of the day it's all about Cuse winning tomorrow night. Go Orange!

 

[rrlbees]

6 home games, 5 road games and 1 MetLife game each year./QUOTE]

While many teams play 7 at home giving themselves a better chance at wins, which this program needs more than anything else.

 

[Chris02M]

I wouldn't anticipate another metlife game until 2019 or 20 after the nd game in 16

 

[Chris02M]

when we get back to consistent 8 or more wins I can see using the metlife games as kickoff classic games (1 offs or part of 1-1-1 deals with sec,big 12,big 10,pac 12 and maybe Rutgers or UConn

 

[Stevenson]

Play them all at Met Life. That would be awesome.

 

[orangechef]

We've played metro nyc 4 times the past several years. I bet we haven't gotten a recruit because of it.

Did not lock up any Jersey recruits of any consequence, or number, until we started playing the games at Metlife down in Jersey!

 

[CuseOnly]

Did you read Giansante's answer to the question about Gross comments ND would be in the Dome. He didn't confirm them. He said he was unaware of those comments. The simple math I have outlined tells you we only have 1 in 7 chance of getting ND in the Dome why can't you acknowledge that.

14 ACC teams will get 2 ND home games = 28 games. 2 of 14 will get a 3rd home game. I HIGHLY DOUBT IT HAS BEEN DECIDED WHO IS GETTING THE 3RD HOME GAMES.
I will take my fact to the bank way more than anything you just said.

The author of the article corrected that statement and confirmed with Giansante that ND was coming to the dome, he was just not sure when.

 

[rrlbees]

Did not lock up any Jersey recruits of any consequence, or number, until we started playing the games at Metlife down in Jersey!

Not true at all.

 

[Alsacs]

The author of the article corrected that statement and confirmed with Giansante that ND was coming to the dome, he was just not sure when.

I honestly don't want to discuss anymore I am sick of getting talked to like I don't know what I am talking about when I have been fair just not a kook aid drinker.
I hope Giansante/Gross are right but when real clear and convincing evidence suggests we only have a 2 in 14 chance then consider me from Missouri and I am going to have to be shown ND on the home schedule to believe it.

 

[CuseOnly]

I honestly don't want to discuss anymore I am sick of getting talked to like I don't know what I am talking about when I have been fair just not a kook aid drinker.
I hope Giansante/Gross are right but when real clear and convincing evidence suggests we only have a 2 in 14 chance then consider me from Missouri and I am going to have to be shown ND on the home schedule to believe it.

Wasn't doing anything of the sort, was informing you that the article was updated and Giansante confirmed what Gross said.

It's all irrelevant now that we will only play there 1 more time.

 

[Pat Kelly]

Clearly Ishaq, Gus and Holley were all eager to stay home and play a game at MetLife...can we stop with the notion that this game is about recruiting?

The IPF helps recruiting. Staff stability helps recruiting. The upgrades in the football facility helps recruiting.

Above all, winning more games helps recruiting. This buzz does nothing unless SU comes out tomorrow night and wins.

Just because those recruits didn't come means it doesn't help recruiting?? Great logic, let's get rid of the game, then they would've come here, obviously!!! It's so simple

 

[Pat Kelly]

You realize we have gotten top teams to agree to play us home/home only Notre Dame hasn't given our football team a 1/1.

Penn State played us home/home in 2008-2009, Washington played us home/home in 2006/2010, USC was going to play us home/home until Gross sold the game to Metlife.

This argument is spin 101.

Even great teams play neutral site games. It's not a big deal and it's a fun event. Better to play in front of 76k than in front of a not sold out dome. We wouldn't have gotten a primetime TV spot without this game.

 

[Full_Rebar]

Just because those recruits didn't come means it doesn't help recruiting?? Great logic, let's get rid of the game, then they would've come here, obviously!!! It's so simple

Mix in a little reading comprehension...and FYI, Saturday night's game was a Syracuse "home" game, yet the staff couldn't talk to recruits. That's a great recruiting bonus right?

 

[Alsacs]

Even great teams play neutral site games. It's not a big deal and it's a fun event. Better to play in front of 76k than in front of a not sold out dome. We wouldn't have gotten a primetime TV spot without this game.

I don't think you understand my points.
I don't mind neutral site games if they are true neutral site games.
This game was a Syracuse "home" game that Syracuse sold to MetLife by agreeing to is series while we were still in the Big East. With ND playing 5 annual ACC games we won't be playing them at the Dome for a while. Prime time game did nothing for us as we didn't look good we played okay.
I am glad we have fans who enjoyed the game but we lost a home game that would have happened at night if we didn't grovel at ND's demands in 2011 and lose our chance to host them at the dome.