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Should Shafer be given a 3rd year? (LONG)

I ask this because the more I think about it, the more I think that retaining him will only delay the inevitable.

Listen, I like Scott Shafer as a man. I like his core values, his enthusiasm, and I just think he's a good person. But I also felt that way about GRob. And unfortunately, I'm starting to think that, like GRob, Shafer just doesn't have what it takes to be a successful Head Coach. Effective D-Coordinator, yes; HC, not so sure.

Now I'll be the first to admit, if he somehow leads this team to 3 straight wins and a bowl game, my opinion will change b/c he will have then pulled off a miracle and will have justly earned the right to remain HC.

But that 's not likely, imho. It's more likely that we lose all 3. Right now we're lucky to be 3-6 (should be 2-7; thanks Villanova kicker). We're likely NOT going bowling, and while recruiting has improved some (still not killing it), overall, there's just been nothing else that I've seen during Shafer's reign that leads me to believe that the program is definitively trending in the right direction. Since he's taken over, there have just been several poor decisions made on his part that have lead to what will likely be a losing record after his 1st two years at the helm.

There are various examples (Allen over Hunt, misuse of personnel & redshirts, several in-game decisions, etc.) but I'll focus on what I believe to be his most glaring and costly faux paus: The hiring and firing (essentially) of George McDonald.

In theory, it was a smart hire. Bring in a young up & coming coach whose true forte is recruiting; specifically recruiting in talent-rich South Florida. But to pry him away from the SEC job he held, SS had to offer him the OC spot. With that comes a degree of risk but it's a risk I think Shafer was wise to take.

But the problem is that he brings in a guy who wants to run a spread "N-Zone" attack that A) SU simply doesn't have the personnel to run effectively, and B) philosophically doesn't really mesh well with Shaf's wheelhouse which is tough, stifling defense. Everyone knows that ball control and a strong running game is a stout defenses' best friend. Three & outs are the enemy. Even a lousy (head) coach like Rex Ryan was initially able to win when he had the "ground-n-pound" thing working for him.

But this "N-Zone" system is a pass-first system that seems to de-emphasize the run game and instead relies on short passes and bubble screens, which are considered "long handoffs." The problem there is that you need an accurate QB and fast, dynamic playmakers for this offense to really click; components that SU didn't have at the time of the hire (and arguably, still doesn't). What they DID have was returning power back (now on an NFL roster) who had rushed for 1100 yds, and his sidekick who added another 800 yds & a bowl game MVP by exploding for 200+.

So to me, SS's 1st poor decision was moving to this all-shotgun, all-spread, pass-oriented attack when your personnel and strengths as a coach were better suited for a "multiple," more run-oriented style like Marrone/Hackett employed and like Harbaugh/Pep Hamilton ran at Stanford. Both of these balanced but run-oriented styles still incorporated enough passing to allow Andrew Luck to throw his way to the #1 pick and for Ryan Nassib to ascend to a 4th round pick. Why Shafer didn't choose to replicate the Marrone/Stanford approach is baffling to me, considering he was a part of both staffs and saw the successes first hand. Now we all suffer from the repercussions of that initial poor choice when we watch this mismatched, ineffective offensive system continually sputter & stumble every Saturday.

But as bad as choosing to fit the proverbial 'square peg in a round hole' with the GMac hire/N-Zone implementation, imho, demoting the man 18 games into his tenure as OC was an even worse decision. I mean, I know many fans wanted GM's head on a platter and were very pleased when they got it. But let's face it, folks: switching to Lester hasn't made a bit of damn difference on the scoreboard or in the W-L column. The offense sucked under McDonald and it still sucks under Lester. The differences are miniscule at best.

And the reason is pretty obvious: there is a dearth of big time, game changing talent @ the skill positions on this team. There's not one offensive player on this team that keeps opposing D-coordinators up at night. And while GMac may not have been the best play caller in the world, it really doesn't matter what you call when your QB is inaccurate, when your receivers regularly drop passes and your O-line is undisciplined, mistake-prone & often over-matched.

