Say what you will about the game at MetLife ...

[Pat Kelly]

I don't think you understand my points.
I don't mind neutral site games if they are true neutral site games.
This game was a Syracuse "home" game that Syracuse sold to MetLife by agreeing to is series while we were still in the Big East. With ND playing 5 annual ACC games we won't be playing them at the Dome for a while. Prime time game did nothing for us as we didn't look good we played okay.
I am glad we have fans who enjoyed the game but we lost a home game that would have happened at night if we didn't grovel at ND's demands in 2011 and lose our chance to host them at the dome.

I would have rather played ND at Metlife than some mediocre team at home.

 

[Pat Kelly]

Mix in a little reading comprehension...and FYI, Saturday night's game was a Syracuse "home" game, yet the staff couldn't talk to recruits. That's a great recruiting bonus right?

I think they'd rather see this game at Metlife in front of 76k than see a half-empty Dome while Cuse plays Mediocre-U.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I think they'd rather see this game at Metlife in front of 76k than see a half-empty Dome while Cuse plays Mediocre-U.

A lot of people assume that, but my initial question was in regards to tangible recruiting benefits from these 3 games. No one associated with the program will point to it being the deciding factor for any recruit. We know it made SU money, which is fine, but I hope we aren't just going to shift another home game to Yankee Stadium after 2016.

I will argue that playing Mediocre U (and beating Maryland at home) and going 4-0 and maybe sneaking into the top 25 would draw a lot more attention to the program nationally (not to mention people to the Dome). Instead of Fowler and Herbie talking about Syracuse being good in 1992, we need to get them talking about Syracuse being good now.

 

[Pat Kelly]

A lot of people assume that, but my initial question was in regards to tangible recruiting benefits from these 3 games. No one associated with the program will point to it being the deciding factor for any recruit. We know it made SU money, which is fine, but I hope we aren't just going to shift another home game to Yankee Stadium after 2016.

I will argue that playing Mediocre U (and beating Maryland at home) and going 4-0 and maybe sneaking into the top 25 would draw a lot more attention to the program nationally (not to mention people to the Dome). Instead of Fowler and Herbie talking about Syracuse being good in 1992, we need to get them talking about Syracuse being good now.

We played well in this game the other night. We competed--remember how we did against ranked opponents last year? The fact of the matter is, we lost to Maryland, and I believe having a primetime game and competing shows we're a viable team.

Think… these are high school kids whose one dream is to play in the NFL. Most of them won't. I think they'd get a rush playing in an NFL stadium on ESPN, and 20 recruits showed up for a reason. I'd be willing to bet that many wouldn't have showed up against a Marlyand at the Dome.

Not saying anything against the Dome, I love it, but one game in an NFL stadium per year I don't think can do anything but good.

 

[Alsacs]

We played well in this game the other night. We competed--remember how we did against ranked opponents last year? The fact of the matter is, we lost to Maryland, and I believe having a primetime game and competing shows we're a viable team.

Think… these are high school kids whose one dream is to play in the NFL. Most of them won't. I think they'd get a rush playing in an NFL stadium on ESPN, and 20 recruits showed up for a reason. I'd be willing to bet that many wouldn't have showed up against a Marlyand at the Dome.

Not saying anything against the Dome, I love it, but one game in an NFL stadium per year I don't think can do anything but good.

We competed and were mocked in a nice way by both Herbie and Fowler. We forced FIVE turnovers and still lost by 16 points.
All we did is not embarrass ourselves on national TV. That performance didn't improve our national standing. We scored 9 points on offense and played so conservative on defense Golson completed 25 passes in a row.

If we can get teams to play us in neutral site games at MetLife like Penn State did last year we should always do it but playing home games 300 miles away from campus and being outnumbered by he opponent fans in a game that is a Syracuse home game is sad.

The people okay with this either don't care it signals small time or like the NYC games for personal reasons.

When BC played USC 2 weeks ago the game was at Alumni Stadium not Gillette Stadium. We act small time when we turn home games into neutral site games.

The recruits at the game had ZERO contact with SU at the game. These games were all about Gross needing $$$ 3 years ago. Ask Scott Shafer where he would rather play Notre dame the Carrier dome or MetLife? He and any coach would say at home.

