So is this Lester's offense?

[Millhouse]

I fail to see the point of continuing to run a hurry up offense which succeeds in only hurrying up to
give the ball back to the opponent. I checked ... four 3 & and possessions which took under a minute
today, with the shortest (38 seconds) being when Kimble got in and went run-inc-inc-punt. Is that
really how you want to get a new QB eased into the game? The first possession took 48 seconds. That
is just not how to want to start off a game.

Kev

three and outs don't take much time when you huddle either

 

[Millhouse]

I'll look up the post where I did the math - but his offenses were in the top third of all of d3. His last season there (not his best) had them ranked in the 50's. Since there are more D3 than D1 - it's equivalent to a top 20 offense in D1.

since there are more d3 teams, that also probably means there are lots of d3 coaches better than him

i think the coaching community is nuts but not so nuts where coaches in D3 are as good as coaches in D1

top third in D3, we gotta do better than that

 

[TheCusian]

since there are more d3 teams, that also probably means there are lots of d3 coaches better than him

i think the coaching community is nuts but not so nuts where coaches in D3 are as good as coaches in D1

top third in D3, we gotta do better than that

I agree with you. But to say he sucked at his last stop is not true.

 

[Millhouse]

I agree with you. But to say he sucked at his last stop is not true.

who said that

 

[TheCusian]

who said that

Crusty implied it by giving w-l records as opposed to offensive ranking.

 

[Millhouse]

Crusty implied it by giving w-l records as opposed to offensive ranking.

uh no he didn't imply that

 

[Crusty]

I agree with you. But to say he sucked at his last stop is not true.

Did I say he sucked at his last stop? You inferred it I did not imply it. I am simply saying that the best hire for a P5 program is not a DIII coach with a so-so record. If we can't afford anyone other than that I will simply lower my expectations for the program.

 

[Crusty]

The only difference between being an OC there and here is that the athletes are bigger stronger and faster. If we are looking for a super intelligent innovator on offense, good luck. They are all either at Oregon or in the NFL and those guys like to be paid...handsomely I might add which is something we will not do.

Rich Rod wasn't a genius at WVU, he went to Michigan and proved he wasn't the genius everyone thought he was on offense. So what did he do...he went to a conference his offense would work...the Pac12.

I think there are huge differences. The defenses are much more sophisticated; things like good press coverage are much more difficult to deal with. In DIII everyone is open and in D1 you have to scheme them open. There is just no comparison.

 

[TheCusian]

Did I say he sucked at his last stop? You inferred it I did not imply it. I am simply saying that the best hire for a P5 program is not a DIII coach with a so-so record. If we can't afford anyone other than that I will simply lower my expectations for the program.

Why include the w-l record then? He's not here to coach defense. There are other metrics available to judge his offenses by.

 

[Millhouse]

Why include the w-l record then? He's not here to coach defense. There are other metrics available to judge his offenses by.

there aren't very good stats available for d3 football. because d3 football is horrible and no one cares about it. which is why no one does backflips over consistent top 50 offenses

 

[Crusty]

Why include the w-l record then? He's not here to coach defense. There are other metrics available to judge his offenses by.

Look, he was head coach so his record matters. If you think it doesn't then we will just have to agree to disagree. If you have other metrics great, I would love to see them.

 

[TheCusian]

there aren't very good stats available for d3 football. because d3 football is horrible and no one cares about it. which is why no one does backflips over consistent top 50 offenses

It's still a better metric than w-l. And you used these offensive stats to try to prove a point just last week.

 

[TheCusian]

Look, he was head coach so his record matters. If you think it doesn't then we will just have to agree to disagree. If you have other metrics great, I would love to see them.

It matters less than his offensive numbers which were good. See this thread.

 

[Millhouse]

It's still a better metric than w-l. And you used these offensive stats to try to prove a point just last week.

and it was a giant pain in the @ss

lester here 15 ppg, 296 ypg, 95 qb rating

That's gerg like

 

[TheCusian]

and it was a giant pain in the @ss

lester here 15 ppg, 296 ypg, 95 qb rating

That's gerg like

Those are McDonalds numbers. This offense is not Lesters.

 

[Chip]

I do not care whose offense it is or anything like that. Lester had 2 weeks to game plan for PITT and show what he was made of as a game planner and offensive coach. He failed. I am beginning to think we have to go to triple tight end sets not to dumb it down for our players but to dumb it down for our coaches. Our coaching this year has let the players down...

