Searched for "3 tight end offense", is this where we are this fall

[BORZAK]

Found some interesting reads.

 

[RMH44]

Found some interesting reads.

A 12 personnel base package is 1= RB and 2=TE. Unless we count Custis and Aldy as TE's, I don't think we'll see many true 3 TE formations other than on the goal line.

 

[BORZAK]

Pretty sure coach Lester has said he has run this with success, and they look to be going that way. could not link the articles I saw. As well as the play charts... Leads to favorable match ups and multiple targets

 

[kcsu]

I think that Ash Custis and Aldy are going to be those hybrid WR/TE types.

 

[RMH44]

Pretty sure coach Lester has said he has run this with success, and they look to be going that way. could not link the articles I saw. As well as the play charts... Leads to favorable match ups and multiple targets

I agree. I did some research about the various personnel groupings, including the "12"and I can't wait to see how Lester implements it.

It has become very popular in the NFL. Teams that use the 12 package actually throw the ball almost 48% of the time on 1st down. Just because Lester is on record stating that we have to establish the run doesn't mean we won't be throwing the ball. All you have to do is look at the type of QB's we signed in this class to get an idea of where the offense is headed.

 

[BORZAK]

not a hunt fan but he might be able to run this as well as teach the younger qb's

 

[Cusester]

Don't want to be the grammar police but his name is Adly Enoicy not Aldy.

 

[Millhouse]

I agree. I did some research about the various personnel groupings, including the "12"and I can't wait to see how Lester implements it. It has become very popular in the NFL. Teams that use the 12 package actually throw the ball almost 48% of the time on 1st down. Just because Lester is on record stating that we have to establish the run doesn't mean we won't be throwing the ball. All you have to do is look at the type of QB's we signed in this class to get an idea of where the offense is headed.

There are so many nfl teams dying for versatile tight ends. There aren't that many out there. Match ups are only favorable when the tight ends are actually versatile enough to be inside or outside. I think it's a low probability bet in college when you can run other offenses that plug in pieces that don't need to be so versatile and rare

 

[MadNY3]

There are so many nfl teams dying for versatile tight ends. There aren't that many out there. Match ups are only favorable when the tight ends are actually versatile enough to be inside or outside. I think it's a low probability bet in college when you can run other offenses that plug in pieces that don't need to be so versatile and rare

This is the thing.

We are getting all excited about Trey D. Why?

If we haven't learned by now, we need to: the offensive identity doesn't mean squat if it comes without execution. That's all any of us want to see.

 

[TheCusian]

There are so many nfl teams dying for versatile tight ends. There aren't that many out there. Match ups are only favorable when the tight ends are actually versatile enough to be inside or outside. I think it's a low probability bet in college when you can run other offenses that plug in pieces that don't need to be so versatile and rare

It's relative - you need a Gronk in the NFL. In college a lesser player will be enough - as the defenders are not as fast or skilled.

 

[BORZAK]

There are so many nfl teams dying for versatile tight ends. There aren't that many out there. Match ups are only favorable when the tight ends are actually versatile enough to be inside or outside. I think it's a low probability bet in college when you can run other offenses that plug in pieces that don't need to be so versatile and rare

Ok then. But if no buddy is doing it, we seem to have fast large receivers/tight ends on the roster and committed already. A coach who wants to run it ---- and what seems to be difficult to defend with many schools defensive personel. This may be on the way to the Orange!

 

[BORZAK]

What a feeling if we open the season with this and in year three go 9-3 or 10-2

 

[anomander]

I agree. I did some research about the various personnel groupings, including the "12"and I can't wait to see how Lester implements it.

It has become very popular in the NFL. Teams that use the 12 package actually throw the ball almost 48% of the time on 1st down. Just because Lester is on record stating that we have to establish the run doesn't mean we won't be throwing the ball. All you have to do is look at the type of QB's we signed in this class to get an idea of where the offense is headed.