IMO, Shafer should have rode out the storm w/ McDonald and allowed him work through his struggles the same way Marrone allowed Hackett to work through his. And again, that's something Shafer was witness to but apparently didn't learn from it; not a good sign. McDonald is a bright guy and had he just been afforded the opportunity to grow into his new role the same way Hackett was, in the long run, the program would've been better off for it. While there was no guarantee GM would've "got it" the way NH did, I think Shafer would've been better served micro-managing GMac a little more, being more hands-on in the offensive game plan/play calling or maybe even bringing in a "consultant" to assist McDonald.

But by pulling the plug 18 games in and demoting GMac, Shafer has now virtually guaranteed his departure. And I believe that will ultimately prove to be something he (and we) will regret. While some folks try to diminish his accomplishments as a recruiter, I just have four words for you: Steve Ishmael, Miami Florida. Trying getting another player that damn talented out of Dade county to come to SU without GMac. And he was just getting started, imo. But by unwisely burning that bridge, which I believe Shafer has done, you still have a putrid offense but now you'll be without your ace recruiter who can bring in the kind of studs this team so desperately needs. And now you're kind of stuck w/ Lester as your OC for whatever that's worth (could be a good thing; could not) b/c I don't think Shafer will be able to attract a big time OC coming off of a (likely) losing season that will at the very minimum have his seat warm, if not flat out hot. To me, demoting GM was a reactionary panic move, not a well thought out, measured move; again, another bad sign, imo.

But whether you agree or disagree with the GMac demotion, I don't think it's unfair to say that Shafer's handling of the offensive side of the ball has been poor at best, bordering on incompetent, not unlike the Rex Ryans and GRobs of the world who continually change OCs and reshuffle the offensive deck only to end up in the same inept place.

Again, I really like Scott Shafer but I just don't see the sharpness, the certitude and clarity of vision that one often detects in a winning coach (in any sport). I think what we're seeing in Shaf is guy who's fiery & passionate, good at what he does (defense) but in over his head as a HC. Good Lieutenants don't always make good Generals and I'm afraid that's what we're seeing unfold w/ SS.

And we've all seen this movie before. It rarely ends well.

So back to my original question: Assuming Shafer doesn't run the table, does Gross (or the next AD if there is to be one) give SS a third year to try to right the ship? Or does he see another GRob situation developing and cut his losses now like he erroneously DIDN'T do with Robinson? Your thoughts.


i think the n zone might suck. force feeding bubble screens as "extensions of the run game" is stupid but it does differentiate the n zone from the million other teams that run similar spreads. smart from mazzone's marketing perspective, stupid for us.
 
Why can't a genius like you wait until after the last 3 games , which you graciously said that Scott could keep his job if he won. Do you think your making his job easier by turning up the heat on him. Can't you be at least that supportive and patient of a fan.
Thanks for calling me a genius. Always knew I was smart but never thought genius smart. Thanks for the clarification.;)

As to me turning up the heat on Shafer for posting on a message board, I think Shafer is putting said heat on himself with his team's performance every week. I'm just a fan responding to what I see. Shafer's destiny is in Shafer's hands, not mine.
 
Stanford would. I was trying to think of any school that only gave a coach 2 years, and all I could come up with was Walt Harris at Stanford. Circumstances might be a little different when you're an assistant who is elevated instead of a guy from the outside, but having said that, I'd be shocked by any change.

It really will be an issue next year. If we end up with 3 wins, what are they going to expect next year? Next year's schedule looks to have at least 4 built in Ls and there will only be 1 bye week. Have to go 6-2 the rest of the way to save the job?

Is Shafer trying to strategically lay the ground work to save his job with these recent public statements about needing time to develop players that are under the radar?
i bet some posters here were just mortified that stanford got rid of chapstick for such an unproven coach from u of san diego
 
I ask this because the more I think about it, the more I think that retaining him will only delay the inevitable.