 

[Pat Kelly]

We competed and were mocked in a nice way by both Herbie and Fowler. We forced FIVE turnovers and still lost by 16 points.
All we did is not embarrass ourselves on national TV. That performance didn't improve our national standing. We scored 9 points on offense and played so conservative on defense Golson completed 25 passes in a row.

If we can get teams to play us in neutral site games at MetLife like Penn State did last year we should always do it but playing home games 300 miles away from campus and being outnumbered by he opponent fans in a game that is a Syracuse home game is sad.

The people okay with this either don't care it signals small time or like the NYC games for personal reasons.

When BC played USC 2 weeks ago the game was at Alumni Stadium not Gillette Stadium. We act small time when we turn home games into neutral site games.

The recruits at the game had ZERO contact with SU at the game. These games were all about Gross needing $$$ 3 years ago. Ask Scott Shafer where he would rather play Notre dame the Carrier dome or MetLife? He and any coach would say at home.

Boston is a big city, Foxborough is out in the middle of nowhere, so that's a poor comparison. And this most certainly is not a sign we're "small time", it's the opposite. Would Notre Dame-Rice ever be played at an NFL stadium? How about Notre Dame-Purdue (of late)?

Don't know about you, but I'd rather get critiqued by big time commentators than praised by small-time ACC Network analysts who can't pronounce the names of the players on our team.

 

[Alsacs]

Boston is a big city, Foxborough is out in the middle of nowhere, so that's a poor comparison. And this most certainly is not a sign we're "small time", it's the opposite. Would Notre Dame-Rice ever be played at an NFL stadium? How about Notre Dame-Purdue (of late)?

Don't know about you, but I'd rather get critiqued by big time commentators than praised by small-time ACC Network analysts who can't pronounce the names of the players on our team.

Syracuse has always been in a BCS league Rice has not or ever been in a BCS league. When Rice played Texas their home game was at Reliant Stadium because Rice is a mid major.
If you read my earlier posts you know why Purdue and Notre Dame played in Indianapolis. Notre Dame had a schedule full and instead of dropping Purdue the 2 teams are taking a hiatus for a couple of years instead of 1 team getting an extra home game like ND did to Michigan they played this year in a mutually beneficial neutral site and when they play again it will be home/home.
We acted small time in playing our home game 300 miles away from campus.

 

[Pat Kelly]

Syracuse has always been in a BCS league Rice has not or ever been in a BCS league. When Rice played Texas their home game was at Reliant Stadium because Rice is a mid major.
If you read my earlier posts you know why Purdue and Notre Dame played in Indianapolis. Notre Dame had a schedule full and instead of dropping Purdue the 2 teams are taking a hiatus for a couple of years instead of 1 team getting an extra home game like ND did to Michigan they played this year in a mutually beneficial neutral site and when they play again it will be home/home.
We acted small time in playing our home game 300 miles away from campus.

We would not have been primetime, would not have played in front of 76k, and recruits like playing in an NFL stadium. We're fighting to become relevant again and playing big games like that on national television is how you do that. Gross put our team in the right position. We can agree to disagree.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

You're aware that Rice University is located in Houston, right?

They moved the game against Texas from a 47,000 seat stadium to a bigger facility 3 miles away, and sold 74,000 tickets.

 

[Alsacs]

We would not have been primetime, would not have played in front of 76k, and recruits like playing in an NFL stadium. We're fighting to become relevant again and playing big games like that on national television is how you do that. Gross put our team in the right position. We can agree to disagree.

We are going to agree to disagree because he only way you become relevant is to win games. Playing good teams on national Tv is nice but winning and getting better bowls is how you get better recruits.
Name he recruits we have gotten because of these games.

 

[TheCusian]

We are going to agree to disagree because he only way you become relevant is to win games. Playing good teams on national Tv is nice but winning and getting better bowls is how you get better recruits. Name he recruits we have gotten because of these games.

Money and exposure is the reason for the deal.

Winning of course brings relevancy.

Poor metric with recruits. It's never one thing straight up - but are you arguing that players don't want to play near NYC in an NFL stadium you've lost it.

 

[Alsacs]

You're aware that Rice University is located in Houston, right?

They moved the game against Texas from a 47,000 seat stadium to a bigger facility 3 miles away, and sold 74,000 tickets.