At the end of last year they moved Custis to TE...or at least that's where he was practicing since we didn't really see him in the game. Have to think that's where he will play this year? Otherwise why would you switch positions of a Freshman mid-season? My thoughts were they wanted to start getting him reps for the position he will play in Lester's offense. Would make sense in the "12" since don't you need 1 TE who is more on a blocker, and the other the receiver?

 

[SU68]

1st Down: Run up the middle; no gain.
2nd Down: Incomplete bubble pass (stop for review to see if it was a lateral pass)
3rd Down: Slant pass or off tackle for 5-8 yards.
4th Down: Punt.

 

[BORZAK]

See this

1st Down: Run up the middle; no gain.
2nd Down: Incomplete bubble pass (stop for review to see if it was a lateral pass)
3rd Down: Slant pass or off tackle for 5-8 yards.
4th Down: Punt.

Thanks why bother posting are you slow?

 

[upperdeck]

There are so many nfl teams dying for versatile tight ends. There aren't that many out there. Match ups are only favorable when the tight ends are actually versatile enough to be inside or outside. I think it's a low probability bet in college when you can run other offenses that plug in pieces that don't need to be so versatile and rare

if you run this style you dont need dynamic Te to get open and create mistmatches because teams tend to over play the run and let guys slip open. same as why TE near the goal line have a much easier time, guys get lost in the wash.

 

[Millhouse]

if you run this style you dont need dynamic Te to get open and create mistmatches because teams tend to over play the run and let guys slip open. same as why TE near the goal line have a much easier time, guys get lost in the wash.

Where are these dynamic two TE college offenses?

 

[Chip]

Where are these dynamic two TE college offenses?

They were banned from college football after the 2011 SU - West Virginia game.

 

[BORZAK]

Not able to link. See football times.org. 3 tight ends offense. For play charts

 

[GoSU96]

They were banned from college football after the 2011 SU - West Virginia game.

It would be a surprise to Wales and Stevens that they were on the field together in 2012.

 

[Millhouse]

It would be a surprise to Wales and Stevens that they were on the field together in 2012.

Not often. It was west sales and lemon

 

[Full_Rebar]

For all the talk about NE running a 12 personnel as the key to their success, I think what they do best is attack the opponent's weakness. What makes it work is Brady and the amount of preparation they do in practice (and time their players put in outside of practice). In the NFL, you can revise more week to week because you have more time, while in college you aren't going to see massive shifts in personnel groups/formations from game to game. Any way, here's what I found at PFF as part of a SB preview- note what they said about NE attacking the preferred defense of Seattle :

Key Personnel Groups

12 personnel (38.1% of plays)
Run-Pass Ratio: 70.0% pass, 30.0% run
Pass Success: 6.3 yards per attempt, 16 touchdowns, 6 interceptions
Run Success: 4.9 yards per attempt, 4 touchdowns

11 personnel (28.4% of plays)
Run-Pass Ratio: 75.1% pass, 24.9% run
Pass Success: 6.6 yards per attempt, 13 touchdowns, 4 interceptions
Run Success: 4.5 yards per attempt, 1 touchdown

The Seahawks’ defense is not one that sets out to confuse you and beat you with disguise. They play with a single-high safety closing the middle of the field on more than 84% of their snaps only rolling to that look from an “open” two-high look at the snap on 15.7% of their snaps. Obviously there are variations in play calls within this, but the Patriots will know what they are facing from the Seahawks’ defense.

When the Patriots lined up against a defense showing a “closed”, single-high defense this season they passed the ball 57% of the time and gained 7.7 yards per attempt with Tom Brady throwing a league-best 20 touchdowns with only two interceptions. His favorite targets against the single high look were Brandon LaFell (65 targets), Julian Edelman (61) with Rob Gronkowski only third by number of targets, though he did contribute eight touchdowns.

 

[BORZAK]

Lester spoke of 3 tight ends 1 running back and a wide receiver on multiple occassions

 

[Self_Estime]

Not able to link. See football times.org. 3 tight ends offense. For play charts

http://footballtimes.org/Article.asp?ID=218

 

[Dmcnabbrules]

You could run some interesting screens with 3 tight ends.