Listen, I like Scott Shafer as a man. I like his core values, his enthusiasm, and I just think he's a good person. But I also felt that way about GRob. And unfortunately, I'm starting to think that, like GRob, Shafer just doesn't have what it takes to be a successful Head Coach. Effective D-Coordinator, yes; HC, not so sure.

Now I'll be the first to admit, if he somehow leads this team to 3 straight wins and a bowl game, my opinion will change b/c he will have then pulled off a miracle and will have justly earned the right to remain HC.

But that 's not likely, imho. It's more likely that we lose all 3. Right now we're lucky to be 3-6 (should be 2-7; thanks Villanova kicker). We're likely NOT going bowling, and while recruiting has improved some (still not killing it), overall, there's just been nothing else that I've seen during Shafer's reign that leads me to believe that the program is definitively trending in the right direction. Since he's taken over, there have just been several poor decisions made on his part that have lead to what will likely be a losing record after his 1st two years at the helm.

There are various examples (Allen over Hunt, misuse of personnel & redshirts, several in-game decisions, etc.) but I'll focus on what I believe to be his most glaring and costly faux paus: The hiring and firing (essentially) of George McDonald.

In theory, it was a smart hire. Bring in a young up & coming coach whose true forte is recruiting; specifically recruiting in talent-rich South Florida. But to pry him away from the SEC job he held, SS had to offer him the OC spot. With that comes a degree of risk but it's a risk I think Shafer was wise to take.

But the problem is that he brings in a guy who wants to run a spread "N-Zone" attack that A) SU simply doesn't have the personnel to run effectively, and B) philosophically doesn't really mesh well with Shaf's wheelhouse which is tough, stifling defense. Everyone knows that ball control and a strong running game is a stout defenses' best friend. Three & outs are the enemy. Even a lousy (head) coach like Rex Ryan was initially able to win when he had the "ground-n-pound" thing working for him.

But this "N-Zone" system is a pass-first system that seems to de-emphasize the run game and instead relies on short passes and bubble screens, which are considered "long handoffs." The problem there is that you need an accurate QB and fast, dynamic playmakers for this offense to really click; components that SU didn't have at the time of the hire (and arguably, still doesn't). What they DID have was returning power back (now on an NFL roster) who had rushed for 1100 yds, and his sidekick who added another 800 yds & a bowl game MVP by exploding for 200+.

So to me, SS's 1st poor decision was moving to this all-shotgun, all-spread, pass-oriented attack when your personnel and strengths as a coach were better suited for a "multiple," more run-oriented style like Marrone/Hackett employed and like Harbaugh/Pep Hamilton ran at Stanford. Both of these balanced but run-oriented styles still incorporated enough passing to allow Andrew Luck to throw his way to the #1 pick and for Ryan Nassib to ascend to a 4th round pick. Why Shafer didn't choose to replicate the Marrone/Stanford approach is baffling to me, considering he was a part of both staffs and saw the successes first hand. Now we all suffer from the repercussions of that initial poor choice when we watch this mismatched, ineffective offensive system continually sputter & stumble every Saturday.

But as bad as choosing to fit the proverbial 'square peg in a round hole' with the GMac hire/N-Zone implementation, imho, demoting the man 18 games into his tenure as OC was an even worse decision. I mean, I know many fans wanted GM's head on a platter and were very pleased when they got it. But let's face it, folks: switching to Lester hasn't made a bit of damn difference on the scoreboard or in the W-L column. The offense sucked under McDonald and it still sucks under Lester. The differences are miniscule at best.

And the reason is pretty obvious: there is a dearth of big time, game changing talent @ the skill positions on this team. There's not one offensive player on this team that keeps opposing D-coordinators up at night. And while GMac may not have been the best play caller in the world, it really doesn't matter what you call when your QB is inaccurate, when your receivers regularly drop passes and your O-line is undisciplined, mistake-prone & often over-matched.