Do you honestly think I don't know this. With more seats there is more room for Texas fans to turn the stadium into a neutral/home atmosphere in a road setting. Big teams don't want to play road games because they are tougher. Of course Rice will agree to these demands because Texas won't play them on campus. Syracuse is not Rice.

East Carolina moved home games from Grenville, NC to Charlotte, NC against Virginia Tech and South Carolina. ECU fills up their 50k home stadium but USC and VPI wanted bigger stadiums so their fans and the payout would be higher.

Syracuse acted like a mid major with these Notre Dame football games but thankfully it appears we are done with these type of series.

 

[Pat Kelly]

We are going to agree to disagree because he only way you become relevant is to win games. Playing good teams on national Tv is nice but winning and getting better bowls is how you get better recruits.
Name he recruits we have gotten because of these games.

Obviously winning helps. And this game is in no way a disincentive to recruits.

 

[Alsacs]

Money and exposure is the reason for the deal.

Winning of course brings relevancy.

Poor metric with recruits. It's never one thing straight up - but are you arguing that players don't want to play near NYC in an NFL stadium you've lost it.

Do me a favor I know your smart and I know you know my argument. I get yours as well please stop we are never going to agree on this.
Unlike others you don't give the answers others give. If I put you on a lie detector I think you admit these games make us look small time when we don't need them like we did in 2011.

Our recruiting in NYC has not improved to where we are getting the top 2-3 players in NYC.
Reddish was a commit prior to these games announced. Wayne Williams is only other top NYC kid I can remember. Our recruiting is why playing these games is not smart. We need 3 cupcakes and win 8 games multiple years in a row before playing these games.

 

[jec1521]

I benefit personally from the metlife games because I live 3 miles from the stadium. That being said, I cannot see how any recruit could have been impressed by Syracuse football in any way by Saturday night. Syracuse fans were, at most, 25% of the fans. The fact that it was a Syracuse" HOME game, with the big screens showing "Get Loud" and "DE-FENSE" while everybody was still quiet, was sad IMO.

 

[Alsacs]

I benefit personally from the metlife games because I live 3 miles from the stadium. That being said, I cannot see how any recruit could have been impressed by Syracuse football in any way by Saturday night. Syracuse fans were, at most, 25% of the fans. The fact that it was a Syracuse" HOME game, with the big screens showing "Get Loud" and "DE-FENSE" while everybody was still quiet, was sad IMO.

Wow somebody close to MetLife and objective about the facts. I didn't think we had any of people like you.
I love neutral site games but Saturday was a home game where our fans were outnumbered by the opponent's fans.

 

[Full_Rebar]

I'll continue to play devil's advocate on the recruiting angle. In a hypothetical where BC and SU are recruiting the same kid, which phone conversation goes better? (Note, I would never ask a recruit to respond to this, just trying to reinforce my point)

"Hey did you see our game in prime-time Saturday night on ABC? Yeah, we really took it to them and showed them what tough Northeastern football is about. It's just one game and that's why the staff wants guys like you to get to that next level each weekend - guys who are going to play hard and not worry about press clippings. Did you like those special uniforms we were wearing...yeah well let me tell you about the back-story for them"

Yes, BC has lost to Colo St and Pitt, but they beat USC and I'd bet more people will remember that as opposed to their final record this season.

 

[KaiserUEO]

Wow somebody close to MetLife and objective about the facts. I didn't think we had any of people like you.
I love neutral site games but Saturday was a home game where our fans were outnumbered by the opponent's fans.

the big screens with the 'get loud and defense' stuff was in the 2nd half. it was a little embarassing as we all new what the outcome would be.

but no way in GD HELL am i going to let you keep besmirching this game, one that you did not attend btw, by cherrypicking posts that support your position of it being a bad idea and hiding under up the ridiculous umbrella of being 'objective'.

in the 2nd half, we were clearly going to lose, the ORANGE faithfull had accepted their fate, not to mention everyones buzz was starting to wear off and those things just seemed stupid so nobody participated...just like they wouldve at the Dome...if they were even still in the building, but up to that point it was loud, it was Orange and everyone was having a great time.

 

[TheCusian]

Do me a favor I know your smart and I know you know my argument. I get yours as well please stop we are never going to agree on this.
Unlike others you don't give the answers others give. If I put you on a lie detector I think you admit these games make us look small time when we don't need them like we did in 2011.

