So is this Lester's offense?

[OttoinGrotto]

Are we still running McDonald's stuff? Or have we started transitioning to Lester's scheme?

I think this is a really, really important question right now.

 

[NKR1978]

Does it matter? Lester makes terrible decisions regardless of scheme.

 

[TexanMark]

We are GRob bad right now...so painful to watch. Shafer is on the clock (to me).

 

[NKR1978]

Two option plays to the short side of the field. Just brilliant. Seriously, can we leave him in Pittsburgh?

 

[boog7]

Two option plays to the short side of the field. Just brilliant. Seriously, can we leave him in Pittsburgh?

What was that about? Lester is a very medicore OC -- and he doesn't have the fall back of being an ace recruiter to make up for it. Lester=no upside.

 

[OrangeMaNPD]

#FreeMcDonald

 

[OttoinGrotto]

#FreeMcDonald

We're in a bad spot there.

We need his recruiting. If he goes, doubtful we'll be able to pull in an equivalent recruiter. If he stays, I think he could give us more upside than Lester as OC. If he becomes OC again, you've REALLY got to question Shafer though.

I had my eye on 2015 as the year we really play well for so long, and now I'm just not optimistic that we can compete very well next season.

 

[baggerbob]

Two option plays to the short side of the field. Just brilliant. Seriously, can we leave him in Pittsburgh?

That made me have nightmares, that George was back calling plays for us, and that's not a good thing.

 

[TheCusian]

Are we still running McDonald's stuff? Or have we started transitioning to Lester's scheme? I think this is a really, really important question right now.

It's McDonalds. He said all week in his media appearances that there was not enough time to install anything and they are going to keep it the same till the offseason.

 

[CanadianSU]

We are GRob bad right now...so painful to watch. Shafer is on the clock (to me).

absolutely.

 

[KevMonstah]

I fail to see the point of continuing to run a hurry up offense which succeeds in only hurrying up to
give the ball back to the opponent. I checked ... four 3 & and possessions which took under a minute
today, with the shortest (38 seconds) being when Kimble got in and went run-inc-inc-punt. Is that
really how you want to get a new QB eased into the game? The first possession took 48 seconds. That
is just not how to want to start off a game.

Kev

 

[Shrmdougluvr]

What was that about? Lester is a very medicore OC -- and he doesn't have the fall back of being an ace recruiter to make up for it. Lester=no upside.

Herein lies part of the problem - Lester is probably the second best recruiter on the staff (with Acosta now on board, that probably isnt true anymore). He recruits the rest of Florida and is pivotal in the greater-Chicago area. If you are going to lose McDonald and Lester, might as well blow up the whole thing.

 

[Chris02M]

We are GRob bad right now...so painful to watch. Shafer is on the clock (to me).

we are bad but not that bad. Grob days we struggled to beat mac team we whooped our mac opponent this yr

 

[OttoinGrotto]

I fail to see the point of continuing to run a hurry up offense which succeeds in only hurrying up to
give the ball back to the opponent. I checked ... four 3 & and possessions which took under a minute
today, with the shortest (38 seconds) being when Kimble got in and went run-inc-inc-punt. Is that
really how you want to get a new QB eased into the game? The first possession took 48 seconds. That
is just not how to want to start off a game.

Kev

So here's the funny thing...

If you look at our "ball control" offense years, which I'll call 2010 and 2011, since those were the years we really emphasized the run over the pass, we didn't exactly control the ball.

In 2010, we only won TOP 3 times all season. If my math is right, we averaged 27:53 of possession per game.

In 2011, we won TOP 4 times, and were dead even with an opponent once. We averaged 29:11 of possession per game.

No matter how you slice it, we're just bad at offense.

 

[OburgOrange]

we are bad but not that bad. Grob days we struggled to beat mac team we whooped our mac opponent this yr

:rolling:

Sorry Chris. Can't help it. It's been that kind of year

 

[MaxwellCuse]

Why is everyone so surprised we lost to Pitt today? Don't expect much different against BC. We just aren't very good right now. I'd like to see Shafer turn things around next year, but it is beginning to look questionable. Still, Shafer gets another year. My biggest concern is that we go sub-.500 again in 2015 and SU is too cheap to swallow buying out Scott's last two years. My other big concern is that Dr. Gross is allowed free rein to hire the next HC.

 

[rocklloyd]

On local radio, Lester has said that's it's impossible to change scheme in mid season. he's tweaked a few things, but won't get a change to install his stuff until off season. So we're limping along.