IMO, Shafer should have rode out the storm w/ McDonald and allowed him work through his struggles the same way Marrone allowed Hackett to work through his. And again, that's something Shafer was witness to but apparently didn't learn from it; not a good sign. McDonald is a bright guy and had he just been afforded the opportunity to grow into his new role the same way Hackett was, in the long run, the program would've been better off for it. While there was no guarantee GM would've "got it" the way NH did, I think Shafer would've been better served micro-managing GMac a little more, being more hands-on in the offensive game plan/play calling or maybe even bringing in a "consultant" to assist McDonald.

But by pulling the plug 18 games in and demoting GMac, Shafer has now virtually guaranteed his departure. And I believe that will ultimately prove to be something he (and we) will regret. While some folks try to diminish his accomplishments as a recruiter, I just have four words for you: Steve Ishmael, Miami Florida. Trying getting another player that damn talented out of Dade county to come to SU without GMac. And he was just getting started, imo. But by unwisely burning that bridge, which I believe Shafer has done, you still have a putrid offense but now you'll be without your ace recruiter who can bring in the kind of studs this team so desperately needs. And now you're kind of stuck w/ Lester as your OC for whatever that's worth (could be a good thing; could not) b/c I don't think Shafer will be able to attract a big time OC coming off of a (likely) losing season that will at the very minimum have his seat warm, if not flat out hot. To me, demoting GM was a reactionary panic move, not a well thought out, measured move; again, another bad sign, imo.

But whether you agree or disagree with the GMac demotion, I don't think it's unfair to say that Shafer's handling of the offensive side of the ball has been poor at best, bordering on incompetent, not unlike the Rex Ryans and GRobs of the world who continually change OCs and reshuffle the offensive deck only to end up in the same inept place.

Again, I really like Scott Shafer but I just don't see the sharpness, the certitude and clarity of vision that one often detects in a winning coach (in any sport). I think what we're seeing in Shaf is guy who's fiery & passionate, good at what he does (defense) but in over his head as a HC. Good Lieutenants don't always make good Generals and I'm afraid that's what we're seeing unfold w/ SS.

And we've all seen this movie before. It rarely ends well.

So back to my original question: Assuming Shafer doesn't run the table, does Gross (or the next AD if there is to be one) give SS a third year to try to right the ship? Or does he see another GRob situation developing and cut his losses now like he erroneously DIDN'T do with Robinson? Your thoughts.


Should they give him third year? No. Hire someone smart

Will they? Yes. Which is fine with me. I can wait. A year or two is no time at this point, it'll happen soon enough, whatever
 
If SU gets beat badly the last three games.....then there is 0% chance he gets fired. Saw interview with Gross on TWS during hoop game. O %
 
You are, no doubt, right. But, Shafer has to totally rethink his approach because it simply isn't working.

I would like him gone if there aren't wholesale changes in the offensive staff. But unless we get outscored by 150 in the next 3 games I doubt it happens.
 
If SU gets beat badly the last three games...then there is 0% chance he gets fired. Saw interview with Gross on TWS during hoop game. O %
not surprising.

in order to defeat the evil empire of losses...we dont just need to get rid of darth vader, we need to get rid of the emperor.
 
elimunelson said:
I agree with a ton of what was written but the most troubling is we are in debt for the IPF. I thought the infusion of the ACC money would make any talk of "debt" a distant memory. How on earth do we have expensive non revenue coaches and we can't even fathom canning a HC who isn't doing his job and who is making low money for ACC standards for HC. This is concerning more than anything else. To take this argument further, i have to assume football was going away if we didn't get into the ACC.

Different funding streams.
 
elimunelson said:
is the good doctor remotely under fire? That's the first time i've heard that. Is it dependent on the sanctions in hoops or something? Guy has done nothing but fall into Marrone, let Boeheim run his ship. The rest IMO is him knowing how to use the internet and marketing the program somewhat effectively. Jake had no interest in marketing the program for recruits or fans. The program sold itself (according to him).

Yes.
 
You guys would've all fired David Cutliffe at Duke.