Our recruiting in NYC has not improved to where we are getting the top 2-3 players in NYC.
Reddish was a commit prior to these games announced. Wayne Williams is only other top NYC kid I can remember. Our recruiting is why playing these games is not smart. We need 3 cupcakes and win 8 games multiple years in a row before playing these games.

I agree - that we will probably never agree on this topic .

You may be right about looking small time... I'd just rather be a team that tries to play with the big boys on a big stage than pull a Rutger's paper tiger schedule.

 

[Alsacs]

the big screens with the 'get loud and defense' stuff was in the 2nd half. it was a little embarassing as we all new what the outcome would be.

but no way in GD HELL am i going to let you keep besmirching this game, one that you did not attend btw, by cherrypicking posts that support your position of it being a bad idea and hiding under up the ridiculous umbrella of being 'objective'.

in the 2nd half, we were clearly going to lose, the ORANGE faithfull had accepted their fate, not to mention everyones buzz was starting to wear off and those things just seemed stupid so nobody participated...just like they wouldve at the Dome...if they were even still in the building, but up to that point it was loud, it was Orange and everyone was having a great time.

I was at MetLife for the USC game 2 years ago and I went to the Penn State game last year. I did not go this year because of my eternal dislike of this series with Notre Dame.
I understand you and others enjoyed this game, but the fact is this was a home game that we had less fans in attendance the opponent. I know you say 30k but no else has claimed that much. The most I have heard is 25k out of 71k. We had a lot of fans in attendance but that was because Notre Dame brought more fans than either USC or Penn State did. The fact these games are ending means either Syracuse didn't bring enough fans to make it financially reasonable or Dr.Gross/SUAD smartly pulled the plug on these home games 300 miles away from campus.

 

[OrangeXtreme]

I understand you and others enjoyed this game, but the fact is this was a home game that we had less fans in attendance the opponent.

Like that's never happened before. Did you attend the 2008 Penn State game in the Dome?

We had a lot of fans in attendance but that was because Notre Dame brought more fans than either USC or Penn State did. The fact these games are ending means either Syracuse didn't bring enough fans to make it financially reasonable or Dr.Gross/SUAD smartly pulled the plug on these home games 300 miles away from campus.

There were over 76,000 tickets sold, out of a possible 82,000. As long as that many tickets were sold, I'm sure that MetLife doesn't care whose fans bought them.

 

[KaiserUEO]

I was at MetLife for the USC game 2 years ago and I went to the Penn State game last year. I did not go this year because of my eternal dislike of this series with Notre Dame.
I understand you and others enjoyed this game, but the fact is this was a home game that we had less fans in attendance the opponent. I know you say 30k but no else has claimed that much. The most I have heard is 25k out of 71k. We had a lot of fans in attendance but that was because Notre Dame brought more fans than either USC or Penn State did. The fact these games are ending means either Syracuse didn't bring enough fans to make it financially reasonable or Dr.Gross/SUAD smartly pulled the plug on these home games 300 miles away from campus.

i didnt want to put an emphasis on attending or not, because im sure you or anyone else has a good reason for going or not going...all i meant was...unless one is there, they really shouldnt comment.

ill guarantee it was 30k. there was probably 25 in Orange and at least 5k more in blue or whatever, and im thinking im still low in numbers.

if the fact that this was 'designated' a home game irks you...then pretend it wasnt.

because it wasnt, the only home games are ones in the Dome, where we have 6 other scarcely attended games.

but if Syracuse being called the home team helped us get more $$ from metlife, the ACC or whomever, then amen...and so be it.

its notre freakin dame, when they play usc they get 40k in the collisium, so of course they are going to out number Syracuse in NYC, its widely acknowledged as a 2nd home for them.

 

[rrlbees]

ill guarantee it was 30k. there was probably 25 in Orange and at least 5k more in blue or whatever

How many were in gray?

 

[KaiserUEO]

How many were in gray?

hopefully the 80 masquerading as Orange in Grey have enough confused at home so no one knows who nd beat.

Pugh let me down and wore blue...and not even Giants blue, but he did have an Orange hat, Nassib had Orange on.

 

[orange79]

We had a lot of fans in attendance but that was because Notre Dame brought more fans than either USC or Penn State did.

Trying to understand your point here - are you saying that we brought more fans because the opponent brought more fans?