We had some nice playcalls, and terrible execution. Kimble's first series, the post to West. Not sure if he has enough speed to take it to the house, but it's a huge gain. Except Kimble was trying to show off arm strength and threw is about 20 yards too far.

Kimble's 2nd drive, liked the play on 3rd down to Lewis. But again, thrown too high.

His failure wasn't the play calls in every case, it was the selection of QB.

 

[Millhouse]

Those are McDonalds numbers. This offense is not Lesters.

I don't care. the bar was very low. don't be the worst. too bad. you have no standards at all.

 

[Crusty]

It matters less than his offensive numbers which were good. See this thread.

Now, I am confused.
Elmhurst National Rankings on offense
2012 47th
2011 15th 2010 54th
2009 114th
2008 76th

How are these stats impressive? It means there were 50 better DIII OC's doesn't it? (BTW your extrapolation to top 20 doesn't cut it.)

I hope you are right, but you have to go to pretty extreme analysis to make Lester's background look better than it appears. I have a great deal of difficulty thinking he was the best available. He is a buddy of Shafer's and he has faith in him. If Shaf is right, he is a genius - if he is wrong Shafer is gone.

 

[TheCusian]

Now, I am confused. Elmhurst National Rankings on offense 2012 47th 2011 15th 2010 54th 2009 114th 2008 76th How are these stats impressive? It means there were 50 better DIII OC's doesn't it? (BTW your extrapolation to top 20 doesn't cut it.) I hope you are right, but you have to go to pretty extreme analysis to make Lester's background look better than it appears. I have a great deal of difficulty thinking he was the best available. He is a buddy of Shafer's and he has faith in him. If Shaf is right, he is a genius - if he is wrong Shafer is gone.

What doesn't cut it? It's math.

 

[TheCusian]

I don't care. the bar was very low. don't be the worst. too bad. you have no standards at all.

Too early to drink, or just hungover?

 

[javadoc]

Did I say he sucked at his last stop? You inferred it I did not imply it. I am simply saying that the best hire for a P5 program is not a DIII coach with a so-so record. If we can't afford anyone other than that I will simply lower my expectations for the program.

You're not the one choosing. Based on what we offered Holtz in 2009, I have no doubt we can afford more.

 

[Crusty]

What doesn't cut it? It's math.

He averaged 72nd or about the top third. Moreover, he had Scottie Williams, the Gagliardi Trophy for the most valuable player in the entire DIII. He rushed for an average of 170 yards per game a total of 2,046 yards. After he graduated Elmhurst's stats were unchanged for passing but over 1,000 yards less rushing. The offensive stats have much more to do with one terrific player than any great offensive scheme.
Kudos to Lester, who I presume recruited Williams, but there is nothing one can draw from the stats that tell us that Lester is some great DIII coach that will prosper in the P5 without years of seasoning.

Hope you are right, but I think we are in for more learning curve for the next few years.

 

[TheCusian]

He averaged 72nd or about the top third. Moreover, he had Scottie Williams, the Gagliardi Trophy for the most valuable player in the entire DIII. He rushed for an average of 170 yards per game a total of 2,046 yards. After he graduated Elmhurst's stats were unchanged for passing but over 1,000 yards less rushing. The offensive stats have much more to do with one terrific player than any great offensive scheme.
Kudos to Lester, who I presume recruited Williams, but there is nothing one can draw from the stats that tell us that Lester is some great DIII coach that will prosper in the P5 without years of seasoning.

Hope you are right, but I think we are in for more learning curve for the next few years.

Look - I think we'll find out. I just took offense at using w-l records to judge someone's offense.

Having a good running game counts. And 72nd still averages out to top 40 in D1, all things being equal. If we'd had a top 40 offense to go along with our top 40 D - we'd be bowling.

He may or may not be the guy. He'll get an offseason and a season to prove himself.

 

[OttoinGrotto]

Look - I think we'll find out. I just took offense at using w-l records to judge someone's offense.

Having a good running game counts. And 72nd still averages out to top 40 in D1, all things being equal. If we'd had a top 40 offense to go along with our top 40 D - we'd be bowling.

He may or may not be the guy. He'll get an offseason and a season to prove himself.

I think this requires a big assumptive leap.

Bottom line, if he was straight hired as OC with that resume we would have gone bonkers.

 

[Millhouse]

I think this requires a big assumptive leap.

Bottom line, if he was straight hired as OC with that resume we would have gone bonkers.

when we hire the 10,000th best high school coach, he'll dig for the right denominator

our QBs are in the top 40% of all high school quarterbacks too

our 2005 WR were in the top 40% of 40 speeds of all people on earth