2008 / 4-8
2009 / 5-7
2010 / 3-9
2011 / 3-9
2012 / 6-7
2013 / 10-4
20014 / 7-1

He must have shown a lot of promise going 21-40 those first 5 years.
i would have more patience for guys who know how to coach qbs

cutcliffe is also smarter about 4th downs
 
Holy Shnikes, at a certain point if we're going to move forward and get better than mediocre we have to take advantage of the Dome and employ the type of offensive schemes that other successful offenses are running. Either that, or we go straight innovation and do something completely new and unique that nobody's doing.

I am so sick of our own fans wanting ugly @ss, low ceiling football.

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Thanks for calling me a genius. Always knew I was smart but never thought genius smart. Thanks for the clarification.;)

As to me turning up the heat on Shafer for posting on a message board, I think Shafer is putting said heat on himself with his team's performance every week. I'm just a fan responding to what I see. Shafer's destiny is in Shafer's hands, not mine.
Where has this team quit. Even in the face of a very tough schedule and injuries to many of the top offensive players . We are down to a true freshman Qb , who is right on the verge of being able to be effective. A hand full of plays and the script would be flipped. This isn't some pathetic team that has given up on themselves. I have seen teams like this turn the corner many times. And this team is going to as well.
 
You guys would've all fired David Cutliffe at Duke.

2008 / 4-8
2009 / 5-7
2010 / 3-9
2011 / 3-9
2012 / 6-7
2013 / 10-4
20014 / 7-1

He must have shown a lot of promise going 21-40 those first 5 years.
Syracuse is not dook football.

which i suppose is one of our problems, how we think. its like those rob lowe commercials. we think we are him, but in reality we are slub version of him.

we are closer to dook...ie: a C or D level P5, than to say a mich & miss st B level, who can rise up and take a shot...
 
Syracuse is not dook football.

which i suppose is one of our problems, how we think. its like those rob lowe commercials. we think we are him, but in reality we are slub version of him.

we are closer to dook...ie: a C or D level P5, than to say a mich & miss st B level, who can rise up and take a shot...
i would set my dvr for a creepy rob lowe sitcom
 
To the OP's point about the N Zone offense ... if I recall correctly there was talk of how running that type of offense would attract a higher caliber of recruit to Syracuse. We were desperately in need of wide receivers and, if we ran an offense where they played the central role, we might be able to turn that position around. Am I crazy to recall such things being said?

I think McDonald set himself up to be demoted with his comments to the paper on his own play calling. He did not demonstrate a whole lot of seriousness and care to his craft in a public forum. And then his reaction after demotion really confirmed that he wasn't ready for such a high profile role. We'll lose him but if we weren't going to be able to promote him then we were going to lose him anyway.

I understand the question so much as we are all frustrated by this year's team, most every poster here at least *hoped* that development was a straight line with positive movement every year (many of us *believed* that to be true.) Clearly, our development will be in fits and spurts. Even if HCSS was canned today that development would continue unevenly, might even get worse, so I think we just stick with Scott and see if he can't figure it out.

The one thing I always believed about Greggers was that he didn't give a rat's ass about Syracuse. I don't get that from HCSS. You can't succeed without a passion for what you do, HCSS has that passion and we might be rewarded yet by his relentlessness. That was part of the hope in hiring him, I think that is what keeps me believing despite this season.
 
This isn't some pathetic team that has given up on themselves. I have seen teams like this turn the corner many times. And this team is going to as well.
Hey man, I'm all for it! I hope you're right. I want Shafer to succeed. I'm just not sure he has the chops to do it but I most certainly hope he does. Guess we'll see.
 
I think McDonald set himself up to be demoted with his comments to the paper on his own play calling. He did not demonstrate a whole lot of seriousness and care to his craft in a public forum.
I really do think it's possible that article set the stage for his demotion. If that doesn't run, maybe he gets more time.
 
He's not going anywhere unless, as Kaiser notes above, Gross gets canned and the new AD decides he wants to shake things up after year 3.

Our only short term hope is that Coach Hardhead hires a good OC in the off season who quickly rights the train wreck of an offense we currently have. I'm not so hopeful though believing we are more likely to get some mediocre MAC retread who previously coached with SS.

If the NCAA sanctions are significant I could see Gross getting his walking papers.
 