 

[rocklloyd]

Why is everyone so surprised we lost to Pitt today? Don't expect much different against BC. We just aren't very good right now. I'd like to see Shafer turn things around next year, but it is beginning to look questionable. Still, Shafer gets another year. My biggest concern is that we go sub-.500 again in 2015 and SU is too cheap to swallow buying out Scott's last two years. My other big concern is that Dr. Gross is allowed free rein to hire the next HC.

I don't think anyone is surprised. I expected to lose final 2 games. What bothers me is that we had nothing to lose but acted like we were in Super Bowl tied in 4th quarter by punting.

 

[phil77]

I do not care whose offense it is or anything like that. Lester had 2 weeks to game plan for PITT and show what he was made of as a game planner and offensive coach. He failed. I am beginning to think we have to go to triple tight end sets not to dumb it down for our players but to dumb it down for our coaches. Our coaching this year has let the players down...

 

[SUFan44]

I don't care what offense you have installed - the fact of the matter is the plays being called aren't the right ones. The option plays haven't worked all year and we run back to back of the same one and nearly throw the ball to the other team on both.

Just shockingly bad.

 

[baggerbob]

I don't care what offense you have installed - the fact of the matter is the plays being called aren't the right ones. The option plays haven't worked all year and we run back to back of the same one and nearly throw the ball to the other team on both.

Just shockingly bad.

The option to the short side of the field never works, unless you have a blocker like Rob Konrad to take out the DE, and a linebacker.

 

[Crusty]

Seriously, who would hire someone like this for a P5 OC?
Lester's vaunted offense at Elmhurst:
2008 7-3 conference 4-3
2009 4-6 conference 1-6
2010 6-4 conference 3-4
2011 6-4 conference 4-3
2012 10-2 conference 6-1
In 2013 he had a all star running back.
They played in the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
Wheaton
North Central
Augustana
Elmhurst
Illinois Wesleyan
Carthage
North Park
Millikin

 

[supp]

Seriously, who would hire someone like this for a P5 OC?
Lester's vaunted offense at Elmhurst:
2008 7-3 conference 4-3
2009 4-6 conference 1-6
2010 6-4 conference 3-4
2011 6-4 conference 4-3
2012 10-2 conference 6-1
In 2013 he had a all star running back.
They played in the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
Wheaton
North Central
Augustana
Elmhurst
Illinois Wesleyan
Carthage
North Park
Millikin

It's a good point. There is certainly coaching talent at the lower levels of college ball, but the bar has to be set higher for judging it. The reason being that the vast majority of coaches you're competing against are likely not worthy of ever coaching at a higher level. So if you are a D-1 caliber coach running an offense or a program at a lower level, your record should reflect that. You should be closer to dominant than just good to middling. Based on his record, Lester is clearly not a bad coach but he certainly didn't prove himself to be great either. Maybe he gets there. I don't know if he has that kind of time at this level.

 

[CuseOnly]

Seriously, who would hire someone like this for a P5 OC?
Lester's vaunted offense at Elmhurst:
2008 7-3 conference 4-3
2009 4-6 conference 1-6
2010 6-4 conference 3-4
2011 6-4 conference 4-3
2012 10-2 conference 6-1
In 2013 he had a all star running back.
They played in the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
Wheaton
North Central
Augustana
Elmhurst
Illinois Wesleyan
Carthage
North Park
Millikin

The only difference between being an OC there and here is that the athletes are bigger stronger and faster. If we are looking for a super intelligent innovator on offense, good luck. They are all either at Oregon or in the NFL and those guys like to be paid...handsomely I might add which is something we will not do.

Rich Rod wasn't a genius at WVU, he went to Michigan and proved he wasn't the genius everyone thought he was on offense. So what did he do...he went to a conference his offense would work...the Pac12.

 

[TheCusian]

Seriously, who would hire someone like this for a P5 OC?
Lester's vaunted offense at Elmhurst:
2008 7-3 conference 4-3
2009 4-6 conference 1-6
2010 6-4 conference 3-4
2011 6-4 conference 4-3
2012 10-2 conference 6-1
In 2013 he had a all star running back.
They played in the College Conference of Illinois and Wisconsin
Wheaton
North Central
Augustana
Elmhurst
Illinois Wesleyan
Carthage
North Park
Millikin

I'll look up the post where I did the math - but his offenses were in the top third of all of d3. His last season there (not his best) had them ranked in the 50's. Since there are more D3 than D1 - it's equivalent to a top 20 offense in D1.