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I ask this because the more I think about it, the more I think that retaining him will only delay the inevitable.

Listen, I like Scott Shafer as a man. I like his core values, his enthusiasm, and I just think he's a good person. But I also felt that way about GRob. And unfortunately, I'm starting to think that, like GRob, Shafer just doesn't have what it takes to be a successful Head Coach. Effective D-Coordinator, yes; HC, not so sure.

Now I'll be the first to admit, if he somehow leads this team to 3 straight wins and a bowl game, my opinion will change b/c he will have then pulled off a miracle and will have justly earned the right to remain HC.

But that 's not likely, imho. It's more likely that we lose all 3. Right now we're lucky to be 3-6 (should be 2-7; thanks Villanova kicker). We're likely NOT going bowling, and while recruiting has improved some (still not killing it), overall, there's just been nothing else that I've seen during Shafer's reign that leads me to believe that the program is definitively trending in the right direction. Since he's taken over, there have just been several poor decisions made on his part that have lead to what will likely be a losing record after his 1st two years at the helm.

There are various examples (Allen over Hunt, misuse of personnel & redshirts, several in-game decisions, etc.) but I'll focus on what I believe to be his most glaring and costly faux paus: The hiring and firing (essentially) of George McDonald.

In theory, it was a smart hire. Bring in a young up & coming coach whose true forte is recruiting; specifically recruiting in talent-rich South Florida. But to pry him away from the SEC job he held, SS had to offer him the OC spot. With that comes a degree of risk but it's a risk I think Shafer was wise to take.

But the problem is that he brings in a guy who wants to run a spread "N-Zone" attack that A) SU simply doesn't have the personnel to run effectively, and B) philosophically doesn't really mesh well with Shaf's wheelhouse which is tough, stifling defense. Everyone knows that ball control and a strong running game is a stout defenses' best friend. Three & outs are the enemy. Even a lousy (head) coach like Rex Ryan was initially able to win when he had the "ground-n-pound" thing working for him.

But this "N-Zone" system is a pass-first system that seems to de-emphasize the run game and instead relies on short passes and bubble screens, which are considered "long handoffs." The problem there is that you need an accurate QB and fast, dynamic playmakers for this offense to really click; components that SU didn't have at the time of the hire (and arguably, still doesn't). What they DID have was returning power back (now on an NFL roster) who had rushed for 1100 yds, and his sidekick who added another 800 yds & a bowl game MVP by exploding for 200+.

So to me, SS's 1st poor decision was moving to this all-shotgun, all-spread, pass-oriented attack when your personnel and strengths as a coach were better suited for a "multiple," more run-oriented style like Marrone/Hackett employed and like Harbaugh/Pep Hamilton ran at Stanford. Both of these balanced but run-oriented styles still incorporated enough passing to allow Andrew Luck to throw his way to the #1 pick and for Ryan Nassib to ascend to a 4th round pick. Why Shafer didn't choose to replicate the Marrone/Stanford approach is baffling to me, considering he was a part of both staffs and saw the successes first hand. Now we all suffer from the repercussions of that initial poor choice when we watch this mismatched, ineffective offensive system continually sputter & stumble every Saturday.

But as bad as choosing to fit the proverbial 'square peg in a round hole' with the GMac hire/N-Zone implementation, imho, demoting the man 18 games into his tenure as OC was an even worse decision. I mean, I know many fans wanted GM's head on a platter and were very pleased when they got it. But let's face it, folks: switching to Lester hasn't made a bit of damn difference on the scoreboard or in the W-L column. The offense sucked under McDonald and it still sucks under Lester. The differences are miniscule at best.

And the reason is pretty obvious: there is a dearth of big time, game changing talent @ the skill positions on this team. There's not one offensive player on this team that keeps opposing D-coordinators up at night. And while GMac may not have been the best play caller in the world, it really doesn't matter what you call when your QB is inaccurate, when your receivers regularly drop passes and your O-line is undisciplined, mistake-prone & often over-matched.

IMO, Shafer should have rode out the storm w/ McDonald and allowed him work through his struggles the same way Marrone allowed Hackett to work through his. And again, that's something Shafer was witness to but apparently didn't learn from it; not a good sign. McDonald is a bright guy and had he just been afforded the opportunity to grow into his new role the same way Hackett was, in the long run, the program would've been better off for it. While there was no guarantee GM would've "got it" the way NH did, I think Shafer would've been better served micro-managing GMac a little more, being more hands-on in the offensive game plan/play calling or maybe even bringing in a "consultant" to assist McDonald.

But by pulling the plug 18 games in and demoting GMac, Shafer has now virtually guaranteed his departure. And I believe that will ultimately prove to be something he (and we) will regret. While some folks try to diminish his accomplishments as a recruiter, I just have four words for you: Steve Ishmael, Miami Florida. Trying getting another player that damn talented out of Dade county to come to SU without GMac. And he was just getting started, imo. But by unwisely burning that bridge, which I believe Shafer has done, you still have a putrid offense but now you'll be without your ace recruiter who can bring in the kind of studs this team so desperately needs. And now you're kind of stuck w/ Lester as your OC for whatever that's worth (could be a good thing; could not) b/c I don't think Shafer will be able to attract a big time OC coming off of a (likely) losing season that will at the very minimum have his seat warm, if not flat out hot. To me, demoting GM was a reactionary panic move, not a well thought out, measured move; again, another bad sign, imo.

But whether you agree or disagree with the GMac demotion, I don't think it's unfair to say that Shafer's handling of the offensive side of the ball has been poor at best, bordering on incompetent, not unlike the Rex Ryans and GRobs of the world who continually change OCs and reshuffle the offensive deck only to end up in the same inept place.

Again, I really like Scott Shafer but I just don't see the sharpness, the certitude and clarity of vision that one often detects in a winning coach (in any sport). I think what we're seeing in Shaf is guy who's fiery & passionate, good at what he does (defense) but in over his head as a HC. Good Lieutenants don't always make good Generals and I'm afraid that's what we're seeing unfold w/ SS.

And we've all seen this movie before. It rarely ends well.

So back to my original question: Assuming Shafer doesn't run the table, does Gross (or the next AD if there is to be one) give SS a third year to try to right the ship? Or does he see another GRob situation developing and cut his losses now like he erroneously DIDN'T do with Robinson? Your thoughts.


Imagine you walk into a dumpster-fire of a job, where everything is 5 years behind where it should be. You have a mountain of things to overcome, just to get back to status-quo. You also are asked to work with a staff that is barely average ( the players ) and are only given 2 quarters in a business year to figure it all out and get out of the red. This is what Shafer was put up against. YES, i realize he knew what he was walking into, and he hired his own staff. He was still using Marrone's players that were recruited for a different style than Shafer is running, and the guys Shafer HAS recruited are some of the few bright spots we have seen this season. Give the guy a chance. We have been in almost every game this year..even against FSU and Clemson. He needs at least 2 more years to show what he is capable of.
 
I would add to this that the team was totally unprepared to start the season. The performance against Villanova was beyond baffling. Then, after a solid win against a crummy CMU team, they looked equally baffled against a mediocre Maryland team. This lack of strategic and mental preparation makes me wonder if the epidemic of injuries doesn't indicate a lack of physical preparation as well. This begs the question: "What were they doing all Spring and Summer?"

To your point about recruting, I think Ishmael is great, but he was a 3-star, not an immediate game-changer who would, as you say, keep defensive coordinators "up at night." McDonald was OK as a recruiter but nothing special, as the current class of 3-stars suggests.


Keep in mind in regards to the injuries... our strength and conditioning coaches changed the way the prepare the team this year in order to work with a faster paced offense. I am not saying that this was a mistake, but i personally believe it to be a reason for alot of the injuries we are not accustomed to. That and A LOT of bad luck.
 
don't even need to read the long post. He stays for 2 more years and if we cant get it together by then, move on. Unless of course there is something Petrino motorcycle stunt issue.
 

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